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27-03-2015, 11:27 PM | #31 | ||
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27-03-2015, 11:55 PM | #32 | ||
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Easy just stop the cockpit door from being able to be locked from the cabin and have the keypad live and be abled to be opened at all times from the outside via its code. Than any staff member can access it. What if the 2 in the cabin pass out and need oxygen or help and the door is isolated, what you just wait until the plane runs out of fuel and crash. Sounds very strange to me.
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If I was, I would not be hanging out here on putting up with a bunch of rabit nonsensical left wing comments and the pathetically useless ideologue that comes from certain peoples (you're excluded from that group of course).
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It's about stopping another 911 but sadly if one of the tech crew wants to then of course they can still do the wrong thing. Look at the rogue FedEx pilot years ago, it's impossible to prevent all situations. |
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28-03-2015, 11:48 AM | #36 | ||
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There was an episode on air crash investigation where one of the crew...... I can't recall which,
decided he was going to take down the aircraft, he took a claw hammer to work in his travel bag, and when the aircraft was settled and cruising and the crew was relaxed he pulled out the hammer and bashed them from behind...... True story....... from memory one of the crew managed to put up a fight even though his skull was caved in. I don't remember if they managed to subdue him and save the plane or not, So this other bloke was not the first bloke to have evil intent to crash an air liner and probably won't be the last. This is another reason I don't fly. |
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28-03-2015, 12:22 PM | #38 | ||
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Thanks , it was ages ago I saw it but the claw hammer thing stuck in my mind.
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28-03-2015, 12:29 PM | #39 | ||
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I guess we're talking about people with high level of control can turn around and decide to make a political statement with 150+ innocent lives.
Makes you wonder if its worth trying to address these issues by having pilots attend regular counselling/psychology assessments etc so you can identify these issues before they decide to run a plane into mountains. |
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It has been a real possibility for quite some time now that modern planes are capable of takeoff, cruising and landing without any human intervention but it begs the age old question, "Who would fly as a passenger in a plane with no-one at the controls?"
It seems most of us would answer the same way and we would feel uncomfortable if this was the case, but it has also been proven many times over that most air crashes are not due to mechanical error, they are due to pilot error, so it begs another question, "doesn't it make more sense to remove the element of human error? How many of us have flown and not given one bit of thought as to who is flying the plane? Or whether the pilot is suffering some form of mental disease or suicidal or whatever? I, for one wouldn't care less if the plane was on auto-pilot from the moment I boarded, as long as I am safe and we get to our destination without incident. I think it is inevitable as with many others things in life that have become automated. In today's age of technology, if a plane was fully automated, there would be no need for a cockpit, no way to access it or the need for anti terrorist measures such as steel doors or access codes. I have no doubt this could be done relatively easily, with technology controlling the outcome and removing a greater degree of risk from humans. There may be a risk of computer failure but the risk of that would be considerably less than human failure.
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28-03-2015, 01:19 PM | #42 | ||
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Technology has generally made flying safer, but sometimes it makes things worse. When the engine blew up on QF32 (an A380) the computers/technology/safety features made the crew's job to recover a tad harder.
As they say, Airbus designed by morons requiring genius to fly them, Boeing designed my genius so that morons can fly them. |
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28-03-2015, 02:44 PM | #43 | ||
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The only way i can see to lessen the chance of a looney taking a plane down is to have more dudes in the pilot area.
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28-03-2015, 02:49 PM | #44 | ||
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It's become pretty apparent the bloke had psychological issues, and there's indications he was in a messy relationship.
He was also at work against the orders of the doctor (torn up sick note). Quite simply, mental health, and we have no idea if he tore up the sick note because he wanted to kill himself with a plane, or if he thought he was fine and could go to work, which is just as, if not more likely a scenario. Who knows. All we can do is speculate, and is that really doing anything? The more speculation that goes around, the more potential pain for the families involved. This is tragic, I know friends of some of the passengers, but it highlights a few things: - Mental illness isn't easy to see, it isn't easy to deal with and it isn't easy to treat. - Workplaces, especially high risk work places such as this should be doing mandatory FFW checks on at least an annual basis, including psych assessments. -Airlines should be seriously considering changes to the cockpit rules - at the very least there should always be two people in the cockpit at all times OR there needs to be something done with the override code denial (what, I don't know, there's pros and cons for all of the options, and I'm not a risk engineer in the flight industry).
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28-03-2015, 06:45 PM | #46 | ||
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What about this option?
Make planes able to be overridden remotely. Go off course without cause or fail to respond and the controls can be over ridden and they can sort it out later as to the blame. As out there as it sounds this idea would have saved several planes like this one as well as 370 and the Helios jet that crashed. Will need a lot of thinking and hardware modification but what other options are there?
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28-03-2015, 08:25 PM | #48 | ||
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28-03-2015, 10:01 PM | #53 | ||
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The idea of remote control backup sounds appealing on the surface but I doubt it will be considered seriously. It introduces whole new layers of risk by giving a great many more people cockpit access, any of whom also have the potential to go rogue. Not to mention cyber vulnerability. Ground controllers can't see everything that the pilots on board can see. How many pilots would feel happy knowing they could be overridden at any moment? A solution which creates new risks is no solution at all. It's worth remembering that the exact nature of the problem hasn't definitively been identified yet. What precisely caused the pilot to take those actions, what exactly happened on the flight deck of MH 370? Until those questions can be answered, how do we know what to fix, and the best way to fix it? How can this be prevented proactively rather than reactively?
The captain couldn't force his way into the cockpit because the door had been toughened to help prevent another 9/11 style attack. Maybe, this time, something will be implemented which won't help contribute to a future tragedy. Air travel is becoming statistically safer, with tens of millions of uneventful commercial flights every year. Owing to a handful of high profile incidents, is it worth introducing radical and risky "quick fixes"?
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Sight is not needed at the onset. Many planes are equipped with external cameras that passengers can use, no reason why they can't have internal cameras as well. No reason why these can't be viewed remotely either. Hell, many planes are now offering Wifi to passengers. Ground controllers also see planes as a dot on a screen. There is a lot of space up there and setting a course for the plane to fly high and straight while asking surrounding planes to keep clear is easily done. Fighter Jets can the be scrambled from the closest base and they can observe the plane from the outside. A 2 person team in a jet can then take over the flying. One for the jet and 1 for the plane. This happened with the Helios plane I mentioned earlier. Jets were scrambled and they observed a plane full of passed out people and pilots. The plane just crashed to the ground when the fuel ran out. Quote:
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So many accidents have been caused by human error. Look at what has happened even after this crash - policies are procedures are now under review in the hope that something similar doesn't happen again. How many people are saying "If we had did this / implemented that a little earlier then there was a good chance this wouldn't have happened"??? Quote:
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* Loss of plane hardware * Loss of trust / credibility * Insurance payouts to passengers * Cancellations of other passengers from fear * Cancellations of hotel / activity bookings * Recovery of everything * Searching for what isn't recovered * Investigation * Clean up of impact site * Re-building of ground damage * Loss of innocent LIFE etc etc etc etc etc That stuff isn't cheap. The aftermath of the 9/11 attacks are, in many cases 'risky and radical quick fixes'.. When you look at all options available, I can't think of an alternative. Remove the weapon from the equation and reduce the impact of the incident. I'm not having a go at you Chamb0. The real answer is that there is no final answer. As a person who flies quite a bit with a Design degree I just like to 'over think' solutions to problems.
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More interesting reading....
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/...id=mailsignout http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/german...id=mailsignout http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/...id=mailsignout
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