Commodore export deal will take it to the home of NASCAR

[Chilliman]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Interesting how Drive has pulled their story/article from their site about it.

I noted that too. I also saw an announcement on the Today show this morning but nothing in any of the mid-morning/lunch time news updates (working from home today). Very strange, usually anything Holden is plastered all over the place - the top trending holden story now seems to be the Volt and Shorten wanting Holden to build it in Australia

[FPV GTHO]

Unless they announce it US time

[Chopped]

Bit of the usual negativity in this thread

If Ford Aus announced the same deal with the FG, I'm sure the response would be far different.

http://www.news.com.au/business/hold...-1226358142172

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/11/19/..._420-420x0.jpg

The Commodore should have been exported as a Chev all along.
(does this mean the "chev" badge will now be valid )

Good on Holden for trying to sell their product overseas. If it keeps jobs here for a while longer than kudos to them.

Let's remember that of the 40,000 monaros built, Australia kept 12,000. The rest went overseas, mainly to the US. Without this, would the Monaro have even existed ? (People say it flopped in America BUT it was a win for local Holden lovers)

I wish there was a 2 door Hardtop FG or even BF but....

How is the Taurus coming along......

If GM is prepared to try with the Commodore why can't Ford USA try the same with the FG ?! (considering it's a better car than the VE)

[Auslandau]

Weird all this came out as I followed a C'dore down East Link yesterday ...... had the standard Chev front and back badge but all other badges said Chevrolet International. Didn't notice though if it was left or right drive as the windows were actually very dark tint. Either someone had done that little but extra on the badge front or was a test mule of sorts.

[Nikked]

Nothing yet...

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by Hally

Moby,

You say that the GTO was a sales dud, but from memory about 40,000 were sold in the US, which I would say is a considerable amount more than were sold in Australia.

So whilst the numbers are big in the grand scheme of things, I think the general concensus is that if they can sell even say a 1000 a month in the US, it makes a good business case to keep local Aussie manufacturing going, which regardless of brand loyalty, is a good thing for Australian workers and their families.

In the US, 40,000 sales of one particular model in a year isn't that good. I can't even remember how many years the GTOnaro was sold here, but I think it was three.

[Dr Smith]

I read somewhere that Holden expects sales of $100Million. Wouldn't that equate to less than 4000 cars?

[Homer]

Official

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/conf...-s-139691.html

[Buntz]

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/17/h...th-america-o/#

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Bit of the usual negativity in this thread

If Ford Aus announced the same deal with the FG, I'm sure the response would be far different.

http://www.news.com.au/business/hold...-1226358142172

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/11/19/..._420-420x0.jpg

The Commodore should have been exported as a Chev all along.
(does this mean the "chev" badge will now be valid )

Good on Holden for trying to sell their product overseas. If it keeps jobs here for a while longer than kudos to them.

The real reason that GTO was successful was that it was sold when the Aussie dollar was around 70 cents US,
if our dollar begins to slide back down around 80 to 85 cents, the equation comes back to Holden and
that could be well on the cards as commodity prices may begin slipping on the back of Jac Nassers comments
about Australian mining becoming more expensive, maybe China, Japan and Korea are looking at alternate suppliers?

Let's remember that of the 40,000 monaros built, Australia kept 12,000. The rest went overseas, mainly to the US. Without this, would the Monaro have even existed ? (People say it flopped in America BUT it was a win for local Holden lovers)

I wish there was a 2 door Hardtop FG or even BF but....

How is the Taurus coming along......

If GM is prepared to try with the Commodore why can't Ford USA try the same with the FG ?! (considering it's a better car than the VE)

If GM was truly serious, they would be building Camaro, Commodore and Caprice in the same Canadian plant..


If it hadn't been for the efforts of former Holden CEO, Mark Reuss as GMNA products manager, none of this would have happened.

But if the dollar begins to slide back towards 80-85 cents US, then the equation starts to favor Holden.

[RASER]

Originally Posted by RASER

I think they are making a announcment today, 17th May, about Holden made exports, hows yours going Ford AUS?

I am right.........again!

Right on "Q", Official GM communication and confirmation

http://media.gm.com/media/au/en/hold...ramChevroletSS

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RASER

I am right.........again!

Right on "Q", Official GM communication and confirmation

http://media.gm.com/media/au/en/hold...ramChevroletSS

pretty sure there was a similar fanfare around the holden police pursuit vehicles exported to the US. remind me how thats going again??

[BHDOGS]

I'm sure it's good news but the nascars won't be anything like the road going version and the American as in show room versions will be more cheaper and have more equipment then the Australian version I'm
Assuming

[Nikked]

Curious to see the outcome...


Still very vauge...

We know it will be commodore based...but how much of the body?


So the Exports start at 2014, and the VE-VF ends in 2018. What happens after that, move to Aplha platform?

[RASER]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

I'm sure it's good news but the nascars won't be anything like the road going version and the American as in show room versions will be more cheaper and have more equipment then the Australian version I'm
Assuming

U would be correct.

Just like our V8 taxis racing around, zero similar to what u and i can buy.

The Monaro/GTO was cheaper and better equipped in USA than what we could buy, similar with the Ford/Mercury Capri [So yes, FORD AUS has done export]

We are just ripped off silly in AUS for a lot of things.

Good for Aussie workers, who cares what label is on the bonnet, Aussie made giving our fellow brothers a job is good news, USA gets to buy a decent vehicle as a bonus.

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Curious to see the outcome...


Still very vauge...

We know it will be commodore based...but how much of the body?


So the Exports start at 2014, and the VE-VF ends in 2018. What happens after that, move to Aplha platform?

