Do You Trust The Government?

[turboute]

Originally Posted by max

Feds are screwing us in broad daylight. But we are a good laid-back society and take it up the clacker. The stats show we seem to like a conservative govt in for the long haul. For just long enough to haul us down into the dark ages. Then every 10 or so years we vote in a visionary to pull us out again for a bit of air, then enough of that, tip them out and back down we go......

Like Paul Keating?

[MethodX]

Is a first generation Italian/Aussie who speaks with an Ocker accent a real Aussie then?

[Keepleft]

I watched Brendan Nelsons FULL interview, not shown on domestic news on this matter. Source? ABC TV live feed on Optus B1.

It runs for 28 minutes, many questions are thrown and I have no concern as to his answers. It is his personal preference that defence return bodies/remains of AUS personnel, rather than rely foreign contractors.

In this case a stuff up at Kuwait. Why? The answer will be forthcoming after the investigation by a defence member and independent pathologist with experience in after death matters.

The issue will then return to the VIC coroner. All perfectly normal.

Two issues are in question, and each WILL be answered..

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Is a first generation Italian/Aussie who speaks with an Ocker accent a real Aussie then?

Anybody that wants to call them self an Aussie and adopt our way of life is more than welcome to call themself and Aussie. There is a certain "twang" to our speech pattern that is considered an Aussie accent. Ever watched old news reels or television shows? Please dont tell me that it becoming politicaly incorrect to claim our own national accent or claim that we have one????

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Anybody that wants to call them self an Aussie and adopt our way of life is more than welcome to call themself and Aussie. There is a certain "twang" to our speech pattern that is considered an Aussie accent. Ever watched old news reels or television shows? Please dont tell me that it becoming politicaly incorrect to claim our own national accent or claim that we have one????

Having an aussie accent and "speaking like a real aussie" are quite different things. Just semantics tho lol - i dont think you've been overly misunderstood

[gozza]

i was watching lateline last night and they were talking about the new " citizenship test" they are thinking of implementing

anyone remember the white australian policy?

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by gozza

i was watching lateline last night and they were talking about the new " citizenship test" they are thinking of implementing

anyone remember the white australian policy?

I think that was somewhat before my time but im familiar with it. A little different tho...

I think the citizenship test is a good, nay - great idea but we should excercise caution in defining what being "australian" means because one of this country's greatest attributes is its diversity IMO.

[gozza]

yes...they should be carefull.....but as Australians we also have to hold our future in high regards....By saying this im referring to Immigrants who "seclude themselves within there own native commmunity" segregating themselves from becomming Australian by notwanting to abide by our beleifs and customs.

Im all for immigration but at what point do we stop letting poeople in?
There is not one thing that defines a person as Australian(short of being born here) but there are ways to determine whether immigrants will be looking to accept our customs.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by gozza

yes...they should be carefull.....but as Australians we also have to hold our future in high regards....By saying this im referring to Immigrants who "seclude themselves within there own native commmunity" segregating themselves from becomming Australian by notwanting to abide by our beleifs and customs.

Im all for immigration but at what point do we stop letting poeople in?
There is not one thing that defines a person as Australian(short of being born here) but there are ways to determine whether immigrants will be looking to accept our customs.

Yes Gozza we have to be very carefull who we give the PRIVILEGE to. And I do think that some people should not be let in. ie criminal record, cant definately themselves adequately etc etc.... I dont think that race color or creed should be an issue unless their culture cant be integrated, ie female circumcism(SP?) etc. ouch.

[Polyal]

Speaking english is always a start; so many reasons why the MUST speak english, primarily safety.

But on the flip side, my GF's mum is french born, married an aussie now lives in tassie, she refuses to give up her french citizenship for an aussie one. But she fits right in, if it wasn't for the strange accent you would never know.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Speaking english is always a start; so many reasons why the MUST speak english, primarily safety.

But on the flip side, my GF's mum is french born, married an aussie now lives in tassie, she refuses to give up her french citizenship for an aussie one. But she fits right in, if it wasn't for the strange accent you would never know.

Surely there is no reason to give up on her french citizenship, cant she have both? My wife and two of my kids have dual citizenship. She might have problems getting back into Australia one day..... It has happened before.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Surely there is no reason to give up on her french citizenship, cant she have both? My wife and two of my kids have dual citizenship. She might have problems getting back into Australia one day..... It has happened before.

yeah I dont know...my GF has 3...lol, aussie, french and canadian.

