How can FPV help you buy one of their vehicles

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

"Yes sir you GS/GT/F6 will be serviced by our head mechanic and will not be driven by the work experience kid, would you like your car washed and vacumed as part of your service at no charge?"

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That's the service we get from the after market performance shops.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

That's the service we get from the after market performance shops.

Thats right Mark..

Would be nice not to have to travel 2 hours for a service though.

[buggo]

Just to clarify, I am in absolute no position to buy a FPV right now, but will imagine that I am 15 years older and have an array of bills to pay.
I think, as most people have said, a low interest rate for the term of the loan would be the best.
If I had full intention to modify I would be tempted by the reduced price/ reduced warranty option. Get rid of all the nigglies in a year hopefully and have a sneaky 12k on a GT-P for instance.

[Crazy Dazz]

Number one, and it’s not on your list, would be to do something about the knobhead sales people.
It bewilders me, that if a person doesn’t have the right attitude towards customer service or doesn’t know their product, they will get fired from a job selling Big Macs. But Ford/ FPV, trying to sell you a $80,000 investment, will let any twat represent them. When I was shopping for my Cobra, I spoke to dozens of dealers all over the country, and all but a couple were fockwits.
Even if each dealer just had one FPV specialist. Who firstly knew something slightly more than FA about the product, and secondly weren’t complete tossers.

Then yeah, having some decent dedicated finance available. It wouldn’t even have to be substantially cheaper than market, but just somebody who was easy to deal with and understood the product they were financing. Most finance company reps seem to have no idea what FPV is.

[Rodp]

Cheaper finance - not a fan of that sinking feeling when you realise you owe more on the car than the car is worth due to the savage depreciation.

[Matty4]

I voted "Availability on Fleet" simply because I went through this process 18 months ago when it came time to replace my TS Terri. I really wanted an F6X and as I salary sacrifice through my employer I am able to obtain national fleet discounts through my package provider.

At the time of shopping around I requested a quote on an F6X and a TTG. With my novated lease package covering all expenses and the purchase of the vehicle the difference to my fortnightly payments was huge!!!.

I noticed that the vehicle purchase price difference was $28K ($53K vs $81K) between the 2 vehicles. When I rang and enquired about the massive difference (there wasn't even that margin between full RRP on both) I was told that Ford do fleet discounts and FPV do not, simple as that.

Needless to say, I went the TTG and FPV lost a sale.

Matty

[uranium_death]

I voted for extra warranty.

I never buy what I cannot afford, and finance is simply not appealing to me for that reason.

Keep in mind, a house is the only thing I would take out a loan for, simply because the land it is seated on should increase in value.

I refuse to pay interest on an item that decreases in value....

[flappist]

So far cheap finance is a clear winner.

I wonder if anyone in FPV actually read AFF (well for any reason other than a laugh)

We are a small section of the community and tend to be more brand focused but I wonder just how much, if any, research has been done on this.

More FPVs sold mean more profit and possibly lower prices and/or better technology in the future so it really is a win/win scenario.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

I voted for extra warranty.

I never buy what I cannot afford, and finance is simply not appealing to me for that reason.

Keep in mind, a house is the only thing I would take out a loan for, simply because the land it is seated on should increase in value.

I refuse to pay interest on an item that decreases in value....

Spot on above - I'm a changeover buyer and my toys are owned outright therefore I'd like 5yr/130k Warranty.

[GK]

I like these polls, but because my situation in life is sooo far removed from actually being able to purchase an FPV, I haven't voted.

I'm still dreaming of being able to afford an AU S2-3 XR8! LOL!

Okay, I'll try to force myself into the mindset of one who has the money or inclination to get one!

Cheap finance and a 6 year 180,000 warranty!

GK

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by flappist

I wonder if anyone in FPV actually read AFF (well for any reason other than a laugh)

What makes you think they would laugh?

[geckoGT]

I think my responses on this topic will centre greatly on what pushed us away from buying new FPV's.

First off, protect the resale value of our FPV and also bring back some exclusivity in it all by never ever selling to fleets again. Like it or not, many were very upset when FPV started selling to police forces. Large scale depreciation that is partially caused by fleet sales is the home of mainstream Ford, not FPV.

Provide some real service that acknowledges the extra price premium. A good example is when we had the XR8 and the GT, at the same service centre we were charged $100 more for a A service on the GT than the XR, this was without any GT specific parts such as spark plugs. We paid more yet we received the same level of service, not good enough.

The warranty is now getting a bit uncompetitive with 3 yrs/100,000 km, I think 3 yrs and unlimited km's such as we got with the Mini would be a better start.

