Would you TRUST an Autonomous Car?

[cairns27]

Computers can be hacked. "Tomorrow Tonight" did a show on this. Might still be on Iview.

bye

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kmav23

No need to see overseas, we have crazy drivers in Australia and western developed nations.

See youtube for bad drivers or read the news and drunk or speeding drivers.

Its a lottery on the roads, someone is texting or truck driver falls asleep.

We are in the transition stage as modern cars are adding semi Autonomous features... which has improved car safety.

You'll find a huge reason we have so many people using their phones while driving is that speed limits are too low in that people spend less time concentrating on driving and more time looking at phones.

It's a joke driving about this country - Tullamarine Freeway is 6 lanes wide either direction and it's 80km/h - there's a dirt goat track around the corner from where I live with a 100km/h speed limit that links a few towns

Interestingly since they've dropped the limit there are a tonne of people still doing 100+ in the 80 sections but weaving in and out of the lanes trying to get around people, it's had the opposite effect, it's just made people drive more aggressively.

They can't even get phone reception 50km out of Melbourne and people think that tomorrow we're all going to be zipping around in autonomous cars

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by thefargo

I don't even trust the car to change gears for me.
Manual gearbox or nothing

LOL...
What about the 3 million other things the car is already doing for you to ensure it runs optimally. Rip out the ECU and then try drive it 10 metres .....

[kmav23]

Originally Posted by jgmdat

If this is the world you strive for you are indeed a sad human.

Just stating what is going to happen with technology advancement which has been happening since the dawn of time.

Its going to happen with the next 20 years being a slow transition period.

AI, 5G, batteries, CPUs, starlink satellites is going to have a huge impact.

[kmav23]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Drones delivering parcels? Lol yeah, that's a gimmick that will never be used in a large scale.
Can you imagine 10,000 drones buzzing around a big city dropping parcels from the sky.

https://www.geek.com/tech/dhl-kicks-...china-1788847/

DHL Kicks Off Regular Autonomous Drone Deliveries in China

Like most of its competitors, Germany-based international shipping giant DHL is bullish on autonomous drones. The company eagerly shared some big news this week: the start of a regular drone delivery service in China.

DHL partnered with the drone specialists at EHang. EHang, you might recall, is the same company that broke a drone weightlifting record and showed off a 1-seater autonomous flying taxi.

The Falcon drones EHang supplied for this particular project aren’t quite as sensational as those examples. They measure about 3 feet across, weigh 21 pounds and are capable of carrying a maximum load of 12 pounds.

EHang rates the Falcon’s flight time at about 18 minutes with a load and 38 when empty. Maximum flight speed is just over 40MPH.

DHL says that the drones will cut delivery times on their 8-kilometer route from 40 minutes down to just 8. Costs are cut by a whopping 80% and the carbon footprint is slashed, too.

The drones will pick up their cargo at one of the big, yellow “smart cabinets” you see at the top. They’re essentially strategically-placed mini-warehouses. DHL workers load it up with parcels and then the drone takes over.

The drone, which has been docked and waiting patiently for a task, receives its cargo, and then heads out to make the delivery. The Falcon is equipped with GPS and optical sensors to help guide it to its destination. It’s also fitted with eight rotors to ensure it can keep flying even if a few happen to quite while it’s in the middle of a run.

Drops are made at a second smart cabinet. The cargo is unloaded from the drone and the smart cabinet moves it to an empty locker. To make a pickup, a customer scans a code and verifies his or her identity using facial recognition.

Back in the states, Google recently received regulatory approval to start delivery trials using its Wing drones. Residents of Montgomery County, Virginia will be able to try out the service later this year.

[thefargo]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

LOL...
What about the 3 million other things the car is already doing for you to ensure it runs optimally. Rip out the ECU and then try drive it 10 metres .....

1974 ford
what is an ecu?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by thefargo

1974 ford
what is an ecu?

Ha ha fair nuff, but the world has moved on mate....
In reality, with the mix of $$)t drivers on the roads these days, especially those visiting with international licenses etc... id much prefer autonomous vehicles doing the rounds.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Just stating what is going to happen with technology advancement which has been happening since the dawn of time.

