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11-07-2011, 01:40 PM | #31 | |||
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11-07-2011, 02:12 PM | #34 | ||
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I think the carbon tax will do nothing but harm Australia. We will be less competitive in the world market, families will bear the brunt of it because the 500 big bad polluters will just pass the cost on and we are the end of the financial line. We are the suckers that will pay not big business, in reality we are giving them an excuse to profit by this. They will jack prices up by more than the tax and when we complain they will use the carbon tax as their excuse
If you want this discussion to continue keep politics out of it, statements like Tony did this , Julia did that and Bob did something else will see this thread closed at the speed of light. I know I'm wasting my time typing this as there are some on here that find the forum T&C way to hard to comprehend, prove me wrong, show you are intelligent enough to play by the rules
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11-07-2011, 02:28 PM | #35 | ||||
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11-07-2011, 02:39 PM | #36 | ||
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as if the government cares if anything go's up thats what the gst is for the dearer things get the more they get.
RONALD McDONALD FOR PM CANT DO ANY WORSE THAN THIS RED HEADED CLOWN, EVEN McDONALDS WOULDNT GIVE HER A JOB COS THEY HAVE A RED HEADED CLOWN AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM. But seriously this government needs more money so they can send more oversea's, no one likes her even the tossers that voted for her (hope your all happy)so she needs to make sure she can get a job oversea's when she is banished |
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11-07-2011, 03:55 PM | #37 | ||
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Can I ask again?...
Does ANYONE know WHO is on this mythical "500 list"?? Is Ford or GMH on it?.. Toyota? (if they are, watch car prices sky rocket) Is BHP? Coles? Bunnings? McDonalds? Is the Commercial bloody hotel or the corner milkbar on the list? Just WHO IS on the list? Or like every bit of this underhanded, deceitful, destructive carbon tax crap are we to be kept in the dark on the list also?
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11-07-2011, 04:13 PM | #38 | |||
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11-07-2011, 04:14 PM | #39 | |||
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I am surprised that the government can claim prices will only increase small amounts for certain items when in reality they have no control over what companies do. I also doubt they have factored all costs in. Lets take 2 litres of milk, granted we all are aware that the cost of milking the cows will increase (cost of running any equipment involved in the milking process will increase as power costs rise) But what about the manufacturer that makes the plastic bottles, they will increase in cost for the same reason, same with the labels (if they are manufactured seperately) Add to that Coles willl increase its prices as the costs to run the fridges that keep the milk cool will also increase. Now depending on what they do with diesel, you can add additional costs for the farmer, additional transport costs of raw product to the manufacturing facility, additional transport costs from the manufacturing facility to the retail outlet and the costs will continue to rise as the cost per tonne increases.
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11-07-2011, 04:18 PM | #41 | ||
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This isn't THE list, but shows the companies that are required to report back to them on their emissions...
http://m.zdnet.com.au/tech-companies...-339318287.htm http://www.climatechange.gov.au/gove...ister-pdf.ashx Ford and Holden are both on that list...whether or not they'll be on the final list, is a different story... There is one little tid-bit of information...10% is going O/S...to the UN...
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11-07-2011, 04:28 PM | #42 | ||
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Toyota is on the list too but the ironic thing is the universities who started all this are all on it too
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11-07-2011, 04:37 PM | #43 | |||
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/127965/h...of-carbon-tax/
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11-07-2011, 04:38 PM | #44 | |||
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Car-makers ‘to wear carbon tax cost’
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11-07-2011, 04:51 PM | #45 | ||
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forget carbon dioxide ,and global warming for a second . alternative power will not be charged this tax . aside from any taxes we will pay -which i do not agree with . as technology develops australia may play a leading role in alternative energy . if we are to lose industry , the only way back is to go alternate, which our children and grand children will be forced to grasp , otherwise they will be unemployed , now when the world starts to suffer from pollution ( think lung disease) not global warming ,which will be heaviest hit hard where the polluters are , will our offspring be glad we have cleaner air than other countries , and then play a role in advancement with alternative energy and good health .
