60kph over = Instant jail

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

We all do it, but not all of us are arrogant enough to try and justify it.

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

Chill Danny it's clearly your fault that the signs were not set up properly, with the right distances...

When i was working on the roads we would always allot a minimum of 150% of what was the legal minimum distance between signs (Slowing down 100 to 80 - 60 - 40) if you had have been caught, you would need only to walk into court with evidence of how the signs were set up and you would be free.

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by gs1973

No "Mate", Speeding in inappropriate places like built up areas and Heavy traffic is irresponsible.. Going to jail for being a million miles from anywhere? GET A LIFE.

So do you think you are above the law? They took away the unlimited speed limits in NT, and limited them to 130kph, regardless of what you think... the elected government says YOU ARE NOT TO GO OVER 130kph... what makes you think you can?

I'm not saying I never speed... as a matter of fact, I have copped one of thie biggest speeding fines you can get a few years ago... but my attitude has changed...

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

Sounds to me like he was agreeing with you mate.

[Hunter]

I don't think it'd stop all people from doing stupid things but it would deter most however I don't think there should be jail for the 1st offense.

Money and loss of vehicle does deter some hoons but ultimately there are some hoons who will _never_ learn (these are the kind that should face jail for 2nd or 3rd offenses)

It should be like the following:

60 km/h over limit

First Offense: Instant disqualification from driving for 5 years, $50,000 fine and loss of any and all vehicles owned by the offender.

Second Offense: $100,000 fine and permanent disqualification from driving. If they offended within the previous 5 years and/or are currently disqualified from driving, then jail should be an option.

If caught a 3rd time well they should face jail plus they would also then be up for any offenses relating to driving without a license.

[robbo_yobbo]

I dissagree with allot of the rules and laws around, and thats not just limited to the road.
Throwing people in jail for speeding would be the beginning of the end, and its the worst idea Ive ever heard........

Do you not value your own liberty? Im far more concerened in keeping my right to be allowed to think for myself, than discouraging someone else from going faster than the signpost says.

[GK351]

I can see it happening oneday. Jail time over a weekend is like a slap on the wrist..
Though tougher licence disqualification's would hurt more IMO.

Could you bear having no licence for 5-10-15 years...?
60kp/h over the limit is plain stupid on public roads anyway.
If you get caught you got what you deserved!

Take the speeding on the tracks.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

I dissagree with allot of the rules and laws around, and thats not just limited to the road.
Throwing people in jail for speeding would be the beginning of the end, and its the worst idea Ive ever heard........

Do you not value your own liberty? Im far more concerened in keeping my right to be allowed to think for myself, than discouraging someone else from going faster than the signpost says.

The line has to be drawn somewhere mate - sentencing is not always about punishment; often it is about deterring others and also setting an example.

If the courts don't jail people for serious driving offenses then people will see that as a green light (excuse the pun) to do whatever the hell they want.

On the other hand jail for first offenses does increase the likelyhood of an offender trying to out-run police (the "f- that I'm not going to jail *foot to floor*").

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by gs1973

No "Mate", Speeding in inappropriate places like built up areas and Heavy traffic is irresponsible.. Going to jail for being a million miles from anywhere? GET A LIFE.

Ever seen what happens when a car travelling at high speeds hits a roo? no? funny that. Maybe instead of making ignorant, uneducated comments like the above, you should actually go out and talk to some of the country ambulance officers and SES crew that have to shovel up the results of morons like you.

A million miles from no where is still only a stones throw from somewhere.........................MATE!


Full Noise: Have a good look at your post again, and focus on the part above what you wrote. I never said you were trying to justify it, I'm just commenting on your post, which quoted someone else. Nothing directed at you in particular.

[FPV8U]

Have we thought about... Who the hell is going to pull over and jump in the back of the police car?

"Sure whats 48Hrs in Jail..." :togo:

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

So do you think you are above the law? They took away the unlimited speed limits in NT, and limited them to 130kph, regardless of what you think... the elected government says YOU ARE NOT TO GO OVER 130kph... what makes you think you can?

I'm not saying I never speed... as a matter of fact, I have copped one of thie biggest speeding fines you can get a few years ago... but my attitude has changed...

If you can't see what is happening in this country you are blind. No I do not think I am above the law. We have more and more ridiculous laws being implemented every day. You would break the law every day in some possible way don't kid yourself! So why don't we just limit everyone to 60 km/h that would save the world wouldn't it? And by the way don't think I don't know the effects of idiot's in cars. I have been pulling dead people out of car wrecks for nearly ten years. And just for your interest 99% of these accidents were just plain Poor driving.

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Ever seen what happens when a car travelling at high speeds hits a roo? no? funny that. Maybe instead of making ignorant, uneducated comments like the above, you should actually go out and talk to some of the country ambulance officers and SES crew that have to shovel up the results of morons like you.

A million miles from no where is still only a stones throw from somewhere.........................MATE!


