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30-11-2015, 10:33 AM | #31 | ||
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This is true, however the examples you are perhaps speaking of relate to factual scientific discoveries in an era where new knowledge clashed with church dogma. These 'activists' are not disseminating fact, but ideology in order to advance the vested interests of people or groups who have their own agenda to unleash. Many of these marchers have no interest in addressing climate concerns at all. The fact that all probably have a 'carbon footprint' as big as mine or even bigger attests to that. They are marching to advance the cause of socialism which is the overarching umbrella that binds all the niche interest groups together and promises to legitimise their mostly deviant or socially destructive causes...
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30-11-2015, 11:30 AM | #32 | ||
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Climate change or no climate change who knows, does it really matter if we can run things to a comparable price and its cleaner with better for air quality why not.
They been making our cars run cleaner for air quality improvements since 70's.
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30-11-2015, 11:49 AM | #33 | ||
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That's all good and well Spooly, but short of clean nuclear (fast breeder fission), solar, wind and hydro are not able to provide baseload generating capacity.
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30-11-2015, 12:01 PM | #34 | ||
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Might be worth making it mandatory that all new houses as of 2020 require at minimum a 7.5KW solar setup, then you could reduce your load during the day when everyone is feeding back into the grid.
Whats an extra $15K on $400K that it costs you for a small house and land lackage? |
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30-11-2015, 12:02 PM | #35 | |||
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30-11-2015, 01:07 PM | #36 | |||
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And heading into this El Nino, you may actually be glad that a government had the foresight to construct one.
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30-11-2015, 01:08 PM | #37 | |||
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30-11-2015, 01:15 PM | #38 | ||
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It's not impossible to run on non nuclear clean energy. European countries are doing it, even selling off their clean energy and importing other countries rubbish to recycle.
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30-11-2015, 02:53 PM | #39 | ||
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I read somewhere recently that solar power costs about the same as energy derived (and delivered ?) from coal.
If that is true then we don't need to have a carbon tax, remove the greasy palmed subsidies paid to the coal companies and Bob's your uncle. And sending electricity vast distances out to remote towns and communities through poles and wires is bloody ridiculous if it could easily be replaced with solar panels, wind turbines and Tesla style batteries. The problem is that the power companies were given guarantees of future revenue when they signed the contracts. They are the ones behind the axing of the rebate schemes and solar panel subsidies, and probably are behind the anti wind farm hysteria. That Australia is not creating at least 75% of its energy needs from renewable sources right now is an embarrassment to the nation and an obvious sign that we are living in an authoritarian corporate oligarchy. Far more embarrassing than an assorted mob of noisy, socially concerned citizens exercising a little democracy. |
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30-11-2015, 03:18 PM | #40 | ||
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I'd love to see how much energy is required to manufacture a Tesla-style battery and how much of an impact sourcing the raw materials has on the environment.
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30-11-2015, 04:10 PM | #41 | |||
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30-11-2015, 04:14 PM | #42 | |||
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Decent battery bank of 12V lead acid batteries and a big solar setup, my hippy dream. |
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30-11-2015, 04:19 PM | #43 | |||
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How about manufacturing batteries from scratch? How much energy is used to recycle SLA batteries? |
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30-11-2015, 05:08 PM | #44 | ||
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30-11-2015, 05:26 PM | #45 | ||
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people say global warming is bs, wheres the proof? alan jones says this all the time. so we just blindly agree? cause its more convenient?
they say the science is in, its right, we hear. and then we hear it big money manipulating things. im a bit confused. im going to support the kale and fancy coffee drinkers. new technology is coming along all the time. and these are pioneering times in this field. im happy i got solar at my place. |
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30-11-2015, 05:48 PM | #46 | |||
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I'm all for renewable energy, not because I believe in man made global warming (I am a believer in natural global warming as it has happened in the past in a much larger scale) but because if we can make our own power without raping the earth then why not do it? If it gets to the point where enough people are doing it then cost is no longer an issue. |
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30-11-2015, 05:56 PM | #47 | ||
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30-11-2015, 06:06 PM | #48 | ||
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I dont really know is there is allot of science behind global warming as it is more speculation weither its the earths natural cycle or human made scenario. However o-zone depletion is real, however as long as the montreal protocol is followed global its projected to be healed in some cases by 2050.
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30-11-2015, 06:14 PM | #49 | ||
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Haha no, I just happen to know people that were involved in designing and building the Thomson dam in the 1980's. They are the ones that know that the rivers that can be dammed already are.
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30-11-2015, 08:10 PM | #51 | |||
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All you need is a small scale desal plant to use the solar capacity once the batteries are charged up....else it's wasted power. Then you are truly "off grid".... Got one right in the shed behind me Damo. (Was going to build an expensive hole/dam to catch water but desal was cheaper and guaranteed to work especially when it doesn't rain) |
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30-11-2015, 08:41 PM | #52 | ||
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I'm not sure if I follow the logic. When you weight up the financial benefits involved with debunking global warming in order to maintain a multi trillion dollar energy industry vs a bunch of scientists with physical data and some hippies concerned about it, I'm failing to see the popular consensus here.
Why would any government introduce taxes that they know are unpopular? They have a motive for re-election don't they?
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30-11-2015, 09:46 PM | #54 | |||
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30-11-2015, 10:13 PM | #55 | ||
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Whilst connecting the Eastern Fwy to the Tullamarine Fwy is a good idea, the one proposed by the blue team would have bankrupted the government in very short order. It was shrouded in secrecy since day dot and the cost to the state would have made the daily payments to the AquaSure consortium look like chump change.
Solving Melbourne's transport woes will require a combination of freeways moving commercial traffic and heavy rail based public transport moving commuter traffic. |
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30-11-2015, 10:20 PM | #56 | ||
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From climate to traffic, keep the thread on track or it will be closed.
The rest is for the ballot box.
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30-11-2015, 10:24 PM | #57 | ||
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I see where you're coming from Spooly, the others and I were just trying to make the point that a massive wealth redistribution is not the way to sort out any anthropogenic climate change issues and the desal plants came about as a response to perceived climate change issues at the time.
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30-11-2015, 11:06 PM | #58 | |||
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30-11-2015, 11:12 PM | #59 | ||
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Yeah they actually did. The "Millenium Drought" was blamed on anthropogenic climate change. Except back then it was being referred to as global warming. The name then changed to carbon pollution and it has since morphed into the current climate change.
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30-11-2015, 11:28 PM | #60 | ||||
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