i'm not saying i agree with the changes and tax , i'm just trying very hard to look at it from a perspective that they are trying to sell it , assuming they are good and not evil . trying to look at it from a benifit perspective . i know the big country polluters are doing nothing to alternately develop , but what if they were , would that be a good thing for the world ? in terms of climate change a say no it will make no difference , but in terms of the air we breathe i say , just maybe , but we cannot control are steer other countries , only our own and perhaps show the world there may be a different way ,when ill health starts to envelope them . what do you guys think ??? aside from costs involved . |
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11-07-2011, 05:01 PM | #46 | |||
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pollution that causes health issues has been dramatically reduced over the years think about the standards that apply to cars now. This is about co2 which is a natural gas that is processed by growing plants to produce oxygen. This "pollution" is no such thing it is part of a natural cycle.
all that will happen is we will pay more now, then in 3 years when we get an ETS the banks and speculators will make more billions off us and who will pay? we will thats who Quote:
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11-07-2011, 05:16 PM | #47 | ||
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So the marginal rate is going to snip an extra 4% off the interest from my savings in term deposit? I thought the Henry review said we should encourage saving. Last edited by WMD351; 11-07-2011 at 05:23 PM. |
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11-07-2011, 05:42 PM | #48 | ||
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Australian share-market closed down 1.5%... due to massive falls in companies exposed to the Carbon Tax...
BlueScope Steel ended the day down 6.7 per cent, Qantas closed down 3.25 per cent. Don't worry about ten bucks a week, kiss your super goodbye... An interesting read for anyone who's interested...I'm not quoting it on here...it does establish the top twenty 'polluters'... Co2 Tax There's already no confidence pages going up, no to carbon tax...I'm not sure there's any understanding of what she's actually doing to the state of the country...
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So the billions lost over the two months is nothing (actually the share market has performed really poorly for a long time now)? But this means the sky is falling?
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11-07-2011, 05:52 PM | #50 | ||
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Did I read somewhere that their taking another look at the Henry tax review by the end of the year? This tax is just the beginning people.
Death taxes anyone? A lot of other countries have it and it was one of the recommendations in the Henry review. Do you have an inheritance coming to you? I'd say by the time Labour is booted out you will be losing half of it. |
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11-07-2011, 05:55 PM | #51 | |||
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Most people think short term...I don't really care for short term, I'm looking at the big picture and seeing Australian businesses (and citizens) struggle under this 'fantastic plan' that's being sold... The cost isn't going to be 10 per week per household, not when you take into account the whole situation...and I'm not being a scare monger, I'm being a realist.
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11-07-2011, 06:17 PM | #52 | ||
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This is going to cause a bit of issue at my work, we must use a LOT of power with the size of our workshop, all the lights and power tools being used.
We're struggling as it is to keep afloat due to other reasons, wonder if this will be the last straw that will put 30 people out of work. |
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11-07-2011, 06:22 PM | #53 | ||
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there is a govt site (take results with a grain of salt) www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au you can plug in your details and it will tell you how hard you will be ****** I will be between $600-$900 per year worse off straight off the bat and thats if no other prices go up.
I just cant see where any support is comming from listening to TV/radio/internet etc. |
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11-07-2011, 06:28 PM | #54 | |||
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11-07-2011, 07:03 PM | #55 | ||||
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I have not yet met ONE person who is in agreeance with the Carbon Tax.
All I hear and read are negative "waste of time", "its garbage" etc. SO WHY THE HELL ARE THEY FORCING THIS CRAP UPON US? When climate change is all a bunch of garbage anyway!!! Is there a way the public can stand up and force this stupid cow to the ballot before it all goes too far?
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Hi everyone!!! I just updated the new tax scales for quick books due to the imposed flood levy. My part time staff who earn less than $450.00 per week are now paying about $3.00 less per week. I just dont get the mentality of it all. Give with one hand and take with two!!!!!
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It's the very core of what Copenhagan was about. (World Order anyone?) 10% (to the UN) for NOW eh?... What ELSE has covertly been agreed to by our ever trustful, honest, transparent government? We're all (including me) thinking of our pockets,, Will we be worse off etc? BUT IS there a much bigger agenda here?
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