Ford and Volkswagen to team up to build next Ranger and Amarok utes

[jpd80]

There's also a Nissan Atlas commercial trucks

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Never knew there was a VW Atlas.
Interestingly that Ford had an Atlas concept just a few years ago, surprised they let VW use the name.

It's as big as a Landcruiser
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...tralia-109741/

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Raptor might end up with a Porsche engine and VW might actually pass an emissions test.

But they don't want Porsche engines in Vietnam, Taiwan, Cambodia and New Caledonia.
Rangers are the no 1 ute in these countries.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It's as big as a Landcruiser
https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...tralia-109741/

But biggest engine it comes with is a 3.6 V6...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

But biggest engine it comes with is a 3.6 V6...

Yes however Atlas can weight upto 700Kg lighter, is roughly 20Kw less than Cruisers petrol V8 and Atlas obviously has considerably less torque.

[Wetaline2]

What engines do you guys think they will put in ford's version and the rebadged VW version?
Will they both get the more powerful VW 200kw 3L V6?
Or because Ford's in charge of making it they'll use the bi-turbo?
Or will they have different motors VW = V6, and Ford +bi-turbo or something else?
(note 5cyl 3.2 is being phased out)

Also do you think they'll run the great 8 speed ZF auto, or stick with fords "busy" 10 speed?

[jpd80]

If I was to have a guess
2.0 EB
3.0 V6 Powerstroke
2.7 EB or 3.0 EB For Raptor and USA.

The 10R is not a busy gearbox, it picks and skips gear shifts depending on load.
Never going back to ZF, the whole idea was to move a big chunk of cost in house.
And on that note, Transit Custom will probably get 8-speed auto option.

Eitherway, scuttlebutt was that VW was blown away with what Ford was planning
with commercials, it was more than they expected and exactly what they wanted...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

If I was to have a guess
2.0 EB
3.0 V6 Powerstroke
2.7 EB or 3.0 EB For Raptor and USA.

The 10R is not a busy gearbox, it picks and skips gear shifts depending on load.
Never going back to ZF, the whole idea was to move a big chunk of cost in house.
And on that note, Transit Custom will probably get 8-speed auto option.

Eitherway, scuttlebutt was that VW was blown away with what Ford was planning
with commercials, it was more than they expected and exactly what they wanted...

I think the my18.5 Custom is the best effort yet and it's only downfall here in Oz is the lack of desire locally/or Ford Europe unhelpfulness to increase the model range and options list...
Eg: Transit Custom Double-cab-in Van (Crewvan)
Kombi Version
Hybrid model undergoing testing as I type
125kW version (for Custom)
Sport Model

Have a look at the Ford UK Transit Custom brochure, its 12 pages long with 10 pages being spec/options lists.

If they can switch to the 8-speed auto as found in the Focus/Edge/Endura and use the rotary dial as the selector, it creates even more dash space and better front cabin middle passenger knee room or general walk through space etc.
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/g...Custom_new.pdf

[jpd80]

The 8-speed fits where the 6-speed goes now, it’s just forward evolution of the JV box.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 8-speed fits where the 6-speed goes now, it’s just forward evolution of the JV box.

Sorry, I meant the actual gear selector and surrounding dash trim vs rotary dial , the latter can create more knee room to the middle passenger position or offer the chance to add more storage.

[Wetaline2]

Originally Posted by jpd80

If I was to have a guess
2.0 EB
3.0 V6 Powerstroke
2.7 EB or 3.0 EB For Raptor and USA.

The 10R is not a busy gearbox, it picks and skips gear shifts depending on load.
Never going back to ZF, the whole idea was to move a big chunk of cost in house.
And on that note, Transit Custom will probably get 8-speed auto option.

Eitherway, scuttlebutt was that VW was blown away with what Ford was planning
with commercials, it was more than they expected and exactly what they wanted...

I'm not very familiar with the 2.0 Ecoboost engine, is this the twin-scroll? Online torque output seems to be max around 380nm? Power figures look ok though. Is this capable of higher torque output for the ranger application?

The US ranger uses the 2.3EB from what I can tell with 200kw and 420nm - Wouldn't this 2.3EB be a better option?
The larger 3L V6 powerstroke, 2.7EB or 3.0EB look even better options (ie. feel like plenty of power/torque rather than just enough) for the ranger.
Guessing tightening emissions may limit what they adopt in our new ranger though.

I'm just wondering how much torque is the 2.0EB capable of?
And how does this engine compare with the current 2.0L biturbo which isn't much of a power/torque upgrade from the 3.2 5cyl?

[EgoFG]

If the F series is going Electric - perhaps electric/hybrid is the plan for the ranger that VW loved. my dad used to say - "Max torque in an electric motor is at stall"

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by jpd80

VW has been selling Atlas SUV in USA for past couple of years but no sign of Pick up

Yes there is, the VW Tanoak concept.

[Bossxr8]

He meant no sign of a production version.

[mick0082]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ford need to tell VW to get stuffed if they think they can get access to the Raptor. I don't see a VW version as likely though. You'd have to think Ford won't allow it.

I don't think the current Ranger Raptor is beyond what VW (or many other manufacturers) are capable of producing themselves. The Raptor is cool and gets good reviews but from a fit and finish perspective it's not worth it's asking price (just my opinion).
Quality is an area that the partnership may improve on. Not to say that the current Amarok is perfection either.

Both companies have acess to bigger 6 cylinder powerplants. After owning a bi-turbo diesel, ZF trans Amarok for three years and then driving a V6 Amarok on a few occasions; I can say with confidence it really reminds me of the age old saying: "there's no substitute for cubes".

As others have eluded, this is a cost efficiency exercise for at least one of the two involved. I'm looking forward to the outcome... should be a good product.

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