when the amercian economy collaspes what happens to ford

[Falc'man]

lol, yeah ignorance is bliss. But as they say in the land of the blind...

Originally Posted by Bent8

Money is just a tool, it has no real value, no precious metal backing...the real power comes from controlling peoples' lives.

Good overall post. The people are gonna wake up, and when they do they will bite.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Enter Bartertown.

Who run bartertown? Master blaster
who run bartertown? Master Blasterrrrrrrrrr

[csw05]

A US debt default is really unthinkable despite the fact it will probably happen. We pay for everything in US Dollars as it’s the world reserve currency. So the US is the only country that can print money to pay debt, not for much longer mind you. The funny thing is people believe returning to the Republicans will solve the problem. It’s a laugh.

[ebxr8240]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

Where has it gone??
http://utopianist.com/2011/06/robert...minutes-video/

http://www.iousathemovie.com/

http://goldsilver.com/news/video-max...rtels-control/

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

Well... how's that for a damning testimony.

[kpcart]

the US debt, once 1 trillion, then 3 trillion, then 10 trillion, then 14 trillion... it doesnt matter its just a number, they will survive.. i think we will have internet discussions of when it will collapse when it is at 85 trillion. i mean 1 trillion is a huge huge huge number, and 14 trillion is 14 times that huge huge huge number, but they will still survive. they arent totally dumb even if they appear that way, and starting more fake wars will keep them afloat for many many more years and oppress many more millions of people. eventually when they have used as much resources of other countries as they can, they will tap into their own resources (the huge oil field under about 1/4 of america), and the debt will fall, and they will still be oppressing other nations people.
Did You Know, people in Baghdad used to pay about 4c a litre for petrol before the American invasion and now pay over 80c a litre? One day all of Iraqs oil will be used up, and then they will be forced to buy American oil at who knows what price, maybe $8 a litre?

[Jim Goose]

The US by law has almost reached its upper limit of debt... this means it will go the way of Greece very soon.

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

lol, yeah ignorance is bliss. But as they say in the land of the blind...

Good overall post. The people are gonna wake up, and when they do they will bite.

How does the saying go, "when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it?"...

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Bent8

The plan is to "nationalize" the car companies, there are many people that now believe America will become a 3rd world nation by end of this year!

Let's call it "Socialism", it's all a sick joke played out on the people by the Bankers who hold no allegiance to any nation. The Federal Reserve is not "Federal" and it has no "reserves"...a group of private European banks own them and they set the rules on how it operates.

Did you know that every US dollar that's printed is actually an IOU to these private banks with the American people picking up the tab and also being the collateral?...

The US will need QE3 by August 2nd 2011 or they will default, my guess is they will get it but it won't be enough to stop hyperinflation which will hit the US economy by Christmas.

Read up on the "Weimar Republic" for a better understanding.

The economies of the world are all designed to collapse so the IMF can take over and introduce a "One-World currency" with the UN providing the military muscle.

Money is just a tool, it has no real value, no precious metal backing...the real power comes from controlling peoples' lives.

The bankers' greatest leverage on controlling the world economy comes from the "derivatives" scam which is said to be worth several quadrillion dollars (yes, QUADRILLION) today!

Want more info?...send me a PM.

Like i say it's all been planed and no one in their right mined could be so stupid not to see it coming. someone has a plan for you all.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Bent8 while agree with what you have said... why do you "call it socialism"?
Has nothing to do with it.
The US has been controlled by the banks for long time and the population has slowly been conforming to "new" ideals for decades.
(Much the same as here)
Remember that medicare is "socialism" and spending more on the military is patriotic...

I agree, their Medicare system is basically a form of Socialism but…..American’s still have their 2nd Amendment right which means it’s going to be very very difficult for Obama to continue on the current path.

With over 44 million on food stamps and their “real” unemployment rate at over 25% (U6), people are slowly waking up.

My belief is that the banks who have engineered this “crisis” have gone too far and the whole system is now out of their control.

How does the saying go…”be careful what you wish for” ?

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

. should America go under maybe they could sell some of their assets

I hear France wants their statue back...

[roberts]

Originally Posted by csw05

A US debt default is really unthinkable despite the fact it will probably happen. We pay for everything in US Dollars as it’s the world reserve currency. So the US is the only country that can print money to pay debt, not for much longer mind you. The funny thing is people believe returning to the Republicans will solve the problem. It’s a laugh.

good point, and look what happened to Libya. They told the US that they wanted oil to be paid for in gold dinar's (an African currency that is backed by GOLD - real money), this didn't sit to well with the US government they were happy paying for oil with freshly printed toilet paper, truth is that whole rebel, no fly zone thing is for those that watch and BELIEVE the news on tv. If Libya started with the dinar then the us dollar would have crashed over night, they have no gold to pay for oil.

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Bent8

I agree, their Medicare system is basically a form of Socialism but…..American’s still have their 2nd Amendment right which means it’s going to be very very difficult for Obama to continue on the current path.

