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26-04-2011, 07:23 PM | #31 | ||
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Man it must be great being a perfect parent and knowing where your kids are and what they're doing every single second of every single day even when your back is turned
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26-04-2011, 07:27 PM | #32 | |||
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It's not about being a perfect parent - the location is renowned for Dingo's (who've been fed by humans)...if you didn't keep an eye on your kids there...I would seriously think there was something wrong with you...
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26-04-2011, 08:20 PM | #33 | ||
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Should change the title of the thread too "Irresponsible parents allow child to be attacked by Dingo and no responsibility is taken" But then it wouldnt grab your attention as its all too common.
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26-04-2011, 09:58 PM | #34 | ||
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I see it like this, If you let your kids play in water in north Queensland or NT then you can expect they may be attacked by a salt water crocodile. Taking your kids to a known dingo habitat is also looking for trouble. We can't kill everything off that may harm us or our children.
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26-04-2011, 10:16 PM | #35 | |||
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26-04-2011, 10:19 PM | #36 | ||
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I go to Fraser regularly, all the locals and regular visitors treat the animals with the respect deserved for a wild animal. I wont walk alone at night on the island, and watched my kids like a hawke when they were small. You cant turn everthing into a safe sterile environment.
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26-04-2011, 10:25 PM | #37 | |||
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Otherwise we would ban the following: Fire Cars Toys Smoking Drinking Interaction with other people Any form of utensil Certain fabrics Peanuts etc. etc. The problem with people is that we believe we have the right to control absolutely everything in our environment all of the time... If you're going to stick your hand in a piranha tank, then expect to be chowed on...I don't need a sign. It's called common sense...
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26-04-2011, 10:27 PM | #38 | |||
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26-04-2011, 10:29 PM | #39 | ||
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All the people that have fed them or left food that is easy to get to are to blame also.
NEVER EVER FEED WILD ANIMALS.
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26-04-2011, 10:35 PM | #40 | ||
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If a dingo sees something around its size or smaller (especially when there's 2) it will want to kill and eat it. Simple as that!
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26-04-2011, 10:37 PM | #41 | |||
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27-04-2011, 12:13 AM | #42 | ||
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As a friend from work put it today: "I was up there 2 days ago, and if they somehow missed the 1500 signs on the island warning them about the dingoes, not to mention the extra ones on the barge over, they're idiots"
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27-04-2011, 12:37 AM | #43 | |||
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I dont know the full story and those that were actually there would no doubt be scratching their heads including the parents who would be blaming themselves. As a parent myself ( & grandparent) it does only take literally seconds for a 3 year olds to disappear from sight, especially when you think you know where they are and are quietly going about there business close by. I have done it myself, sometimes with a bit of a heart skip thinking they were at your feet and suddenly not there. Yes the dingoes need to be watched and yes people do leave stuff out but I have also seen a dingo get into a tent and run away with a bag stuffed with heavy food. If a dingo is pinpointed as a problem it does need to be removed unfortunately if there is any chance that it could be a threat in the future. Those who are ready to set the parents alight on this ...... I just hope as parents you are perfect because if you aren't ..... there is a multitude of people out there ready to judge.
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27-04-2011, 01:45 AM | #44 | |||
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27-04-2011, 07:35 AM | #45 | |||
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27-04-2011, 07:56 AM | #46 | ||
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Sorry, I don't buy it. If you're in a place that requires extra vigilance, you MUST not let a small child leave your side at ANY time.
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27-04-2011, 02:37 PM | #47 | |||
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All dingos will kill small things when hungry. So will any salty, shark, snake, etc. So should we just kill them all? More kids get run over in their own driveways from 4wd's. |
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27-04-2011, 04:09 PM | #48 | ||
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Simple-ban all 4WD's-lol
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27-04-2011, 10:52 PM | #49 | |||
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Kids get run over by 4x4's in driveways? What has that got to do with it? Parents also get charged in these instances which is a very sorry thing for someone to go through but dont see how this where the similarities are.
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27-04-2011, 11:11 PM | #50 | ||
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There used to be a t-shirt showing a dingo riding a harley, with uluru / the rock in the background.
The caption - 'I'm splitting - had a gutful of the babes around here' |
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27-04-2011, 11:25 PM | #51 | |||
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I'll be honest, I like animals, and I really hate to see this happen regardless of whether they are territorial. We as a society seem to kill anything that behaves as a normal wild animal. I don't condone animals attacking children, or anyone for that matter, but the dog is behaving as it would in it's natural habitat. I get that these animals have shown to be dangerous, but given that Fraser is a World Heritage area, and the dingo's are protected species, it seems that killing them because they're behaving as a 'wild animal' would behave ordinarily, seems a little contradictory to the scheme of things. If Fraser is such an important place, as we're all led to believe, it seems that as humans, we're in the wrong, and Fraser should be a no-go zone... Elsewhere in Australia, they're poisoned with 1080 as they're seen to be a pest, because they're doing what wild animals do...hunt... We're going to end up with nothing left if we just keep killing it all when it behaves in it's normal fashion. We take their habitat because we want somewhere to live, and animals pay the ultimate price. We want new houses, the animals have to pay the price. In an environment such as this, I don't think there's an option for anyone to not take responsibility for what happens on the island. If this country is serious about conservation, perhaps the tourist dollar should be at the back of our mind, not the front.
