F6 vs R8

[AMT]

Why are 99% of holden drivers Tools.......????? But yeah not a real good test to go by......

[Falcon Coupe]

LS1 don't take any sort of defeat easy, it was not a real test, but as was mentioned, if it were the other way round it would be a real world comparison.

[XRQTR]

Run in Shmun in, you need to stop playing with your tools boys, the XR6 got its first hot shot in first at a set of lights with less than 15km's on it, straight from the dealers and I was running late to get back to work. Before she had done 200km's she was bouncing off the limiter, and yes she is still running fine almost 140,000km's later.

As for correct run in procedure ensuring optimal efficiency, I did Newcastle to Kalkallo which is 20km's short of 1000, so 980km if you failed maths on the one tank. She does a 15.2 flat with only a chip and cat back consistently so certainly no lack in power when compared to cars with more bolt ons and other mods are placed in the equation.

I read this comparison on the XRt forum and as far as I recall both were dissapointed with the R8 and not only on the outright power of the car, so I think the anal pirates need to find a new flag to fly, possibly a white one.

edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way

Lol I was gonna say 140,000kms would be a more than a lot for a BA or BF.

[dps]

My 2 bobs worth. Firstly - I consider myself a Ford man. At the moment I have a VYII S coming out of lease and recently test drove a Typhoon and VE SS (both auto's) as replacements. My take:
Performance - Typhoon by a bees diaphragm, love the in-gear acceleration. But the VE also really goes so I would love either.
Sound - SS V8. But I'm embarrassed to admit this was my first (and only) drive of a V8. I found myself on and off the throttle just to hear that tune. So I guess I can't afford the fuel for any V8.
Exterior - VE. VE's look hot everywhere but the front - looks like Godzilla (big square jaw). But love the quad exhaust and overall shape. Typhoon looks a bit old now, should have twin exhaust and something 'special' about the bonnet like air vents.
Interior - Typhoon. Bright, classy and yet sporty. Not a fan of the steering wheel though. I found the VE drab and the red lighting horrible. Much prefer the Calais interior, really classy. But I found VE's have terrible visibility. The drivers side A pillar (I think that is what it is called) looks like a chunk of 4x2. It has an airbag in it which you will need because you will hit things in this car - blind spots everywhere. I had to move my head around all over the place trying to get a view to get through a roundabout. The rear view is like looking through postage stamp.
Resale - I'm guessing the Typhoon will hold it's value better than the 'standard' Holden models I'm considering (Calais V8, not V; SS V). Haven't considered HSV models as they seem too expensive and not worth the extra $15K+ over the base models.
Final verdict -
V8 Calais (not V, but specced up with sports gear) - great value for money, resale value could be a problem and huge negative over driver visibility (for me anyway).
Typhoon - expensive but resale should hold OK as exclusive (can buy for $22k in 3 years time and sell), no visibility issue as per VE.
So I'm coming back home - and to a Typhoon (well maybe an XR6T if the missus gets wind of the cost of a 'phoon!).

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by dps

My 2 bobs worth. Firstly - I consider myself a Ford man. At the moment I have a VYII S coming out of lease and recently test drove a Typhoon and VE SS (both auto's) as replacements. My take:
Performance - Typhoon by a bees diaphragm, love the in-gear acceleration. But the VE also really goes so I would love either.
Sound - SS V8. But I'm embarrassed to admit this was my first (and only) drive of a V8. I found myself on and off the throttle just to hear that tune. So I guess I can't afford the fuel for any V8.
Exterior - VE. VE's look hot everywhere but the front - looks like Godzilla (big square jaw). But love the quad exhaust and overall shape. Typhoon looks a bit old now, should have twin exhaust and something 'special' about the bonnet like air vents.
Interior - Typhoon. Bright, classy and yet sporty. Not a fan of the steering wheel though. I found the VE drab and the red lighting horrible. Much prefer the Calais interior, really classy. But I found VE's have terrible visibility. The drivers side A pillar (I think that is what it is called) looks like a chunk of 4x2. It has an airbag in it which you will need because you will hit things in this car - blind spots everywhere. I had to move my head around all over the place trying to get a view to get through a roundabout. The rear view is like looking through postage stamp.
Resale - I'm guessing the Typhoon will hold it's value better than the 'standard' Holden models I'm considering (Calais V8, not V; SS V). Haven't considered HSV models as they seem too expensive and not worth the extra $15K+ over the base models.
Final verdict -
V8 Calais (not V, but specced up with sports gear) - great value for money, resale value could be a problem and huge negative over driver visibility (for me anyway).
Typhoon - expensive but resale should hold OK as exclusive (can buy for $22k in 3 years time and sell), no visibility issue as per VE.
So I'm coming back home - and to a Typhoon (well maybe an XR6T if the missus gets wind of the cost of a 'phoon!).

haha thats what we like to hear :1syellow1

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by dps

Typhoon - expensive but resale should hold OK as exclusive (can buy for $22k in 3 years time and sell), no visibility issue as per VE.

