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However this all works out, it will make for some very interesting results.
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My old XR6T had chip,injectors,2nd CAI, minor exhaust work and ran 12.2 @115mph. These are only minor mods with a major difference in results. Geea. :voldar02:
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impossible to do.....Every second car has edits or chips... Not cams ect ect..
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I cant think of what else a chip can do to a stock cammed/diff car that isnt really just finetuning the A/f and spark.
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I'll let others work out the turbo side of things as I'm not really up to speed on them and what chips do to them.
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I dont really understand Geea. Its the customers choice of chip... If they get more power from one chip then an edit or vice versa this classing will help nut out the better mods for all to buy. I think the turbo classes are pretty close.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was reading last night and must have been too tired to take it all in properly. Geea.
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The Turbo class is definatly going to make for sum interesting results. I think the rules that have been set so far as a good starting point, guy like yourself who are stand outs in the racing community are the ones whos imput is important. I think but mostly its almost there ![]()
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One question – last time at Heathcote I ran no air cleaner, and larger wheels/tyres on the rear (also removed the sump guard sfa difference, probably wouldn’t do it again). Am I still in factory stock or performance street? The car has no other mods whatsoever (and I don’t really class the above as mods anyway) and runs 91 octane not 98. If you have to retain stock rubber – well, I really don’t want to have to drag with 8ply light truck tyres... I think there should be a bit of latitude as there would be some people who fit a set of mags to their cars without any other mods, and on street rubber there isn't that much advantage, perhaps a size restriction though.
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Okay, here is a few ideas. As Work Horse said, In classes where it says MUST RUN CATS, make it MUST RUN CATS WHERE LEGALLY REQUIRED (IE 1986 and after cars). I also don't like the idea of running X series cars in different classes to E Series / AU / BA. I think there is someway you can run them toghether. Performance Street. All bolt ons allowed. (Agreed) Must stay N/A. (Agreed) Must run 98 octane fuel. (Agreed) Un opened engines. (How about Standard Rebuilt) Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed. (Reword to Include Carburettors) Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) (Agreed) All body parts must stay intact. (Agreed) No removal of exhaust components. (I assume you mean "Dropped Pipes") Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. (Agreed) Must run Cats. (Where Required) No body mods allowed or chassis changes. (Agreed) No Diff Changes (Please clarify if a Ratio Change is included in this) Will post more ideas later. Thanks for everyones input.
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The classes seem pretty good, I would apply them to all efi vehicles, and have an equivalent set of rules for carby vehicles. I would suggest a slight clarification to the tyre rules, and put R-spec type (circuit racing) or drag radials in Pro Street class as these are not “normal” daily driver tyres. I would also suggest that wheels up to an inch wider are allowed in factory stock class (no restriction on diameter as it is not an advantage) as I don’t see there is that much gain on normal street rubber in an otherwise standard vehicle. Also for the turbo section there should be a restriction to the stock turbo and exhaust manifold in Performance Street class.
Here is my attempt at carby vehicle classes. Basically the classes have more freedoms because the older cars are less likely to be raced in full standard spec. Mild Street Cars are to be run to a recognised specification available stock from the factory (caters for conversion to a different spec to what the car was originally built to, eg V8 conversion, but must be stock for that specification) Air cleaner & exhaust from first join back can be changed Must run 14 or 15” wheels, max width 7”, max tyre width 245mm, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) Performance Street Carby & intake free but cannot increase number of venturi’s Exhaust free Cam free (suggestion) Must retain stock cylinder head/s Diff ratio can be changed to 3.5:1 maximum Must run “normal” street tyres, max tyre width 265 (possibly 275 or 295 to allow for coupes?), NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) All body parts must stay intact. No removal of exhaust components. Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. Must run Cats if applicable. No body mods allowed or chassis changes. Pro Street. Same rules as Performance Street but slicks or DOT tyres allowed. No limit. Must retain standard wheel arches. No body mods allowed or chassis changes. Cylinder heads free Carbies – number of venturi’s free Diff Changes free Outlaw Street. All mechanical restrictions removed. No body mods allowed or chassis hanges. All forms of power adders allowed. (Turbo’s S/C NO2). All full-on drag setup cars could be run in the same class, with capacity to weight divisions if necessary, as there isn't likely to be that many. |
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Here's my ideas so earlier models can play with everyone else on a levelish playing field. Changes for X series or pre 1986 in Red
Performance Street. All bolt ons allowed. Must stay N/A. Must run 98 octane fuel. Un opened engines. Engine must be factory fitted or an option. Eg 351 in XD yes 460 in cortina no. Engines may be modified but no roller cams,stroker cranks or aftermarket heads Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed. Any single 4 barrel and after market manifold that fits under a standard bonnet. Shakers ok no high rise manifolds tunnel rams multi carbs etc Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) All body parts must stay intact. No removal of exhaust components. Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. Must run Cats. Where factoy fitted No body mods allowed or chassis changes. No Diff Changes Factory diffs any ratio I would leave the other classes as they are. Rods pursuit would be leading the Performance street class as it stands, so it will take mid 12's to be competitive. I don't believe my suggestions go too far, what do others think? outback_ute you should run the 8 plys and fill BOTH petrol tanks, wear a really big hat over your crash helmet and get one of those canvas water bags for the bullbar, thats closer to stock John :hihi:
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You couldnt get it to work including the older cars in the same catagory... WHats the problem with having them have there own? It gets way to hard to try and blend all the cars. Its just easier to have a few of you guys who run the older mofels to make a couple of classes for the older cars that are fair... If you guys want ill do them for you and then you make your minds up on changes.
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Diff changes changing ratio's should be allowed, to put a ratio change in the same vain as a opened engine would be wrong... as long as you are still using the same factory drive shafts, cv's, axles. there is no strengthing of parts with a ratio change...its a factory part..(TM)
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Cant you guys just say hey lets have our set of rules that makes everyone happy????? You will ge the same rewards.. Its to hard to compare a injected GT to a xe... This isnt chickens bs this is just trying to make it fair.. please...
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This may not even be relevant but what if someone decides to put late model running gear in their early model falcon???
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GTP-330 Just about every class under ANDRA rules caters for more than one kind of vehicle, so it can certianly be done. The LS1's have thier own class, and I believe this is the type of thing you want. There is no reason why you could not run that within a set of rules that we all agree with, and can compete in. Feed back was asked for, but you will not have a bar of anything but your original draft, why ask for others input? I don't need to win I just want to race!
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[edit]The 302's had the 2100 motorcraft carb. Brenden
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302 had the Stromberg WW 2 Barrel (also used on 250 2V Engine I think) 351 2V had the Motorcraft 2100 2 Barrel 351 4V had the Motorcraft 4300 4 Barrel
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Correct and when it came to XB's. 4V didn't mean big valve, big port heads. It just meant 4 venturi (4brl carb/manifold). It's the most common mistake. 4V heads were very rare in XB's due to changes in emission laws. In 1975 the canister was implemented and the 351 OC 2V head was born (made a definate).
Some luxo barge 351's had the 2brl as those weren't made with performance in mind. Brenden
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