XY GT Phase 3 flat out across the Nullabor

[GRNKPR]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think its pretty safe to say one of those guys makes a healthy living from them...

and has done for many a year ,and was a foundation member of one of the car clubs im in

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

Originally Posted by nb_351

yeah but once they start replacing panels and subframes etc its not essentially the same car...
other people might not be able to tell but deep down youll know...
i dont think i could sleep knowing i wrote off a ho

Ohhh, ok , so all the HO's that were crashed while racing at tracks all round Aust during the early 70's, that were repaired and now sit in museums and collecters garages arent realy HO's anymore !

The fact is Cars can be put back together , BETTER by hand sometimes than they were when built at the factory ! And with the parts available these days By specialised Resto places (Like the place run by David Fluke ) they are able to be rebuilt ! How many HO's have they rescued from the Car crusher at wreckers all round the place , that are now sitting in collections and ARE HO's ? I bet you could ask em and they woldnt tell you because NO ONE could pick em !

[GRNKPR]

Pandoras box is now open

[xwgasaxe]

That story was awe inspiring, Big respect to those fellows.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by GRNKPR

and has done for many a year ,and was a foundation member of one of the car clubs im in

And geez he can drink!!!

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Ringo

GT stand for Grand Turismo doesn't it?

GT stands for Grand Tourer. This isn't Italy.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by irish2

GT stands for Grand Tourer. This isn't Italy.

Or a "ricer" video game!!

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

For a restored HO i can kind of agree, although it could easily cost closer to 50K to fix a "big hit", not to mention the significant loss in value as a result and given the cost of resto's these days the upkeep and maintanance costs and effort is an issue, that said however take the car im selling at the moment for example, its unrestored, totally day one original, in absolutely immaculate condition, now we drive it probably once a month, (time and weather permitting), if this car gets damaged it will NEVER be "original unrestored" again... you can't put a price on cars in this condition, when they're all restored or repaired that's it.... none left in their original condition.

To some collectors but not all. And the very rich collectors that pay top dollar do like the cars to be pretty...

[henry 351]

The plumber with the red Ph 3 has two others.... the metallic blue one FPV used in an ad a few years back (prize winning resto car), as well as a metallic green one (daily driver/unrestored stonechipped to buggery car)

Ah, decisions, decisions....

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by henry 351

The plumber with the red Ph 3 has two others.... the metallic blue one FPV used in an ad a few years back (prize winning resto car), as well as a metallic green one (daily driver/unrestored stonechipped to buggery car)

Ah, decisions, decisions....

I think he's got a few more than that too....

[42 PHASE3]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

For a restored HO i can kind of agree, although it could easily cost closer to 50K to fix a "big hit", not to mention the significant loss in value as a result and given the cost of resto's these days the upkeep and maintanance costs and effort is an issue, that said however take the car im selling at the moment for example, its unrestored, totally day one original, in absolutely immaculate condition, now we drive it probably once a month, (time and weather permitting), if this car gets damaged it will NEVER be "original unrestored" again... you can't put a price on cars in this condition, when they're all restored or repaired that's it.... none left in their original condition.

yep u can restore or body swap a car 100 times or more, they are only original unrestored once, these cars are at the top end of the hoey market


rod

[Racer]

Of course you are assumining they were no hit original non-restored to begin with.

I dont think that accounts for very many of them.

[XCSEDAN]

see now thats how these cars should be driven. like they were ment to!!!

[nb_351]

Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

Ohhh, ok , so all the HO's that were crashed while racing at tracks all round Aust during the early 70's, that were repaired and now sit in museums and collecters garages arent realy HO's anymore !