I recently went OS with them, America was a nightmare to say the least. They are so dumb, she was born in Africa, just to complicate things, and they didnt know where the city, nor country was..lol..went through the whole terrorist thing; it was a joke.

Anyway..lol

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Polyal

yeah I dont know...my GF has 3...lol, aussie, french and canadian.

I recently went OS with them, America was a nightmare to say the least. They are so dumb, she was born in Africa, just to complicate things, and they didnt know where the city, nor country was..lol..went through the whole terrorist thing; it was a joke.

Anyway..lol

She has roots in 4 countries??? Wow no wonder the custome people's heads nearly expolded...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

She has roots in 4 countries??? Wow no wonder the custome people's heads nearly expolded...

Yeah it was funny looking back, but at the time we missed our connecting flight. With our return trip they told her not to fligh through the US or its jail time, for nothing...lol Only issue was that her passport didn't have a chip, it was an old one; all they had to do is type the bloody numbers in.

Anyway..back OT, speaking english is a bare minimum, or atleast the parents should be able to. What if there is a murder etc etc, and they are the witness. Or there is an accident and they have issues telling people....

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by Polyal

What if there is a murder etc etc, and they are the witness. Or there is an accident and they have issues telling people....

I think that's a really legitimate point. Reading and writing as well - road signs, danger signs etc etc.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by xfalconz

Either way at least Howard has had the balls to accept the responsibility for this and hopefully the mans family can in time get some closure.

Why should Howard accept responsibility? Did he go and shoot him?

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I am suggesting that she speaks like what most people would consider to be an Aussie accent, not kiwi, not chinese, not american, not indian. Aussie

Sorry, but that's rubbish really. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a lot of chinese people who were here long before many on these boards I would say. 1870's abouts if i'm not mistaken..

I think the military is covering something, but there still has to be a report on it before we will really know anything.

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by gozza

don't trust anyone...condolences to the family also......it doesn't make sense at all

this is pure speculation...but seeing as tho he was shot in the head....suicide or murder springs to mind....whats the chances of a gun accidentally going off and getting you in the head with out being aimed

not as rare as you might think, if PTE Kovco was using a F88 Austyre there has been a few problems with them going off over the years, the last case was in east timor where another young soldier had his weapon discharge on him in the back of an APC, granted he was on patrol so there was more reason for him to have a round in the chamber, but the safety should have been on.

[Outbackjack]

[QUOTE=popinfresh]Why should Howard accept responsibility? Did he go and shoot him?



Sorry, but that's rubbish really. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a lot of chinese people who were here long before many on these boards I would say. 1870's abouts if i'm not mistaken..

Sighhhhh .....I will try once more. There is a certain way of speaking (accent) that is considered uniquely Australian. It doesnt matter where a person comes from, they can still have an Aussie accent. I work with a guy who looks just like foo man choo. But talk to him on the phone and you wouldnt have a clue!! No I didnt mean to rhym. :

[Van D]

Originally Posted by gozza

yes...they should be carefull.....but as Australians we also have to hold our future in high regards....By saying this im referring to Immigrants who "seclude themselves within there own native commmunity" segregating themselves from becomming Australian by notwanting to abide by our beleifs and customs.

People coming to don't need to abide our beliefs. They need to abide our laws. They can believe in whatever they want. It wasn't that long ago when people in schools were made to say oaths such as 'I love God..etc' in the mornings. How would you feel if you were buddist and having to say 'I love God' when you came to school?

I do agree on the segregating themselves part to some extent, though it's been happening for years. There's always been areas that are mainly inhabited by people of a certain ethnic background.

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Yes Gozza we have to be very carefull who we give the PRIVILEGE to. And I do think that some people should not be let in. ie criminal record, cant definately themselves adequately etc etc.... I dont think that race color or creed should be an issue unless their culture cant be integrated, ie female circumcism(SP?) etc. ouch.

It's hard to say you can't let people in because of their cultural differences though. You do realise different Australians speak 200 language's every day? That's shows how diverse we are allready. If they have a criminal record, I think it would depend on the context of their crimes.

I'll post my view on the english test in a sec..

[Van D]

[QUOTE=Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by popinfresh

Why should Howard accept responsibility? Did he go and shoot him?



Sorry, but that's rubbish really. I know what you're trying to say, but there's a lot of chinese people who were here long before many on these boards I would say. 1870's abouts if i'm not mistaken..