Do you mean to say that you think they will go down to $22K in 3 years time?? They're not a HSV bud, LMFAO.

They are already on 2 years old now and have dropped about $10K-$15K, the HSV equivalent does that in the first 6 months alone and then drops to about half its original value in about 3-4 years, depending of course on k's travelled and condition, but as a general rule it can be applied to most HSV's across the board.

I may be biased in saying that I think the early F6 will retain far greater value than the early BA GT, although they are doing quite well also, only because they are the first 'factory production line produced' turbo to come out of Broadmeadows. Flame suit on In some respects this can be likened to the XR GT being the first, in the same way they were and instant hit with those that got in early in respects to power and drivability, mechanical faults aside, and have converted more HSV owners than any model before it.

I commend Ford and FPV for not upping the power with every model release as GM and HSV do with every upgrade, this will only go to further the resale values in that apart from cosmetics and any engineering/mechanical additions they are effectively the same car. Prime example would be the 911 Porsche, the body shape can still be seen today but Porsche stuck with it for about 25 years and an early 912 4 cylinder in showroom condition is actually quite a sort after car, not the same thing I know but it goes to prove a point.

[Charliewool]

Love to know just how many of our esteemed guru performance evaluators on here (OR LS1.com) have actually DRIVEN both the VE R8 & F6???

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

A Run in F6 againts a tight new demo car.

Thats wat a demo car is for my friend im sure it has had a hard short life and has been run in

[flappist]

Geez, it is just as bad here....

Here are the FACTS.

Two guys grabbed two STANDARD cars not specially prepared journalist cars or fitted withe every bolt on possible and every removable item taken out to lower weight and they took them out somewhere and played with them in exactly the same way as many of us here have done on the odd occasion.

The thread starter then posted his results, observations and methodology.

There was screaming crying and gnashing of teeth when the observed result was not what the zealots expected. A million excuses were proffered.

I pointed the thread out to show some of the one eyed zealotry only to come back and find that it is alive and well of AFF too.

Going on the basic test. They both stomped it up to 100km/h. There were no special tyres, launch techniques, secret handshakes or whatever.

The F6 beat the R8 100 percent of the time. Whether it was cold, hot, raining, run in, run out or run over is irrelevent.......that is what happened.

[BadMac]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

New engines or correctly built engines are built to "running" tollerences from day one... Ive seen engines do 3/4hr dyno work to run in the cam and tune it then hit the race track.
Modern day engines are no different, they're built to running tollerences, baby them and they'll be lemons.

Since we so nearly agree, i'll expand MY OPINION one more time and call it a draw.

Race engines are built to fine tollerances, they are designed from the outset to have everything as perfect as budget allows (hence a formula one engine running at 18,000rpm, try that on your I6, 5.4 or LS1/2). They are surposed to come off the dyno (after a small bed in and warm through then race. Think of a drag engine, often they are rebuilt between runs, they perform at there best immediately after the rebuild. At the very top end, drag engines are designed to only turn their cranks a few thousand times (8,000RPM for 5 seconds (1/4 mile) = 400 Revolutions for a top fuel dragster!!!).

Factory engines are just assemble lines, low paid grunts (huge generalisation) slapping things together. They will never be optimal, some will slip through with better charateristics and some will be dogs, hence some cars that do exceptional times and some which just cause greif.

With run in time and loosening up the average engine will "get into its groove" and produce better power, the better built the engine initially (closer to optimal tolerances) the sooner that will happen. :

[DJM83]

There is a guy over on ls1.com saiyng that the VE was hard done by because it only had 10k km but infact the F6 had only 9k kms goes to show you how much smart they are over there

[BadMac]

Originally Posted by flappist

Geez, it is just as bad here....

Here are the FACTS.

Two guys grabbed two STANDARD cars not specially prepared journalist cars or fitted withe every bolt on possible and every removable item taken out to lower weight and they took them out somewhere and played with them in exactly the same way as many of us here have done on the odd occasion.

The thread starter then posted his results, observations and methodology.

There was screaming crying and gnashing of teeth when the observed result was not what the zealots expected. A million excuses were proffered.

I pointed the thread out to show some of the one eyed zealotry only to come back and find that it is alive and well of AFF too.

Going on the basic test. They both stomped it up to 100km/h. There were no special tyres, launch techniques, secret handshakes or whatever.

The F6 beat the R8 100 percent of the time. Whether it was cold, hot, raining, run in, run out or run over is irrelevent.......that is what happened.

So using your logic, I can go down to my local Ford dealer take a F6 for a test drive (I have driven 2 so far while trying to decide between F6, VE R8 or VE CalaisV, so he will be willing to give me their demo again). Grab my neighbour with his VY SS Ute and You will accept the results as the final word on whether a F6 is top dog or beaten by Holdens pretend performance car. I'm willing to do it if it will shut you up.