Full Noise: Have a good look at your post again, and focus on the part above what you wrote. I never said you were trying to justify it, I'm just commenting on your post, which quoted someone else. Nothing directed at you in particular.

For your info "Mate" I am in the fire service and we regularly come across people like you.

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by gs1973

If you can't see what is happening in this country you are blind. No I do not think I am above the law. We have more and more ridiculous laws being implemented every day. You would break the law every day in some possible way don't kid yourself! So why don't we just limit everyone to 60 km/h that would save the world wouldn't it? And by the way don't think I don't know the effects of idiot's in cars. I have been pulling dead people out of car wrecks for nearly ten years. And just for your interest 99% of these accidents were just plain Poor driving.

Lol... I know more about fines then most people. I'm in the Air Force, and I've got a whole pile of EXTRA fines for me (eg. Getting fined for not getting a haircut, Getting fined for not showing up to work on time, Getting fined for not going to a doctors appointment)... I'm well aware of how I can get fined every day.... just venting....

We pretty much are limited by a speed... lets say 100kph... and we still get people that exceed that... and some excesivly (sp?)....

If you are saying that 99% of road deaths are from poor driving, are you saying that education and monitoring drivers is the answer... not limitations and restricitions....?

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by Hunter

The line has to be drawn somewhere mate - sentencing is not always about punishment; often it is about deterring others and also setting an example.

If the courts don't jail people for serious driving offenses then people will see that as a green light (excuse the pun) to do whatever the hell they want.

On the other hand jail for first offenses does increase the likelyhood of an offender trying to out-run police (the "f- that I'm not going to jail *foot to floor*").

I can understand there needs to be a line, but cummon, you suggested $50,000 fines for first offences, and taking away all vehicles they own........ seriously, even our government has more brains than the ammount of grey matter used to come up with an idea like that......

This is Australia man, not poland, checkeslovakia, russia, etc..........

If you want your life run by "The Man", then I suggest you move countries, but stop trying to give "The Man" that controls our life any more power than he already has....... The line is already too deep as it is.......

We already have too many trivial and ambiguous laws that do nothing more than raise revenue, and tell us what to do for no other reason than to establish control.

Humans are around for a reason....... some of our brains evolved..... let people use them and think for themselfes,

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by gs1973

For your info "Mate" I am in the fire service and we regularly come across people like you.

I find it hard to believe someone involved in road trauma thinks its ok to go as fast as you like provided you are "a million miles from no where"

Any expert will tell you that speed is a major contributor to the seriousness of a crash.

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

Lol... I know more about fines then most people. I'm in the Air Force, and I've got a whole pile of EXTRA fines for me (eg. Getting fined for not getting a haircut, Getting fined for not showing up to work on time, Getting fined for not going to a doctors appointment)... I'm well aware of how I can get fined every day.... just venting....

We pretty much are limited by a speed... lets say 100kph... and we still get people that exceed that... and some excesivly (sp?)....

If you are saying that 99% of road deaths are from poor driving, are you saying that education on monitoring drivers is the answer... not limitations and restricitions....?

Exactly. Unfortunatly this has been put in the to hard basket by all Governments. If you don't drill it into people's heads that no matter what speed they are traveling at, If you don't drive to the conditions you will probably die. I am serious in saying that the vast majority of accident's we attend are caused by people with very ordinary driving skills with their mind on everything except the road.

[Elks]

Back to the point,

Rant on :

The law allows for jail time for dangerous driving and if you get caught bieng dangerous it is your problem.

There is no reason to inflict automatic jail time ever.

Scenarios;

You we being chased by a bikie or you best friend was in the back bitten by a snake or whatever. You get caught, you go to court & argue dying best friend etc.. and a reasonable judge would be lienient.

You drag race some nuff in nissan turbo through a housing estate past someones kids, you go to court, judge says your in a world of pain sharing a cell with Bubba for a few weeks.

Automatic sentancing is stupid.

The Vic. govt is reaping in millions $$ in fines with huge penalties for stepping out of line with little or no impact road toll. We have speed camera's that operate as guilty until proven innocent. And remember the Vic govt just caught a speed limited bus doing 140+ (i think) that will be challenged.

If that was you in an XR, your gone. How do you prove otherwise?

Travelling at 60 over is hard to justify, and the people who speed like this don't expect to get caught otherwise they wouldn't be speeding at all.

So the penalty is irrelevant, it is a very, very, bad idea.

Rant off:

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by gs1973

For your info "Mate" I am in the fire service and we regularly come across people like you.

For your info MATE, I was a volunteer for SA Ambulance Service in Outback (the sort of place which I assume you are referring to when you say "a million miles from anywhere") SA, and most single car crashes were caused from young, unskilled drivers "giving it a bit" and either losing control or hitting an animal. But of course if you are in the Fire Service, you'd know that and have the facts and statistics. Wouldn't you now...... :

People like me? You mean someone who has the commonsense to contradict the rubbish that you are dribbling?

