Tunnel crash truckie 'on mobile' - Page 2

Keepleft · 14-04-2007, 07:10 PM

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Schmidty writes: - All instances i mentioned, fell within your point (1) & (2).

Not arguing that, ARR regulation-posted,- makes it easier for folk to see is all, and for the record, my Signature might signal I that am serious about the item and applicable reasons etc, and trust me; 'much more'.

You can probably, like me, see room for improvement in the regulation in relation to 'divided' roads'.

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And tread carefully? Why? Should everyone speak hypothetically and generically??

Legally, to be safe, yes. Anything said here, especially from involved persons, or from those stating what are potentially defamatory remarks can be sued, or at some stages of legal proceeding - be found in contempt etc and so on. I am not saying this to be nasty S, just to be cautious is all - until proceedings finish. I have NO problem discussing crash/breakdown scene warning actions and requirements generally. All for it in fact - for the educational aspect.

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Almost everything you post is from a law, legislation or handbook. There's more goes on in life than that.

Thank christ, and yes, I know:-)

bcr2734 · 14-04-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by schmidty

All instances i mentioned, fell within your point (1) & (2)

And tread carefully? Why? Should everyone speak hypothetically and generically??

Almost everything you post is from a law, legislation or handbook. There's more goes on in life than that.

very true. But your comments were poor and very low.

bcr2734 · 14-04-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Not arguing that, ARR regulation-posted,- makes it easier for folk to see is all, and for the record, my Signature might signal I that am serious about the item and applicable reasons etc, and trust me; 'much more'.

You can probably, like me, see room for improvement in the regulation in relation to 'divided' roads'.

Legally, to be safe, yes. Anything said here, especially from involved persons, or from those stating what are potentially defamatory remarks can be sued. I am not saying this to be nasty S, just to be cautious is all until proceedings finish. I have NO problem discussing crash/breakdown scene warning actions and requirements generally. All for it in fact - for the educational aspect.

Thank christ, and yes, I know:-)

You didnt show the bridge and tunnel cause and ammendment. Lane got closed. He got out to adhere to your post. But the unfortunate accident happen.

there is alot of finger pointing going on. people need to be aware that this stuff happens everywhere and people that have a go at people in these situations live in glass houses

schmidty · 14-04-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Not arguing that, ARR regulation-posted,- makes it easier for folk to see is all, and for the record, my Signature might signal I that am serious about the item and applicable reasons etc, and trust me; 'much more'.

You can probably, like me, see room for improvement in the regulation in relation to 'divided' roads'.

Legally, to be safe, yes. Anything said here, especially from involved persons, or from those stating what are potentially defamatory remarks can be sued, or at some stages of legal proceeding - be found in contempt etc and so on. I am not saying this to be nasty S, just to be cautious is all - until proceedings finish. I have NO problem discussing crash/breakdown scene warning actions and requirements generally. All for it in fact - for the educational aspect.

Thank christ, and yes, I know:-)

Thanks for clarifying.

Ben

bcr2734 · 14-04-2007, 07:24 PM

Keepleft. If you are a motorist's adocate for newcastle. Then where is your voice in road matience and training in the hunter. You seem to live by the book tho the hunter has a very high acident rate for a country area. Not getting up you tho i am interested in your views.

schmidty · 14-04-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bcr2734

you said five trucks. Hmmm. The company has a good aray of trucks. It could be worse mate it could have been a bulls from adel. we have over 5000 trucks not including 6500 trailers. thats only in australia. Times that by 300 for a phone. If they changed a tyre on these roads you said we'll you being a fellow truck driver would of helped?. interesting that all partys have a view on this. And all welcom if they a not blaming anyone. All of K & S gear is roadworth and it may not be flash but it does it's job. In linehaul there are no trucks over 4 years. in reference to cootes, they have been broke 3 times and have contracts that say that the gear must be washed. But in australia we have a drought. the driver was legal when he stopped. thats it. An as to say we have a poor training regime. i think you need to come over to the depot and go throught it ok. I am standing up for the company and the driver until proven guilty. Thats where it stands and if thats upsets you well go and build a bridge. The sarents trailer was the one with the bolt in the boaster.

See mate, you still dont get it. People being people, JUDGE AT FACE VALUE. It's human nature. I dont think being defensive does anythiing for your company image. You got on here and told us about the dodgy trailer brakes. How does that help your cause? Who's trailer it is is irrelevant. It was being pulled by a truck owned by the company you work for, driven by an employed driver, so therefore in K&S control and totally their responsibility. If someone else loads my truck, and i leave the yard, i'm assuming responsibility for the load i'm carrying, and it's my responsibility to check that the load i have and the vehicle i'll be incontrol of are safe, ad satisfactorily maintained and equipped to perform the task at hand.

I dont care if K&S have 24,000 trucks. They are still expected to be maintained and comply with federal and state laws. Same as our 6. If they dont have the resources to make sure this happens, then they are putting he safety of their drivers and the motoring public in general. If i had 2000 trucks, and i flattened your car because my brakes were fooked, would "sorry mate, i've got 2000 trucks, and 3000 trailers, bit of hard work maintaining them all. You'll get used to a wheel chair though" be enough to let you move on and forget about it? I doubt it.

And as for the cost of 5000 hands free kits, well, deal with it. Its a requirement in order to use the device while driving. If our 6 trucks can generate enough income to afford a hands free kit, then so can a lean transport group like K&S. The cost is the biggest load of BS ever. Average prime mover and set of double taughtliners would be what, say $400,000. Whats an extra $300? If that truck is used for interstate linehaul, $300 bucks is the difference in diesel in a week of a driver who revs the bags out of the thing and one who drives efficiently. $300 bucks is literally pocket change in the cost of owning a truck. If its feasable for a small fleet, it is for a large one who has superior buying and negotiating power.

bcr2734 · 14-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by schmidty

See mate, you still dont get it. People being people, JUDGE AT FACE VALUE. It's human nature. I dont think being defensive does anythiing for your company image. You got on here and told us about the dodgy trailer brakes. How does that help your cause? Who's trailer it is is irrelevant. It was being pulled by a truck owned by the company you work for, driven by an employed driver, so therefore in K&S control and totally their responsibility. If someone else loads my truck, and i leave the yard, i'm assuming responsibility for the load i'm carrying, and it's my responsibility to check that the load i have and the vehicle i'll be incontrol of are safe, ad satisfactorily maintained and equipped to perform the task at hand.

I dont care if K&S have 24,000 trucks. They are still expected to be maintained and comply with federal and state laws. Same as our 6. If they dont have the resources to make sure this happens, then they are putting he safety of their drivers and the motoring public in general. If i had 2000 trucks, and i flattened your car because my brakes were fooked, would "sorry mate, i've got 2000 trucks, and 3000 trailers, bit of hard work maintaining them all. You'll get used to a wheel chair though" be enough to let you move on and forget about it? I doubt it.

And as for the cost of 5000 hands free kits, well, deal with it. Its a requirement in order to use the device while driving. If our 6 trucks can generate enough income to afford a hands free kit, then so can a lean transport group like K&S. The cost is the biggest load of BS ever. Average prime mover and set of double taughtliners would be what, say $400,000. Whats an extra $300? If that truck is used for interstate linehaul, $300 bucks is the difference in diesel in a week of a driver who revs the bags out of the thing and one who drives efficiently. $300 bucks is literally pocket change in the cost of owning a truck. If its feasable for a small fleet, it is for a large one who has superior buying and negotiating power.

your right i must not get it. I must be in another world. But tell me this. would you stand up for a company that has done no wrong. or Would you let someone that works for a small fleet to tell a large fleet owner that he should get this cause he wants it done. you are not looking at the picture. Putting a name to it causes grief for every one. You should hang you self in shame because you want to abuse a company that has been in your local area for over 40 years. Interesting to say that there gear is shitty. I am happy with the gear. It is roadworthy and safe. If you have a grudge against them like one of your early posts on the thread well keep your comments to your self. the information i get that is availble on a transport web site. And any info i get from work is transparent. We all have it ok. But don't bag out things that you don't knoiw about

schmidty · 14-04-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bcr2734

your right i must not get it. I must be in another world. But tell me this. would you stand up for a company that has done no wrong. or Would you let someone that works for a small fleet to tell a large fleet owner that he should get this cause he wants it done. you are not looking at the picture. Putting a name to it causes grief for every one. You should hang you self in shame because you want to abuse a company that has been in your local area for over 40 years. Interesting to say that there gear is shitty. I am happy with the gear. It is roadworthy and safe. If you have a grudge against them like one of your early posts on the thread well keep your comments to your self. the information i get that is availble on a transport web site. And any info i get from work is transparent. We all have it ok. But don't bag out things that you don't knoiw about

Simple, dont wanna pay, dont use the bloody phones. It doesnt get any simpler. If you take all names out of my posts, and references to companies, i stand by my views.
If you're happy with the equip, then i'm glad you enjoy your job. People dont get to see the behind the scenes like you. We dont all get to go through a major companies yard or be told about their procedures, guidelines, or long term objectives. Honestly, the only thing most people will be able to tell you about the mentioned company is that their trucks are everywhere, and the next thing is that they were involved in someway in the accident in the Burnley Tunnel. Like it/Loathe it, people make associations.

If you believe my comments have been a blatant and unfounded attack on K&S, or have taken personal offence to a comment you believe was directed at you, i apologise, and please PM me if you wish to discuss. I think i've put forth my opinions and dont need to say anything else.