The fact is Cars can be put back together , BETTER by hand sometimes than they were when built at the factory ! And with the parts available these days By specialised Resto places (Like the place run by David Fluke ) they are able to be rebuilt ! How many HO's have they rescued from the Car crusher at wreckers all round the place , that are now sitting in collections and ARE HO's ? I bet you could ask em and they woldnt tell you because NO ONE could pick em !

of course its still a ho, but its not ESSENTIALLY the same car, as it has different panels to what it came out of the factory with... im ont saying this makes it any less of a car, just that if people go on true originality then they cant say it is...
and yeah, a lot of the repro/aftermarket stuff is better than OEM equipment in certain areas, as they can learn from certain weaknesses, or improve in certain areas...
only the person who either did the work or paid for it would know the whole truth about each car...
you never kow, something might have been swapped over at the dealership or anything, could have fallen off delivery truck, its happened i saw it last year with a 350z...
some people just may not pay 3/4 of a million dollars for a car thats been in a prang and repaired... if i had the choice id buy a totally original car, but right now id buy a ho in any condition...
god knows my xe has probably been repaired more than once, a lot of cars have...

[nb_351]

i think its only a minority of cars out there that are totally "original", let alone a piece of history like these...
but whos to know, with some of the shonky dealings that occur under dealership roofs...

[42 PHASE3]

Originally Posted by nb_351

i think its only a minority of cars out there that are totally "original", let alone a piece of history like these...
but whos to know, with some of the shonky dealings that occur under dealership roofs...

true, theres only about a dozen or so good genuine original unrestored ph3 hoeys left..the ones worth the big bucks. the rest are a mixture of high end nice restored cars that probably shouldnt have been restored in the first place or were restored with a no expense spared approach often with other good cars cannibolised along the way to obtain the right parts..also worth big bucks and believe u me 200k spent on this type of resto is nothing at all. then we have the pretend unrestored original cars.. u know the ones, lift the bonnet and the motor still has lots of shiny paint on the cast iron surfaces, wont go on but they are easy to pick if u know how these cars were put together..not worth such big bucks. then we have what i call repo resto cars, sometimes restored by one of the repo resto shops or by the owner with help..these cars are the least original and have usually lost a lot there orig date code parts for what ever reason..worth less again. then we have the body swap cars, wont go there except to say.. worth the least. thats the market in a nut shell, not all hoeys are worth a 750k ask, not many in fact.


rod

[42 PHASE3]

Originally Posted by nb_351

of course its still a ho, but its not ESSENTIALLY the same car, as it has different panels to what it came out of the factory with... im ont saying this makes it any less of a car, just that if people go on true originality then they cant say it is...
and yeah, a lot of the repro/aftermarket stuff is better than OEM equipment in certain areas, as they can learn from certain weaknesses, or improve in certain areas...
only the person who either did the work or paid for it would know the whole truth about each car...
you never kow, something might have been swapped over at the dealership or anything, could have fallen off delivery truck, its happened i saw it last year with a 350z...
some people just may not pay 3/4 of a million dollars for a car thats been in a prang and repaired... if i had the choice id buy a totally original car, but right now id buy a ho in any condition...
god knows my xe has probably been repaired more than once, a lot of cars have...

exactly what repo parts are better than oem ford?


rod

[4Vman]

Without exception id say OEM stuff is better than repro, in fact the OEM is the CORRECT stuff, regardless of the quality (better or worse) of the repro.

[nb_351]

ive found things like brake pads etc to be improved, but you pay more so you cant win...
but you wouldnt buy something like an aftermarket bumper over oem...

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by 42 PHASE3

exactly what repo parts are better than oem ford?


rod

Tyres!

[42 PHASE3]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

Tyres!

lol alright, but good tyres gives the old hoeys an unfair advantage over modern muscle cars. that gets me thinking why do the old jiggers seem to run harder quarter times than they ever did when new, ok i know motor journos couldnt drive a greasey stick up a cat but what else? better tyres would be one reason and funnily enough running higher pressures on good street tyres alone can tip a hoey into the 13s, the tracks are alot better these days too, stickier prep and nice of em to run down hill also, but what else? im talking cars that would pass scuitinneering if the motors were pulled down running in a pure stock drag racing class.


rod