With over 44 million on food stamps and their “real” unemployment rate at over 25% (U6), people are slowly waking up.

My belief is that the banks who have engineered this “crisis” have gone too far and the whole system is now out of their control.

How does the saying go…”be careful what you wish for” ?

"divided and conquer". is what the banks are going for. This is war like we have never seen before the enemy isnt anyone county using conventional weapons like normal war but at he end of the day war has always been about takeover.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by roberts

good point, and look what happened to Libya. They told the US that they wanted oil to be paid for in gold dinar's (an African currency that is backed by GOLD - real money), this didn't sit to well with the US government they were happy paying for oil with freshly printed toilet paper, truth is that whole rebel, no fly zone thing is for those that watch and BELIEVE the news on tv. If Libya started with the dinar then the us dollar would have crashed over night, they have no gold to pay for oil.

History repeated... Before the invasion of Iraq, Saddam was telling his arab neighbours to stop selling in the US dollar and start using the EURO... 12months later invasion....a few years down the track the countries oil fields are divided into 3 areas and GIVEN too American/British oil companies.

Libya was trying to encourage the US to drop its sanctions and come buy its oil as it was suffering under the sanctions imposed (IRAQ also had 10yrs worth of sanctions to soften them up prior to invasion) because of the so-called Libyian involvment of the bombing of the 747 which crashed in Lockerbie, but the US was slow to act and other EUROPEAN nations were showing interest.

Speaking of gold, the USA doesnt have any more gold reserves, fort knox has apparently been empty for over 10yrs.

[GASWAGON]

Thing is... If the U.S goes into Depression... So surely will we.... And if 'The banks' get their new currency happening ... life as we know it at present will be much much different...

[roberts]

[QUOTE=J Speaking of gold, the USA doesnt have any more gold reserves, fort knox has apparently been empty for over 10yrs.[/QUOTE]

i think once those doors are opened the only gold in fort knox will be a gold statue of jp morgan and david rockerfeller holding a sign that reads" ok ok if your reading this we are living on the moon, we fuc-ed you lot good and proper we stole it all a monkey could of stopped us but it was just to easy"
A sound over will start that says" the earth will now self destruct in 10 seconds"
ccccccuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnttttttttttttsssssssss sssss

[Jim Goose]

Here is what is in store.... look at whats happening in Greece,
The government will sell off all its assets.

The vote on detailed measures to implement 28 billion euros ($38 billion) in spending cuts, tax increases and privatisations passed without any of the wild street battles which marred Wednesday's vote on an initial austerity bill.

The government, which halted privatisation when it came to power, must sell off 5 billion euros in assets this year or risk missing the targets under its EU/IMF program, which would cut off funding again.

A FORCED SALE of its assets... full control of a country.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...01/3258116.htm

[csw05]

In regards to the US going into depression, there would be all out Civil war. Americans will not drop their standard of living without a war. Invasion of Canada perhaps? It will be interesting to see how the mob deals with the bankers. Either way it’s not going to be nice; gun ownership is 2to1, 3to1. I wonder if we will see wheel barrows of US dollars being taking into bakery’s to buy bread.

Greece will be the first Domino.

Btw I highly recommend anyone interested in this topic to see the documentary Inside Job. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrBurlJUNk

Some cold hard fun in that

[BHDOGS]

Greeces problem is it borrowed more money then it spent and sent itself broke theres no big mystery involved or world government and america did the same thing now its coming back to bite them theres some really paranoid people on these forums as for oil from libya thats a crock of crap nobody wants its oil apart from the Libyan rebels as has been said Saudi Arabia upped its oil production to match Libya's lost oil production immediately after it stopped libya also doesnt have that much oil compared to the rest of the world.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Greeces problem is it borrowed more money then it spent and sent itself broke theres no big mystery involved or world government and america did the same thing now its coming back to bite them theres some really paranoid people on these forums as for oil from libya thats a crock of crap nobody wants its oil apart from the Libyan rebels as has been said Saudi Arabia upped its oil production to match Libya's lost oil production immediately after it stopped libya also doesnt have that much oil compared to the rest of the world.

Er um... so Libya hasnt got much oil? You have to be kidding right?
No on here mentioned loss of production. its the oil still under the ground that is the prize.

Libya has the largest proven oil reserves in Africa with 42 billion barrels of oil and over 1.3 trillion cubic metres of gas. With only 25% of Libya’s surface territory explored to date there is every chance that actual reserves could see this figure dwarfed in coming years.

As Europe’s single largest oil supplier, the second largest oil producer in Africa and the continent’s fourth largest gas supplier, Libya dominates the petroleum sector in the Southern Mediterranean area and has ambitious plans for the future.

More than 50 international oil companies are present in the market and together with subsidiaries of the Libyan National Oil Corporation (NOC) are contributing to the country’s current production capacity of 2m b/d. NOC plans oilfield investment of some $10bn over the coming three years to increase potential production.

