The cost of toll roads on the economy

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well, maybe your fault, I was in primary school when those decisions happened in the 1990s

Not our fault you had to repeat every year 3 times

[Crazy Dazz]

I don't understand the concept of, or need for, Toll Roads.

Perth people would literally murder any politician who dared suggest it.

Seems to be a stupid idea they got away with, and nobody has had the sense to stop it.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

I don't understand the concept of, or need for, Toll Roads.

Perth people would literally murder any politician who dared suggest it.

Seems to be a stupid idea they got away with, and nobody has had the sense to stop it.

Yep, spot on. She'll be right.

Think the last toll I paid was on the Harbour bridge when the booths were still up.
No tolls in the country and use public transport everywhere in the cities.

So far spent $68 in the last 2 months using Opal. Don't know how many kms we have walked in that time.

[kevino]

A freeway trip with a truck is a lot smoother easier and gentle on mechanical parts as opposed to using local roads with traffic lights every 400 metres and associated increased fuel use
Also more time on local roads is unproductive and also if a company driver increases wage costs

So use local roads
1 more mechanical wear and tear
2 less productive trip times increased , trips per days decreased , decreased sales for day
3 increased fuel cost stopping and starting
4 increased wage cost as a percentage of sales
No brainer
Toll roads win
Foxy uses toll roads in Qld never been a directive to switch to local roads

[Citroënbender]

I’m seeing a lot more trucks with (apparent) excuses to forego the NorthConnex link; they’re traversing the former surface route.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m seeing a lot more trucks with (apparent) excuses to forego the NorthConnex link; they’re traversing the former surface route.

Using Pennant Hills Rd?

[Citroënbender]

Yes, to the previous start of the M1.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kevino

A freeway trip with a truck is a lot smoother easier and gentle on mechanical parts as opposed to using local roads with traffic lights every 400 metres and associated increased fuel use
Also more time on local roads is unproductive and also if a company driver increases wage costs

So use local roads
1 more mechanical wear and tear
2 less productive trip times increased , trips per days decreased , decreased sales for day
3 increased fuel cost stopping and starting
4 increased wage cost as a percentage of sales
No brainer
Toll roads win
Foxy uses toll roads in Qld never been a directive to switch to local roads

I remember Firefly Express doing the goofy on toll road off toll road along the old M4 being given the directive to avoid the tolls.

I'm sure they don't do that now but agree why would you drive down rough as gut back suburban roads in a heavy to avoid tolls based on wear and tear, mad.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kevino

Using Pennant Hills Rd?

The Cumberland Hwy isn't much better.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yep, spot on. She'll be right.

Think the last toll I paid was on the Harbour bridge when the booths were still up.
No tolls in the country and use public transport everywhere in the cities.

So far spent $68 in the last 2 months using Opal. Don't know how many kms we have walked in that time.

Might have been $80 if you had to pay for that trip to Clarendon
$68 for two months cheap as!

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kevino

Might have been $80 if you had to pay for that trip to Clarendon
$68 for two months cheap as!

I'll have to see how much it will cost to go to The Entrance for 'Chromefest" on Saturday. Looking forward to a ride on the "Red Bus Service" (well $ydney buses)

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by kevino

A freeway trip with a truck is a lot smoother easier and gentle on mechanical parts as opposed to using local roads with traffic lights every 400 metres and associated increased fuel use
Also more time on local roads is unproductive and also if a company driver increases wage costs

No brainer
Toll roads win

ROFLMFAO

Sorry mate, you've been conned.
There's a whole world out there, full of freeways, highways, etc, that don't charge tolls

[kevino]

On Toll roads yes in Bris Syd Melb yes we have been conned.

But trucks are better on freeways be they free or toll roads rather than local roads

Wa has years and years of mining royalties to have gold plated infrastructure - good on you

[xisled]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Blessed to an extent in Melb. Western Suburbs!
Though the trade off for minimal toll roads is the occasional Sudo home invasion or the odd machete attack whilst shopping?

I guess you haven't seen the new Toll Gantry setup a few months ago on the Westgate Freeway. It on both sides of the freeway near the Williamstown rd exit/entry.

Not sure how it is going to work who will be tolled.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Itsme

The way Daniel Andrews/Jacinta Allan government have spent and wasted money in the last ten years gives credit to your solution; only government atm that seems to have unlimited funds to spend compared to others.

Kennet Government contracted first toll way City Link and Bracks Government contracted 2nd East Link.

I still don't understand how any government signed such contracts, particularly with Transurban, and then re-did extensions that literally make them one of the most profitable businesses (% wise) in the world.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Itsme

The way Daniel Andrews/Jacinta Allan government have spent and wasted money in the last ten years gives credit to your solution; only government atm that seems to have unlimited funds to spend compared to others.

too funny though Vic Gov doesn't have the resource since Dans tenure.
I agree what b0son quoted though, IF only well kept most of our service's gov run instead of selling out to private business.

By the way I had a giggle hearing off Costello's presentation yesterday on the blind freddy voters in Vic.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...2894b7024b32ff