Will be just like a Commodore, but in LHD, in MPH and Gallons, together with V8 only

If it keeps selling i dont see why they would be forced to change anything, just keep punching them out, VE could well live on for years.

Just listed on the USA Chev website, maybe you can place your order now?

Me think US$25k?

http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/chevrolet-ss/

[prydey]

Originally Posted by RASER

Will be just like a Commodore, but in LHD, in MPH and Gallons, together with V8 only

If it keeps selling i dont see why they would be forced to change anything, just keep punching them out, VE could well live on for years.

Just listed on the USA Chev website, maybe you can place your order now?

Me think US$25k?

http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/chevrolet-ss/

so it costs them around $30k (roughly for arguments sake, possibly a fair bit more) to build them, and you want them to ship them to america and sell them for $25k, and you don't see the problem with that plan??

selling an extra 1000 or so commodores a month doesn't automatically equal profit just because it starts winning the sales race!!

[Moby Vic]

They won't sell for $25K here—at least that won't be the suggested retail price. With a V8 they'll probably start around $35K. Chevy is calling this a halo car—that means it won't be cheap.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

In the US, 40,000 sales of one particular model in a year isn't that good. I can't even remember how many years the GTOnaro was sold here, but I think it was three.

that's what i was saying, 40,000 isn't good for a usa maker, but brilliant numbers for our struggling guys. i'm sure ford australia would love to add 40,000 to their output, and i'm sure FPV would love to add 400 to theirs (if they could even produce that many).

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

They won't sell for $25K here—at least that won't be the suggested retail price. With a V8 they'll probably start around $35K. Chevy is calling this a halo car—that means it won't be cheap.

they sell for $45k plus here. i'm led to believe there is a little bit more fat in the v8 models than the 6cyl models, but for this to work, they would have to be selling them around that figure over there, esp with the dollar around parity.

[Brazen]

yeah definately in the $35k mark, it will have the 6.2 litre V8 which is what the Pontiac G8 GXP had and that was $37.5k plus taxes and on roads.

[BHDOGS]

I'm thinking a few Holden people will be ****ed off bout how cheaper it is

[RASER]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

I'm thinking a few Holden people will be ****ed off bout how cheaper it is

+1

It's not cheap, it's just we are ripped off super big here downunder.

Anyway it's a American owned company after all, there money [well American shareholders]they can do damn well as they like.

Vote with your feet, don't buy it.

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by RASER

Anyway it's a American owned company after all, there money [well American shareholders]they can do damn well as they like.

We can't get Falcons.

[Bossxr8]

They have said they won't be adding an extra shift or increasing production numbers, so they mustn't be expecting it to sell much. It will just take up a little of the numbers of Commodores that Holden aren't selling now.

Can't see them making any money on it with the dollar around parity though.

And how will the Yanks take their Nascar being a foreign made vehicle. That will get the rednecks backs up surely.

Good on them for giving it a go though, Ford did a number of feasibility studies to export LHD Falcons, and it was pretty simple to make them in LHD, with the Middle East being the main market, but Detroit denied it because it would have stolen Crown Vic sales over there, but look where that is now, its dead. Good to see Ford plan well ahead, now that the Crown Vic is gone they have nothing to replace it with.

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And how will the Yanks take their Nascar being a foreign made vehicle. That will get the rednecks backs up surely.

Toyota has been in NASCAR for years, and Dodge was owned by Germans.

They'll like it just fine. It'll have a Chevy badge on it instead of Holden, anyway.

[Bossxr8]

But Toyota is a foreign brand, not a strong US brand who for the first time will use an import as their NASCAR.

What sort of following does Toyota have in Nascar, i'd assume not much?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

But Toyota is a foreign brand, not a strong US brand who for the first time will use an import as their NASCAR.

What sort of following does Toyota have in Nascar, i'd assume not much?

Toyota has been in NASCAR since 2007 and has a growing fan base thank to Kyle Busch

During its first four seasons and 144 races in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series (NSCS), Toyota has visited victory lane 33 times, recorded 24 pole positions and registered 129 top-five finishes. Kyle Busch earned Toyota’s first-ever NSCS win at Atlanta Motor Speedway in March of 2008. In addition, Toyota has been represented in the ‘Chase for the Sprint Cup’ championship playoff in each of the last three seasons — with Busch, Denny Hamlin and Tony Stewart in 2008; Hamlin and Brian Vickers in 2009 and Busch and Hamlin in 2010.

TOYOTA DRIVERS EARN 200TH NASCAR WIN

Logano Triumphant in Nationwide, Busch Takes Two Runner-Ups

TALLADEGA, Ala. (May 6, 2012) -- Camry driver Joey Logano claimed the 200th NASCAR victory for Toyota with a win in the NASCAR Nationwide Series (NNS) race at Alabama’s Talladega Superspeedway. Fellow Toyota driver Kyle Busch also earned a pair of runner-up finishes in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series (NSCS) and NNS races at Talladega. Eric Holmes also drove his Camry to a runner-up result in Saturday’s NASCAR K&N Pro Series West (NKNPSW) race at Stockton 99 Speedway in Stockton, Calif.

[olds]

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...517-1yt7w.html
They say they only expect 5000 sales annually but I suppose that five months of Falcon sales here .

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by olds

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...517-1yt7w.html
They say they only expect 5000 sales annually but I suppose that five months of Falcon sales here .

or a month and a third of Mazda 3's...I cannot believe the amount of press this has got for the volume that will actually be sent over... it could be around $100million in revenue which sound great to us average citizens however based on Holdens numbers for last FY that represents less than 7% of its sales rev. am I being too cynical?