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I find it hard to believe someone involved in road trauma thinks its ok to go as fast as you like provided you are "a million miles from no where"

Any expert will tell you that speed is a major contributor to the seriousness of a crash.

But you need to crash first..... Speed alone doesnt cause accidents, it just makes the results a little more significant...... focusing on things that directly casue accidents would be a wiser move, but jailing people is pure stupidity

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

stop trying to give "The Man" that controls our life any more power than he already has....... The line is already too deep as it is.......

We already have too many trivial and ambiguous laws that do nothing more than raise revenue, and tell us what to do for no other reason than to establish control.

I do agree with you for petty laws... like how they are trying to raise the ticket fine for jaywalking in Brisbane (IMO),

but it sounds like you are saying that a high punishment for someone doing 60kph over is not justified... is that what you are saying or just saying jail for this crime is not the answer...

[DOC]

lol funniest crap thread in ages.

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I find it hard to believe someone involved in road trauma thinks its ok to go as fast as you like provided you are "a million miles from no where"

Any expert will tell you that speed is a major contributor to the seriousness of a crash.

Well find it hard to beleive all you like.. We all don't beleive the propaganda that is rammed down our throats. Have you ever been out of a city? Read previous posts.

[gs1973]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

For your info MATE, I was a volunteer for SA Ambulance Service in Outback (the sort of place which I assume you are referring to when you say "a million miles from anywhere") SA, and most single car crashes were caused from young, unskilled drivers "giving it a bit" and either losing control or hitting an animal. But of course if you are in the Fire Service, you'd know that and have the facts and statistics. Wouldn't you now...... :

People like me? You mean someone who has the commonsense to contradict the rubbish that you are dribbling?

Ha Ha! You have turned into a middle aged angry man.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

I do agree with you for petty laws... like how they are trying to raise the ticket fine for jaywalking in Brisbane (IMO),

but it sounds like you are saying that a high punishment for someone doing 60kph over is not justified... is that what you are saying or just saying jail for this crime is not the answer...

I am saying that speeding punishments are already out of control as it is, 60kph (while yes dangerouse in certain situations) is not as much as people have been brainwashed to believe (even moreso recently), and that jailng people for speeding is absoluteley outrageous and definiteley not the answer.

raising the fine for jaywalking is a byproduct of people encouraging heavier fines in other areas..... think of it as inflation/deflation of the transport system, when you increase one fine, they raise the bar across the board to keep everything in perspective..... Its initiatives like that of the OP that result in these rediculous laws

[Auslandau]

It wont happen anyway. It doesnt increase the g'ment coffers as the budget is for 1 billion dollars to be raised from 'speeding' motorists for the next financial year in Vic. Putting people in jail costs them money ...... Its all very hypothetical!



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[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

I am saying that speeding punishments are already out of control as it is, 60kph (while yes dangerouse in certain situations) is not as much as people have been brainwashed to believe (even moreso recently), and that jailng people for speeding is absoluteley outrageous and definiteley not the answer.

raising the fine for jaywalking is a byproduct of people encouraging heavier fines in other areas..... think of it as inflation/deflation of the transport system, when you increase one fine, they raise the bar across the board to keep everything in perspective..... Its initiatives like that of the OP that result in these rediculous laws

hmmm... now wheres a smily that can express my face... "hmmm... interesting points"...

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

But you need to crash first..... Speed alone doesnt cause accidents, it just makes the results a little more significant...... focusing on things that directly casue accidents would be a wiser move, but jailing people is pure stupidity

No speed alone doesnt cause accidents, there a many contributing factors,driver experience,weather,road conditions,quality of vehicle etc.

Speed is one of the contributing factors though,if you were driving in the above circumstances how would you drive??? Would you be more likely to slow down to suit the conditions or would you plant your foot???

Afterall, the accident needs to happen first,and according to you speeding in the above conditions wouldnt enhance the likelyhood of an accident.

And where in my post did I say jail was the answer????

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by gs1973

Well find it hard to beleive all you like.. We all don't beleive the propaganda that is rammed down our throats. Have you ever been out of a city? Read previous posts.

Would you rather hit a stobie pole at 50kph or 160kph?????

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

No speed alone doesnt cause accidents, there a many contributing factors,driver experience,weather,road conditions,quality of vehicle etc.

Speed is one of the contributing factors though,if you were driving in the above circumstances how would you drive??? Would you be more likely to slow down to suit the conditions or would you plant your foot???

Afterall, the accident needs to happen first,and according to you speeding in the above conditions wouldnt enhance the likelyhood of an accident.

And where in my post did I say jail was the answer????

Im not sure what your talking about when you say "the above conditions?????"

The pole and whole topic is about mandatory jailing of people for speeding, and I say that the idea is outrageous

[XR8Master]

I think a much better idea would be to introduce a law that all cars must be speed limited to 110km/h and anyone caught tampering with the limiter is executed.

Next people will be asking for capital punishment back, conscription and a law that people must have there identification papers at all times.