Libya has for over a decade tried to lift sanctions and invite companies to explore and buy its oil...

Libyan Oil Chief Says Production Falls, ‘Could Reach a Halt’
By Ola Galal and Inal Ersan - Mar 20, 2011 8:33 AM GMT+1000

Libya’s oil production fell to less than 400,000 barrels a day after foreign companies pulled out their staff, the chairman of the country’s state-run National Oil Corp., Shokri Ghanem, said in a televised media conference from Tripoli.

Ghanem said the North African country had no intention of breaking commitments with foreign companies and called on them to send their employees back to resume work. Libya may otherwise award new oil and gas concessions directly to companies in countries such as China, India and Brazil in order to raise production, which “could reach a halt,” he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-conflict.html

Yes funny... Libya hasnt got much oil at all..

[ebxr8240]

Make of what you will...

http://www.quinnsquantumtechnologies...uot/id189.html

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Here is what is in store.... look at whats happening in Greece,
The government will sell off all its assets.





A FORCED SALE of its assets... full control of a country.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...01/3258116.htm

calling the white house to order some fri rice, sweet sour pork

[GASWAGON]

If it was'nt for Alex Jones we would have all woken up one day with no power, no food, no jobs, and no life.... ANYONE that does'nt know whats going needs to spend some time on the above links and learn what's really going on..... This is bigger than World War 2 and will create unimaginable KAOS.... The yanks are buying up guns like hotcakes preparing for the biggest bloodbath of all time!

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Greeces problem is it borrowed more money then it spent and sent itself broke theres no big mystery involved or world government and america did the same thing now its coming back to bite them theres some really paranoid people on these forums as for oil from libya thats a crock of crap nobody wants its oil apart from the Libyan rebels as has been said Saudi Arabia upped its oil production to match Libya's lost oil production immediately after it stopped libya also doesnt have that much oil compared to the rest of the world.

The US has a way out of this mess that no one seems to mention. The government has always had the power to produce the nations currency (gold and silver coin and United States Notes) yet they have handed that power over to the Fed (a private company). They can print 15 $1 trillion United States notes and use those to pay off the money owed to the Fed and the banking cartel. Once thats done, they can destroy the Fed and reintroduce a constitutional currency and start again.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by charles_wif_xf

The US has a way out of this mess that no one seems to mention. The government has always had the power to produce the nations currency (gold and silver coin and United States Notes) yet they have handed that power over to the Fed (a private company). They can print 15 $1 trillion United States notes and use those to pay off the money owed to the Fed and the banking cartel. Once thats done, they can destroy the Fed and reintroduce a constitutional currency and start again.

Trouble is they wont...

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Trouble is they wont...

Exactly.

[GASWAGON]

Why won't they? Too many 'on the inside' getting large amounts on the side maybe??? Maybe Obama wants to be part of 'tjhe elite' when all this is over???

Alex Jones's You tube channel is predicting World War 3 (Iraq/Iran/Lybia etc)to start around Sep/Oct.... Obama is basically being forced to do this buy his bosses... The banks... as they want to own ALL the energy in the world.

For the last few years i have contributed to the 'Are house prices going to crash thread" as that WAS a big concern for me... In the last two weeks i have learned much more important things are going on and have been for many many years.... We are now living in a very unbalanced state of affairs that will affect EVERY person on the planet if what i have seen actually happens.

[roberts]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Why won't they? Too many 'on the inside' getting large amounts on the side maybe???

There is only one thing better then money, and that is power.
If you owned a printing press and could get anybody to do anything for you to them they are getting large sums of money to you your just printing some more, how would you use this power, now what if you where a psychopath, This planing has been in the works since Napoleon. Where the true people in power, want control they dont want money, they can print it at anytime they come from very very rich families and dont understand it from your view but if you could understand it from there's than the answers are easy to find.
Religion has a huge part in all this, just because you do or don't believe doesn't mean they dont. Read the last chapter of the bible and it all makes sense.

[roberts]

I think alex jones dribbles alot of sh-t, but he can and it makes him money. World war three in my mind would be china/pakistan/russia/and the arab world agiainst, india/america/uk/and europe australia is a lap dog to the americans and our main source of income comes from china so we are i a pretty bad position. Russia hates japan, but they are in no position to go to war.
In America you cant have a duel citizenship except if you are from Israel. Find the answer to this and it makes sense, and why you are looking you will see how many duel citizens from Israel are in very high ranking position.

[roberts]

on the subject of war
I think if a country wants to go to war then people off the street should be drafted to go, not career soldiers that go to war because thats how they get paid, you have soldiers in American serving tourer after tourer that is there job its never ending and doesnt affect job blow on the street, if you ask a average American how many arabs should be killed if revenge for the septemeber 11 attacks then they will probably say all of them as long as it doesnt affect me, but if you said you have to go and do the killing and you might die doing so and so do your childern, and grandchildren then I think the answer would be different.