Ben

xagsjoe · 14-04-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

No not Bullsh!t at all. I got booked twice for doing it in the mid 80s.

Sorry big fella but no way is it illegal! You obviously got the raw end of the stick as my Uncle got booked late eighties for using his CB for "Warning other driver's of a Police presence"

I drive interstate and have driven everything from Triple roadtrains to 8ton flat tops and they have ALL been fitted with a UHF/CB of some description.

I spend a fair amout of time on the phone talking with company drivers (the boss has a deal so company-company phone calls are free) and my wife but NEVER with a phone to my ear!!

Is anyone aware whether or not this driver had a hands free kit?? I bet even if he did the tabloids wont make it common knowledge as they wouldnt have a story! Its not illegal to use a hands free kit!!! same as its not illegal to use UHF/CB's period. Ive even had conversations with RTA on them.

GXL078 · 14-04-2007, 08:42 PM

Legal action for quoting News Limited?

**GasoLane** · 14-04-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bcr2734

Times that by 300 for a phone.

They could always buy trucks with built in phones, but knowing most local drivers, and trucks, the phones would be wrecked in a week.

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Originally Posted by bcr2734

If they changed a tyre on these roads you said we'll you being a fellow truck driver would of helped?.

Yeah right. Like he has time to see driver with flat, cut across traffic, stop, then explain to the boss why he's late...get real.

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Originally Posted by bcr273

the driver was legal when he stopped. thats it. .

Now your starting to sound like a laywer for the defence.
As I've mentioned at some length in another post, he may have been legal but it was also very stupid!
(You can also walk across a pedestrian crossing in front of a bus. Legal? yes, but also stupid.)

**Elks** · 14-04-2007, 09:26 PM

Firtsly schmidty & BCR2734 don't forget that this was an accident.

The 1st K&S truck whilst quite within his rights to, should not have stopped in the tunnel. I wouldn't in a car with blowout you would be 50/50 at best to be hit. I can can always buy another rim & tyre.

Having done so I'm sure he has sleepless nights about the repurcussions of this decision.

The driver of the lousville should not have answered the phone but he did and I'm sure he also has sleepless nights. (please let me know if you have NEVER done this, it easy to take the high ground when your actions have no consequences) He also should have checked the condition fo the trailer he was given, but like hundereds of other subbies that day, I bet he didn't.

Accidents usually occur when more than one thing goes wrong. Its good media fodder to blame one person or one thing for a tradgedy like this but its too late then for the poeple involved and those left behind.

My original point was that the number 1 saftey measure is good road design.

For instance. If there was a armco in the French tunnell Pricess Diana would be alive today. Sereval poeple had to die on the Geelong road before they put dividers in. Trucks & cars often tip over or spin out on the loop up to the bolte brigde and coming off the bolte bridge becuase the curves are steep and tight. It is a matter of thime before someone gets hurt on this relatively new section of freeway. We need to look at things clearly to stop this and other things like it re-occurring.

How this related to a drugged out idiot driving an unregistered unroadworthy truck in sydney is anybody's guess. That, was an accident waiting to happen.

For the record. I don't know or have any association with any anyone or any company involved in this.

Laminge · 14-04-2007, 09:29 PM

I wonder if the people in this thread whom are on their high horses have done anything to focus on the victims on this tragedy, or is it easier to move the keyboard back across the desk and sip on a coffee after they post?

EDXR6T · 14-04-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FALCONSR

anyone else see the "done it again"

sorry if it offends people

HAHAHA...

Thats classic... :hihi:

bcr2734 · 14-04-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

I wonder if the people in this thread whom are on their high horses have done anything to focus on the victims on this tragedy, or is it easier to move the keyboard back across the desk and sip on a coffee after they post?

but who are the victims in this?? I think they all are. Thats my point.

prydey · 15-04-2007, 03:12 PM

regarding the original post, there is no evidence of how the phone was used except for phone records that show it was answered. nowhere does it say whether it was picked up or not. only the driver knows that. the whole issue just gets blown out of proportin by the media. stating that the driver was using hands free would sound nowhere near as good.

on another topic, a truck driver was praised recetly in adelaide for his ability after losing his brakes going down a hill and taking out numerous cars, and ending up jack knifed in a caravan place.

truckies will always come under fire as they are easy targets and a scapegoat for the govt.

without trucks australia stops.

**Full Noise** · 15-04-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EDXR6T

HAHAHA...

Thats classic... :hihi:

This post is an absolute disgrace. EDXR6T, you really need to ask yourself if this is appropriate. Would you still have posted this if you knew any of the people involved?

My views on that subject are already known, so there’s no need to go over old ground, however, EDXR6T, I actually feel sorry for you. You really need to get a grip on reality.