Its going to happen with the next 20 years being a slow transition period.

AI, 5G, batteries, CPUs, starlink satellites is going to have a huge impact.

Hahahaha you think technology is the ants pants, want to know something I tried to get a document from the Australian Tax Office who supposes to lead in online PC technology, I asked for them to email it to me, No was the answer we will send it by paper snail mail via Australian Post for security!



What an f'n joke and you believe all the codswallop that is being spruiked to us.

[jpd80]

until there's a proper validation test for the proficiency of a driverless AV,
one that really puts it to the test, then I say that manufacturers shouldn't
be allowed to beta test their products on other unsuspecting road users.

The rush to technology is dangerous when people think that technology has
all the bases covered when in reality, it doesn't. A system can have all the
redundant back up you like but if it can't adequately detect and avoid major
threats and hazards, then it's much worse than a drunk driver claiming to
regularly drive home with no incidents.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Anyways you wont have buy or ride in one, but they will start to be on our roads before 2030 along with the drones delivering our parcels.

Australia is usually behind as we are now getting driverless metros.

Drones delivering parcels? according to Austpost's Ben Franzi ...."On our busiest day we'd quite comfortably be doing over 2 million parcels a day — even up to 3 million a day when you start to get into the Christmas period," Mr Franzi said.

That's not counting private freight companies. I think someone summed up drone delivery with the phrase "tell him he's dreamin' "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...ilers/11156518

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by thefargo

I don't even trust the car to change gears for me.
Manual gearbox or nothing

Yeah I don’t trust modern automatics either. How can they make cars go faster, use less fuel, increase towing capacity AND still offer the ability for a driver to change gears themselves? Obviously there’s some black magic going on that we just can’t trust.

[Poetic Justice]

I recall around 2011 I think the Toyota Prius got the self parking feature. I've seen it in countless Benz's and even some of the Hyundai's I now sell have the technology.

Does anyone use it? ...not that I can tell.

[Citroënbender]

I've had it demonstrated to me by a serial high-spec Benz owner. It was a little bit convoluted and didn't always work as planned (no dingles, but it would miss the cue of a suitable spot as you crawled along with the blinker on). I did admire the neat touch of the overhead graphic showing the car in actual colour - not a generic black or white).

[b0son]

Even if they perfected the tech, I'd still only drive in one that prioritised my life. Who wants to be smashed into oncoming traffic to avoid some idiot doing the wrong thing.

[Burnout]

Driverless Tech as it stands cant 'drive' a vehicle on a country road that is a single strip of bitumen wide. It cant drive a vehicle on a gravel or dirt road, it can't drive a vehicle through a mob of horses/cattle/sheep/roos on a any road, nor deer/moose or native Sth Afician game.
So imagine a country driver travelling to the city on any of these continents in an autonomous vehicle of any type as things stand.
There are miles and kilometers to go before autonomous vehicle take over this country. The latte sippers will travel in their self driving stuff and that is about where it will stop.
Imagine your autonomous vehicle driving through this lot, how are all the sensors now?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Driverless Tech as it stands cant 'drive' a vehicle on a country road that is a single strip of bitumen wide. It cant drive a vehicle on a gravel or dirt road, it can't drive a vehicle through a mob of horses/cattle/sheep/roos on a any road, nor deer/moose or native Sth Afician game.
So imagine a country driver travelling to the city on any of these continents in an autonomous vehicle of any type as things stand.
There are miles and kilometers to go before autonomous vehicle take over this country. The latte sippers will travel in their self driving stuff and that is about where it will stop.
Imagine your autonomous vehicle driving through this lot, how are all the sensors now?
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Exactly, like all technology it will have its limitations.


Cheers

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Imagine your autonomous vehicle driving through this lot, how are all the sensors now?

Maybe with the future advances in robotics and AI, this is the solution...

Make any existing vehicle "autonomous", and eleminate car jacking crimes at the same time.

Okay, okay.... Going back to my corner to watch Terminator 5

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Drones delivering parcels? according to Austpost's Ben Franzi ...."On our busiest day we'd quite comfortably be doing over 2 million parcels a day — even up to 3 million a day when you start to get into the Christmas period," Mr Franzi said.