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27-04-2011, 11:33 PM | #52 | |||
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28-04-2011, 12:35 AM | #53 | ||
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my mind is entirely with you sezzy.. good post
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28-04-2011, 02:57 AM | #54 | |||
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2nd, they arent going to kill every Dingo on Fraser Island, just the ones they identify as 'conditioned' to attack people. I dont know the number on the Island, but one number given in 2008/9 was between 100 and 120 animals, and more than half were malnourished. Later reports estimate that number to be an underestimate as rangers had tagged over 200 by the end of last year (that will include the earlier ones too). Whatever the number is, if 100 is too many for the island to sustain, then something must be done to prevent the animals suffering. Have you ever seen 1080 at work? Id prefer a .22-250 or .243, its much quicker and definitely much more humane. But hey, you dont have to watch with the 1080. |
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28-04-2011, 09:41 AM | #55 | |||
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In 1995 there had been no 'official reports' of dingo attacks. 2001 a young boy was found dead. As a result of this more than 120 dingoes were destroyed (I kind of doubt these were all 'conditioned' to attack). 2010 there were more reports of dingoes biting people (all in March, and three in total). It's not about the island sustaining them...it's about people being the root cause of why they're getting destroyed. I've seen 1080 at work, I've also seen the .22,.222,.308, etc at work, to be honest, I don't like any of them, and I certainly don't believe that they should be put down because we went to THEIR habitat... The dingo's on Fraser are (to the best of my knowledge), the most purebred of all the dingos, hence why they're protected. Knowing this, and that all dogs are territorial, WHY would anyone in their right mind, allow tourists over there? To top that off, you have people feeding dingoes and provoking them to get the perfect photo opportunity...it's a recipe for disaster, to which the only answer appears to be...kill them when they behave like the wild animal they are, because the tourist dollar is worth much more than a bunch of dogs...
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28-04-2011, 09:48 AM | #56 | ||
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Ban humans from Fraser. Problem solvered!
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28-04-2011, 03:03 PM | #57 | |||
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Well more kids are killed in their driveways than all animal attacks put together was the point. |
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28-04-2011, 03:30 PM | #58 | |||
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I can only assume based on your analogy that its their home, that your view is we dont have any right to elevate our needs over those of an animal. Then I can also only assume youre a vegetarian? Because if youre not, then you have to recognise you see yourself as a species above the other species you share the planet with, that is you dont live by a standard youre now setting for others. If that were not true, you wouldnt eat them. If you dont eat them, well good for you, however I do as do millions of others. Point, humans are the ultimate predator on this planet, and I have no qualms with entering the habitat of other animals, and protecting some habitat for said animals, and hunting them to manageable numbers and protecting some animals. Quote:
Sometimes the issue will be ignored, and sometimes a government will need to please all groups, all with opposing views. Like it was mentioned earlier, some animals were relocated from the Island to the mainland due to high populations of Dingoes, an act that is illegal as they are a declared pest on the mainland. Sometimes, the number of animals on the Island is found to be too high for the ecology of the Island and a set number are targeted, sometimes culled, other times relocated. Your past numbers wont mean much. Quote:
I wont argue that people have not done the wrong thing, they have, nor that the parents of this young girl should have been more vigilant, they should have and I bet they know it. But Im also not going to attack the parents as its easy enough to do, and I highly doubt it was intentional. As someone else said, kids are quick and sometimes a parent has too much on their mind. But Im also not going to cry when a few dingoes are shot. It isnt their Island, its ours being the dominate species. And Im not saying all Dingoes should be removed, it should be shared, they are part of the allure of the Island. However if it comes to a choice between animal and human, Ill choose human every day. Quote:
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Where do you live? In a bark hut built in the canopy of the trees so as not to disturb the native habitat? Or do you live in a house, on land cleared at some point in time. Do you swing from the trees so as not to need roads that also result in dead animals? Or is your car and the wider economy more important than some animals? Youre being silly, and spouting a double standard. They are not killing off all Dingoes on Fraser. They SHOULD be trying to manage the numbers. Unfortunately, its a hot potato, and the government wont please everyone. |
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28-04-2011, 04:54 PM | #60 | |||
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cool story. did your dog bark or howl?
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