Sighhhhh .....I will try once more. There is a certain way of speaking (accent) that is considered uniquely Australian. It doesnt matter where a person comes from, they can still have an Aussie accent. I work with a guy who looks just like foo man choo. But talk to him on the phone and you wouldnt have a clue!! No I didnt mean to rhym. :

Yeah, I know where you were going =) It was just the way it came out as to say someone Chinese doesn't sound Australian.

Sorry for the misundertanding.

[Polyal]

thats like a lady at my old work...asian apperance but spoke like the biggest aussie bogan ever, freaked me for a while.

I dont care what accent you speak in, aslong as I can understand it its fine.

[Outbackjack]

This the best country on Earth..... Despite what succesive governments have done to it. We can afford to be VERY fussy who we let in. And we SHOULD be very fussy who comes to settle here, perhaps a 10 year probation period where an imigrant can be deported if they commit a crime. If they are good person they should not have any problem with this.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Sighhhhh .....I will try once more. There is a certain way of speaking (accent) that is considered uniquely Australian. It doesnt matter where a person comes from, they can still have an Aussie accent. I work with a guy who looks just like foo man choo. But talk to him on the phone and you wouldnt have a clue!! No I didnt mean to rhym. :

Jack, you speak loud and clear, you don't need to keep explaining yourself to "politically correct" nitpickers, they also understand but feel the need to make an issue of it.

[Van D]

The English test IMO is in whole, a good idea.

It's basically a way though for the Government to control the refugees and who they want in the country. Not long ago they changed now the law that even if you arrive on MAINLAND Australia, you still cannot claim refugee status (as apposed to having been an off shore island). You might of heard the stink Indonesia (I think) kicked up from the people coming over from New Guienea..

So really, now the Government can control who is a refugee and/or allowed citizenship from not only how they land, but also their ECONOMIC background. Who do you think doesn't speak English? It's not a certain country, it's poorer people in those countries. If your in a foreign country, and got $$ then you're able to learn English. Therefore, your able to come to Australia. If you're poor, you've got a lot less chance of learning English in a non-English speaking country, and therefore, would be unable to get into Australia.

It's mainly a way of keeping poor refugee's and citizens of other country's out.. Which, I suppose is good thing in most ways.. But I don't think the person in some other country wanting a new start/chance in life, whilst been shot at in the streets from civil war etc is going to have much chance of learning our language.

My $0.02

[jonbays]

Hell no its run by politicians

[MO]

An interesting thread...no I do not trust the current govt'....the pistol in question with Pte Kavcol I believe was a 9mmBrowning.

As for the min wage the new body is already talking of taking the min of 12.50 down to 10.00 p/h.

As for citizen test...does'nt America already do this and has done for many years.

That will do me as I don't wish to incur the wroth of the team.

[pertuan]

Originally Posted by popinfresh

The English test IMO is in whole, a good idea.

It's basically a way though for the Government to control the refugees and who they want in the country. Not long ago they changed now the law that even if you arrive on MAINLAND Australia, you still cannot claim refugee status (as apposed to having been an off shore island). You might of heard the stink Indonesia (I think) kicked up from the people coming over from New Guienea..

So really, now the Government can control who is a refugee and/or allowed citizenship from not only how they land, but also their ECONOMIC background. Who do you think doesn't speak English? It's not a certain country, it's poorer people in those countries. If your in a foreign country, and got $$ then you're able to learn English. Therefore, your able to come to Australia. If you're poor, you've got a lot less chance of learning English in a non-English speaking country, and therefore, would be unable to get into Australia.

It's mainly a way of keeping poor refugee's and citizens of other country's out.. Which, I suppose is good thing in most ways.. But I don't think the person in some other country wanting a new start/chance in life, whilst been shot at in the streets from civil war etc is going to have much chance of learning our language.

My $0.02

As I understand it, the test only applies if you want to be a citizen. People wanting to come to Australia don't have to do an english test.

[pertuan]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

An interesting thread...no I do not trust the current govt'....the pistol in question with Pte Kavcol I believe was a 9mmBrowning.

Thats correct. A standard issue ADF Browning MK4 9mm pistol. These things are old... One of the CPOBs told me that they used these things (or an older version of it anyway) in WW2.

[bradburd]

I tend to be thinking that way two

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

but then, understand why they need to keep some things to themselves.

Like Area 51 :alien2: :hihi: