Australia lags behind on emission control

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by fg_nitro

Yeah but no one seems to be able to tell me what they spend the "tax" on?

The way politicians always spend our money,
making themselves look good in election years,
while doing Sweet FA for the community.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

American CAFE rules and Emission controls are a joke because average vehicle miles
have actually increased approximately 50% since CAFE started in 1976.
Drivers use the savings to travel further, not reduce total consumption.
Only a strong gas tax will kerb American driving habits.

That might be to do with the cars that have qualified have decreased in fuel consumption, so people move to the cars that don't qualify, or even require an EPA average fuel consumption estimate. I think that is changing though. I don't think we need more taxes. Isn't that Kevin Rudd's solution to everything? We could just put electric motors in pickups, have a tiny 4 cyl to charge the batteries, and we could have better performance and 50-80mpg. That would be the best short-term solution until fuel cell technology becomes viable. I think taxing people to stop driving is a stupid idea. Something that belongs in London.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

That might be to do with the cars that have qualified have decreased in fuel consumption, so people move to the cars that don't qualify, or even require an EPA average fuel consumption estimate. I think that is changing though. I don't think we need more taxes. Isn't that Kevin Rudd's solution to everything? We could just put electric motors in pickups, have a tiny 4 cyl to charge the batteries, and we could have better performance and 50-80mpg. That would be the best short-term solution until fuel cell technology becomes viable. I think taxing people to stop driving is a stupid idea. Something that belongs in London.

Not what I meant, the average annual distance traveled in all vehicles has
increased significantly compared to 1976. People are using fuel economy
improvements to travel further, not reduce national fuel consumption.

In that area the EPA and CAFE are not doing what they were set up to achieve,
a reduction in the national consumption of petroleum products and total pollution from them.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Australia lags behind in everything, technology is a big one.

Who cares about emissions, lets get the things that directly effect our lives NOW, up to scratch.

Also WHY do we compare ourselves to overseas all the time? We're Australians, not Europeans. Oh the Europeans do this, oh the Japanese do that? Last time I recalled, we live in Australia. How about we do the things that suit our market, so what if we make cars that pollute and use heaps of fuel, thats what we buy and enjoy.

I am glad you are not in charge of anything at Ford.
An attitude like that would have killed off the local car industry years ago.
Talk about small minded.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Not what I meant, the average annual distance traveled in all vehicles has
increased significantly compared to 1976. People are using fuel economy
improvements to travel further, not reduce national fuel consumption.

I see, I wonder if part of that are lifestyle changes with each generation. People just like to travel a lot more in general now. If driving was free, I probably wouldn't stop

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I see, I wonder if part of that are lifestyle changes with each generation. People just like to travel a lot more in general now. If driving was free, I probably wouldn't stop

I can see why and I'm green with envy....that F Truck looks so beautiful...

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I can see why and I'm green with envy....that F Truck looks so beautiful...

Thanks mate! I pulled a Chevy Tahoe today with it....oh I should have taken a pic!
I really need to change my username now! haha

[Bobman]

Emissions cause cancer. Pollution causes health problems.

That's before we even start discussing Global warming, so any reduction in emissions will improve our health. How thick are some people to say reducing this is stupid!?

[jpd80]

Once you start down the (FWD) dark path,
forever will it dominate your destiny,
consume you it will.

Yoda

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Emissions cause cancer. Pollution causes health problems.

That's before we even start discussing Global warming, so any reduction in emissions will improve our health. How thick are some people to say reducing this is stupid!?

But everything causes cancer these days if you listen to the media, especially TT or ACA. The way they scare monger about it makes you wonder how we live past the age of 5.

[GTpilot]

seesh, I don't see cows having to meet euro 5.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

seesh, I don't see cows having to meet euro 5.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by UNR8D

LOL, yea ok, ill believe that when they show the CO2 vs per 100,000 population and see if we are still the biggest polluters, they might have more efficient cars, but they travel FAR less and have alot more population.

and how can they be saying that car manufactures would/could be happy? we have a 1800kg falcon that is capable of Camry fuel economy?... they have gone mad.

LTD that post is 100% my feelings as well.

yeah, i've given up trying to give a flying f... australia's population is so low i don't know how they managed to come up with the OP's topic.

Statistics can be made to prove anything, 13% of all people know that...

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

seesh, I don't see cows having to meet euro 5.

Don't think they won't try. they'll at least TAX farmers for it.

Bobman, i agree. The govt should drop 'Carbon' from their carbon pollution reduction scheme and just have a pollution reduction scheme. ie get the bloody point~where the real problems are.