Also as has been said, some sales staff that really know the product and appreciate that $80k is a lot to spend on a Falcon would be a good start.

Having said all that, my opinion is not really worth much as I am unlikely to buy a new FPV any time soon. In fact I am highly unlikely to buy a new car again for quite a long time, newish secondhand will do and someone else can take the financial assault that follows.

[TRUBLU4DS]

Didn't Ford US do a very low interest rate to get sales moving across their whole range? I wouldn't buy an FG but the low interest rate would surely get sales happening.
A suspension option thats the real deal for the enthusiast, i've driven a BFGT R-Spec & its still way soft compared to my Koni setup.
I still think they need an interior colour option so they dont all look the same on the inside.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

I think my responses on this topic will centre greatly on what pushed us away from buying new FPV's.

First off, protect the resale value of our FPV and also bring back some exclusivity in it all by never ever selling to fleets again. Like it or not, many were very upset when FPV started selling to police forces. Large scale depreciation that is partially caused by fleet sales is the home of mainstream Ford, not FPV.

Provide some real service that acknowledges the extra price premium. A good example is when we had the XR8 and the GT, at the same service centre we were charged $100 more for a A service on the GT than the XR, this was without any GT specific parts such as spark plugs. We paid more yet we received the same level of service, not good enough.

The warranty is now getting a bit uncompetitive with 3 yrs/100,000 km, I think 3 yrs and unlimited km's such as we got with the Mini would be a better start.

Also as has been said, some sales staff that really know the product and appreciate that $80k is a lot to spend on a Falcon would be a good start.

Having said all that, my opinion is not really worth much as I am unlikely to buy a new FPV any time soon. In fact I am highly unlikely to buy a new car again for quite a long time, newish secondhand will do and someone else can take the financial assault that follows.

I know where you can get a really nice datto, never been raced never been crashed, only driven by a little old man to church on Sundays......

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

I know where you can get a really nice datto, never been raced never been crashed, only driven by a little old man to church on Sundays......

Oh yeah, 65,000 km's in 3 years is a lot of trips to church, you must have required some serious repenting

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by HSE2

What makes you think they would laugh?

There is a good reason why this forum is so popular and so well funded.
No one should laugh, stand up and listen is another.

[XWGT]

Guaranteed buy back prices.

Everything else is totally irrelevant if you are offerd $20k trade in for your 3yo car to upgrade to another $80k plus vehicle.

Trade in value is the single biggest factor in the overall cost of ownership model so addressing that would really make it an attractive package.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Guaranteed buy back prices.

Everything else is totally irrelevant if you are offerd $20k trade in for your 3yo car to upgrade to another $80k plus vehicle.

Trade in value is the single biggest factor in the overall cost of ownership model so addressing that would really make it an attractive package.

Agreed, getting offered as low as $21-24k on car that only 3 years earlier cost you $65k is a big hit to take. Hence the reason we are unlikely to buy a new FPV in the near future.

[GT450]

Gecko and XWGT you have both hit the nail on thead about c/over prices.I have done the FPV thing twice but as you say someone else can take the hit the next time ,if there is a next time.
The thing that really annoys me is they way the salesman can offer you $28 k for a car you paid $65k for a few years earlier and yet have no comprehension as to why you feel insulted and why another $40k plus and your 3 year old pampered vehicle with low kms is not regarded by you as a genuine bargain that you just shouldn't refuse.
Personally i'm finally over it and the current asking price of the new model ( it may not and probably wont stay that high when supply exceeds demand as it always seems to do ) a new FPV may never be on my horizon again.
Cheers
GT450

[SM1DY]

Originally Posted by HSE2

What makes you think they would laugh?

It could be the repeated GT-HO speculation that gives them a giggle

[duaned]

A "no lemon" guarantee would be a nice bonus, especially for the asking price FPV want for an average built, rattly aussie made car. It may kickstart the law they have overseas in this regard.

[HSE2]

A loyalty program.

In regional areas greater ability to test drive cars even if that means FPV have to put on a road show with their owner cars.

[Smoke Pursuit]

The thing that makes me laugh is that although Toyota and the likes offer such great finance rates, most of the time there is no room to negotiate on the vehicle itself. So while they give you below industry rates the 6 - 7 kay in discounting if you werent to finance thru them is not available.

So instead of Toyota giving dealers bonus money to sell the cars at a discounted figure they give them better interest rates to move them, therefore making them sometimes more expensive over their life when you look at total cost verse total cost.

Discounting for repeat business interests me, but my dealer already looks after me massively on anything I want including FPV.

They would go broke if they offered guaranteed buy back prices... Go buy a new BMW or Mercedes and see how much better off you are...

