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23-12-2013, 01:15 PM | #31 | ||
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Yeah, when it comes to large RWD sedans they're aren't many that are inferior to Falcodores. The 300C comes with more kit than an FPV and a VE HSV. Any Euro RWD sedan are pretty well kitted out at the base level and the high end ones just embarass Falcodores. Chrysler Chargers are a pretty good car as well.
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23-12-2013, 02:25 PM | #33 | ||
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Yep. It will auto-blip when you use the tiptronic gate and also (from what I can gather) when it determines that rev matching is appropriate in sports mode. There seems to be two tiers within sports mode itself. With the shifter just pushed to the left in standard sports mode, it does the usual stuff like downshift more frequently and hold gears a little longer- much like I was used to with the ZF. But once you start to drive it spiritedly, a performance shift message appears on the central display and the box goes into some kind of maximum attack mode, very cool. It keeps the revs very high, winds out all the gears, the shifts themselves feel firmer and it auto-blips the downshifts on its own- I've never experienced an auto get so aggressive, but it is very enjoyable!
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23-12-2013, 02:38 PM | #34 | ||
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I like the sound of that! As a current FG XR6T owner I am more then satisfied with the car power and performance, however the VF is a very attractive proposition because it is a much better overall package. I am hanging out to see what the 2014 Falcon brings before I jump the gun. Also by the way lots of VF SV6 and SS models on the roads in Perth.
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23-12-2013, 02:54 PM | #35 | ||
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i hear back today if i get the all clear to lease a VF SS Wagon in Regal Peacock green, hope it all goes through
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23-12-2013, 04:16 PM | #36 | |||
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23-12-2013, 06:35 PM | #37 | ||
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If I didn't have the FG and I was in the market for a new RWD sedan, my first choice would be a manual SSV sedan. So much fruit in it for such a good price (been quoted $43,500 drive away), it is very hard to look past it and get a GT or similar (for a V8).
Having said that, the potential to make an FG a truly great car for a small outlay is far higher with the FG than it is with the VF. Three and a half gorillas will see me do high 11's and put down approx 340rwkW, whereas to do that with a non HSV VF would be about double that and then some. Straight line mumbo isn't the all and end all, a car has to corner and stop as well. In that aspect, again I feel that the FG takes to such modifications better than a VE-VF (I say this because the suspension is essentially the same between the two iterations and I have had a modded VE SS). The FG makes more use of good suspension components (shocks primarily) than the VE, despite its flawed IRS. Right now, my FG is delivering road manners and handling far better than the VE (mods and all) thanks to the Bilsteins, braided brake lines, DBA4000's and FerodoDS pads. With the sway bar to be fitted come next month, it should improve yet again. But at the end of the day, stock for stock, right now I'd pick an SS. Adrenaline, did you get the SSV or a vanilla SS? |
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23-12-2013, 07:27 PM | #38 | |||
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23-12-2013, 07:45 PM | #39 | ||
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So were the first ZF 6 speeds. Took a while for the engineers to get the software correct.
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23-12-2013, 07:48 PM | #40 | ||
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the first zf i had was amazing, so i wouldn't know they were every average.(saying that i only came in from bf onwards) but they were all fpv not sure it makes a difference though. dont get me wrong i really hope the holdens have sorted it . was the only real fail in my book
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23-12-2013, 08:02 PM | #41 | |||
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23-12-2013, 08:18 PM | #42 | |||
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Plenty of members here with new or near new Falcons too. To say that nobody is buying them is ignorant and false. The decline in Falcodore sales can be largely attributed to fleets moving to small cars in order to portray themselves to be "environmentally responsible" (What a load of crap that is). Falcon and Commodore are still the first choice for many private buyers, although with the fleet sales gone, there are not enough numbers to sustain production. |
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23-12-2013, 08:19 PM | #43 | ||
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I've been seeing them everywhere. Particularly the orange SS' with black wheels and stripes... I gotta say they look pretty damn tough.
I definitely wouldn't turn down owning one (especially after reading adrenalines post!) but I can't stand that the wagon variants have the VE rear. I know that's been the case with falcons and commodores for years but this time the wagon looks out of place |
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23-12-2013, 08:24 PM | #44 | |||
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23-12-2013, 08:31 PM | #45 | ||
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Not necessarily. They are disadvantaged due to the fact that they don't have the global markets and economies of scale that just about every other importer does. Then there is also Australia's fragmented market to consider. Commodore or Falcon could be the top selling car in Australia but the numbers still wouldn't stack up for local production.
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23-12-2013, 08:46 PM | #46 | |||
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23-12-2013, 08:54 PM | #47 | ||||
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Looking at Adrenalines photo, the FG appears to have a much cleaner aerodynamic shape, therefore a lower Cd than the VF, which would also help more at higher speeds. |
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23-12-2013, 09:05 PM | #48 | |||
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23-12-2013, 09:11 PM | #49 | ||
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Rubbish. Cars that people supposedly "want" in Australia are Mazda 3, Toyota Corolla, Hyundai I30 etc which sell roughly 3000-4000 per month. Now if these cars were produced here and only sold locally, do you think the business case for their production would stack up any better? I think not.
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23-12-2013, 09:38 PM | #50 | |||
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23-12-2013, 09:44 PM | #51 | ||
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23-12-2013, 09:59 PM | #53 | |||
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Therefore frontal area does have an affect on the drag force, which opposes thrust (from the driving wheels). I think you are getting mixed up between Cd and drag force. Cd is only a factor, which is dependent on the shape of the vehicle. |
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24-12-2013, 08:27 AM | #54 | ||
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well he is a technical contributor .
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24-12-2013, 08:52 AM | #55 | ||
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I threw on a set of 19's from the SSV model ( I hated the 18's) fitted the sports pedals,( this was a pain as the accelerator pedal is one piece with the TPS), tinted windows and replaced the front / rear scuff plates with SS logo ones. Audio next.
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24-12-2013, 09:09 AM | #56 | ||
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I see quite a few VF SS, and HSV's in canberra. Sort of makes me glad i chose the GT. I very rarely see a GT 335 on the roads in canberra.
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24-12-2013, 09:16 AM | #57 | ||
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I had a listen to the Bose stereo system in the SSV Redline i poked my nose into the other day and came away pretty underwhelmed. Admittedly it was a brand new car so probably hadn't has its various settings optimised, but as stock it wasn't as good as the stock system in my GT-P which I admitt I have spend hours tweaking the settings to my exact preference, (but the Ford premium sound is hardly a benchmark system, anything but), so that's really saying something. The Bose in the SSV Redlien must be the most basic system Bose make, just sayin...
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24-12-2013, 09:27 AM | #58 | ||
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Rodge - glad that you got to have a listen to one. I thought my caprice must have been a dud! My BF Fairlane G8 was heaps better, and even the GT is better.
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24-12-2013, 09:41 AM | #59 | |||
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As a Holden fan whom drifted to the dark side in 2010, I have at heart always been pro Aussie manufacturing and Australian cars. Prior to picking up my G6ET I drove a SV6 Wagon, an SS Sedan and G6ET. The SS is everything you say it is and in Prussian Steel, it is horn. In the end I went with G6ET for the luxo feel and my love of the I6T (plus BossXR8 helped with Friends of Ford), that said the SS really is the complete package and had I wanted the sportier variants, its SS over the XR6T (at the minute). Side Note: If the other half warmed more so to the wagon, it could have been an SS Sportwagon in my drive way. |
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24-12-2013, 09:54 AM | #60 | |||
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Depending on what I do next year, (my GT-P is 3 years old in March), if I keep it I might look at some high spec speakers and Bilstein suspension. |
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