That's not counting private freight companies. I think someone summed up drone delivery with the phrase "tell him he's dreamin' "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...ilers/11156518

My brother works for AP and delivers to houses and shops in a few residential suburbs in Western Lake Macquarie. He will do 200 packages in an average day. 300+ packages 6 days a week when it's near xmas.

Western Lake Mac is not exactly a dense urban area. Imagine how many drones will be buzzing around Sydney's inner suburbs where there are apartments and units everywhere.

Originally Posted by kmav23

https://www.geek.com/tech/dhl-kicks-...china-1788847/

Did you watch the video? I did. Looks great for delivering smallish things to a location where there is someone waiting to accept the packages, and there are no airports, farms, hospitals nearby.
How the hell will this be used to deliver to residences or commercial businesses?
Will each street have a drone locker? How many packages can be stored at a time?

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Imagine your autonomous vehicle driving through this lot, how are all the sensors now?

Ah, but... When it detects sensor stimulus approaching threshold it deploys an integrated drone as forward scout, this sends real-time data back to a (subscription serviced) control room where a human in another country observes the drone inputs and "drives" your autonomous car along the road.

[Nikked]

Interesting that we are ok for aircraft carrying around 300 people with automation, yet struggle to accept it in an automotive application.

[JasonACT]

But planes don't pass each other within 100cm in the sky. Cars do on the road.

[Citroënbender]

Didn’t take long. Autonomous train flakes out in suburban Sydney, fourth day in actual service.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ne...1-a0cd4f348fd7

Worth noting also: (1.) There was a chappie on board trained to take over driving duties. Why not put him on the controls full time? …and (2.) Even with manual intervention, some aspects were not responding as expected to control inputs.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Interesting that we are ok for aircraft carrying around 300 people with automation, yet struggle to accept it in an automotive application.

I know what your saying here, but believe me, Aviation automation is really just a tool with pretty basic functions and little traffic avoidance capability compared to what we’re looking at for automotive use. It will take years just for the manufacturers to agree on a collision avoidance protocol and communication , otherwise picture a pool full of creepy crawlies all aimlessly wandering about with no communication. As for drones delivering parcels that would be funny to watch. Without some kind of collision avoidance tech and planning it would get noisy fast. Aviation can’t barely handle air traffic at major airports , how exactly are thousands of drones supposed to miss each other?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Interesting that we are ok for aircraft carrying around 300 people with automation, yet struggle to accept it in an automotive application.

Planes are not automated. They just have a fancy version of cruise control which most car drivers are comfortable with too.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Interesting that we are ok for aircraft carrying around 300 people with automation, yet struggle to accept it in an automotive application.

There aren't too many things to collide with in the sky, nor are there things like corners. Planes pretty much fly 99% of their journey going in a straight line. Pilots are there to override any emergency as well.

[SilverMustang]

The remote for my Foxtel is always playing up.

Remotes have been around since the 50's and they still cant get them right.

Trust an Autonomous car!!!!!!!! no way

[LG17]

I think I would have to be blind rotten to even consider sitting in one.
You know how you make those poor decisions when you're drunk.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There aren't too many things to collide with in the sky.

Unless you're in the USA or Euorpe

(and this is not their busy time of day )

[kmav23]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Didn’t take long. Autonomous train flakes out in suburban Sydney, fourth day in actual service.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ne...1-a0cd4f348fd7

Worth noting also: (1.) There was a chappie on board trained to take over driving duties. Why not put him on the controls full time? …and (2.) Even with manual intervention, some aspects were not responding as expected to control inputs.

Driverless trains have been around for a long time overseas. The world is moving towards driverless trains.

[Citroënbender]

The “world” seems to be moving towards legalising cannabis.

When machines take all our jobs and we live on the NewSpeak equivalent of the dole with home-delivered everything, we can all get stoned off our nuts and use AR to avoid the actual need for much travel - making autonomous cars largely unemployed.

They will then stage an autonomous protest in the streets, rolling themselves over and setting themselves on fire.