FPV GT's hold their value better then most cars for the same value new, especially if you buy them at the right money.. I paid 58 kay for mine 2 years ago and have been offered 45 kay trade in, if i was to sell privately id get 51 - 52 thats only 3 kay a year in depreciation...

[LightningStrike]

Originally Posted by HSE2

A loyalty program.

In regional areas greater ability to test drive cars even if that means FPV have to put on a road show with their owner cars.

I think the road show suggestion is an inspired idea. FPV wears the cost for the two/three/four cars that spend a week at a time in regional dealers so the dealers have product to display and customers can experience in a lower pressure environment than having to drive the dealer pricipal's demo (if there is an FPV in the yard). Helping the smaller dealers out would have to be a good thing.

Mazda, BMW Mercedes and Audi run roadshows (that I know of) - I know it costs but it's not a bad way to get exposure.

(Oh, my vote is torn between a loyalty program with increased guaranteed resale, and a low finance rate. Let's keep it simple & go with finance!)

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

They would go broke if they offered guaranteed buy back prices... Go buy a new BMW or Mercedes and see how much better off you are...

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Audi certainly do this. 3 year lease with guaranteed buy back. Its what inspired a friend of mine to shell out $100k for a Q7.

On the other side he also had guaranteed buy back on his Lexus LX330 that he got out of.

Absolute certainty on your position 36 months from now is a big bonus.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Audi certainly do this. 3 year lease with guaranteed buy back. Its what inspired a friend of mine to shell out $100k for a Q7.

On the other side he also had guaranteed buy back on his Lexus LX330 that he got out of.

Absolute certainty on your position 36 months from now is a big bonus.

That certainty doesnt come for free tho!! most of the time you pay full retail for the vehicle and higher interest, therefore putting you in a simliar position to where you would be if you bought the car at a discounted rate and leased it yourself.

Nothings for free with car manufacturers or dealers. The best ones are the ones who say we will do you a better deal on the car if you finance it through us.. They get paid commission on the finance up to 4% of the price of the car.. So if its $100,000 they get $4,000 from the finance company, if they have to discount it $2,000 to get you to sign the dotted line they have still made $2,000 profit. Then you pay a higher payment because they have blown the interest rate up to get their commission. Same goes for those lovely blondes who sell the paint protection packs.. They discount the car then people get sucked in by them to try and get some profit back into the deal..

All fun and games.

[GTP-814]

finance, especially when funds are tight anyway, but I hate to say it. Toyota & others do it when they cant sell cars & they heavily subsidise the finance to make it look good

[flappist]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

The thing that makes me laugh is that although Toyota and the likes offer such great finance rates, most of the time there is no room to negotiate on the vehicle itself. So while they give you below industry rates the 6 - 7 kay in discounting if you werent to finance thru them is not available.

So instead of Toyota giving dealers bonus money to sell the cars at a discounted figure they give them better interest rates to move them, therefore making them sometimes more expensive over their life when you look at total cost verse total cost.

Discounting for repeat business interests me, but my dealer already looks after me massively on anything I want including FPV.

They would go broke if they offered guaranteed buy back prices... Go buy a new BMW or Mercedes and see how much better off you are...

FPV GT's hold their value better then most cars for the same value new, especially if you buy them at the right money.. I paid 58 kay for mine 2 years ago and have been offered 45 kay trade in, if i was to sell privately id get 51 - 52 thats only 3 kay a year in depreciation...

You can sell a 2 year old GT for $50k++? You are in the wrong business, I know several car dealers who would pay you absolute $squillions in that they can buy 2 year old GTs for hight 30s to low 40s all day long from the auctions....

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by flappist

You can sell a 2 year old GT for $50k++? You are in the wrong business, I know several car dealers who would pay you absolute $squillions in that they can buy 2 year old GTs for hight 30s to low 40s all day long from the auctions....

What do you mean??

a 2 year old FG GT with stripes / leather and less then 7,000 km isnt worth 50 kay?? At worse I would get 45 kay for it.

Go have a look at them on carsales!!

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

That certainty doesnt come for free tho!! most of the time you pay full retail for the vehicle and higher interest, therefore putting you in a simliar position to where you would be if you bought the car at a discounted rate and leased it yourself.

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Well yes and no. He bought a demo with a list price of $127,000 for $98,000 drive away as a sub 1000 klm demo..............

Now I'm not saying hes not a ball breaking bastard from hell, but as per most things, if you shop hard you can acheive great things.

Either way removing the salesman from the trade transaction completely is priceless in my books. No offence to the salesman out there, but you know you will try it on as much as you can with every person trading in a car, its your job and your pay cheque.