Problem is if the car you own and are biased in favour of, doesn't beat the cheaper Holden then you will claim unfair test and bias on my part because I couldn't launch a F6 optimally (read other threads to see many such claims), or I had a dog car, or any of the other factors which people in this thread have stated. However since I will write it up and publish the result of the test, it will be official and conclusive.

And the only reason you pointed out the thread was to be able to say, see how those Holden Zealots react because you are the type who needs constant reassurance that your relgion is the best and the only way you can find that afformation is by putting down everybody elses. One day you will grow up and realise its only a car and its just like all the others, it will always be outpreformed by something you cannot afford and will be missundertood by 99% of people who only see it as a convient way of getting from A to B.

The very fact that many people on this thread and the LS1 thread and the similar FAF one are saying what they are is because its correct. That doesn't make them zealots, in fact it makes you the zealot. The only people who seem to think this "test" proves anything are the Zealots.

As has been said, show a magazine test, with both cars back to back using same drivers on same tracks at the same time and the result will have meaning, oh thats right Motor did it with the SS and the F6 lost, so we will discard that one because Motor is biased, or at least is if the F6 loses.

[Flamesuit=on]

[BadMac]

Originally Posted by TE50 056

There is a guy over on ls1.com saiyng that the VE was hard done by because it only had 10k km but infact the F6 had only 9k kms goes to show you how much smart they are over there

You better check again, the F6 had 9000km on it.

[Charliewool]

In Australia "k" is ONE thousand cobber

[Falcon Coupe]

From thread starter.

R8 had done 10km, yip brand new.. F6 had done 9000km).

[XA-Coupe]

As much as it's supposedly a 'real world test' no one even knows who the people who did it are.
So many angry people over something thats probably a fairy tale, true or not.

[Sledgehammer]

Thats not out blonk posting over their, is it? ......shame on you.......

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by BadMac

You better check again, the F6 had 9000km on it.

Thats what i posted 9k kms (9000kms) perhaps you should read it properly :
And yes i was wrong i misred it my bad. Mods can u delete my posts in this thread thankyou

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Thats not out blonk posting over their, is it? ......shame on you.......

If you look mate there is quite afew guys that own fords and that are on here that post over there i signed up because i wanted some info on VE and thought it would be the best place (and no im not buying one im just curious) and i wanted some HSV pics as i hadnt really seen any good ones and see what people that own VE's are saying about them

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Thats not out blonk posting over their, is it? ......shame on you.......

Sure sounds like our Blonk! :evilsasmo

[SNB05T]

typical holden sooks, what did they expect thier million dollar fuel leaking peice of crap was a serious contender to the f6. the r8 is just a sl&t version of the ss. even my near stock 03 xr8 can flog the a@se of an r8. i can safely say that even my brothers ralliart magna can beat them.
holden, accept it, deal with it and move on, better still buy a ford hehe :

[flappist]

Originally Posted by BadMac

So using your logic, I can go down to my local Ford dealer take a F6 for a test drive (I have driven 2 so far while trying to decide between F6, VE R8 or VE CalaisV, so he will be willing to give me their demo again). Grab my neighbour with his VY SS Ute and You will accept the results as the final word on whether a F6 is top dog or beaten by Holdens pretend performance car. I'm willing to do it if it will shut you up.

Problem is if the car you own and are biased in favour of, doesn't beat the cheaper Holden then you will claim unfair test and bias on my part because I couldn't launch a F6 optimally (read other threads to see many such claims), or I had a dog car, or any of the other factors which people in this thread have stated. However since I will write it up and publish the result of the test, it will be official and conclusive.

And the only reason you pointed out the thread was to be able to say, see how those Holden Zealots react because you are the type who needs constant reassurance that your relgion is the best and the only way you can find that afformation is by putting down everybody elses. One day you will grow up and realise its only a car and its just like all the others, it will always be outpreformed by something you cannot afford and will be missundertood by 99% of people who only see it as a convient way of getting from A to B.

The very fact that many people on this thread and the LS1 thread and the similar FAF one are saying what they are is because its correct. That doesn't make them zealots, in fact it makes you the zealot. The only people who seem to think this "test" proves anything are the Zealots.

As has been said, show a magazine test, with both cars back to back using same drivers on same tracks at the same time and the result will have meaning, oh thats right Motor did it with the SS and the F6 lost, so we will discard that one because Motor is biased, or at least is if the F6 loses.

[Flamesuit=on]

No, what that would show would be in YOUR test, liket the other test using the parameters displayed the car that won, won YOUR test.

It does not show either car to be better or TOP DOG or whatever nomeclature you wish to use.

Again you, like many others seem to be bitter and twisted that in a random test the result was not what you wanted. Stiff bickies.

As far as magazine tests. The problem is that the tested cars are provided directly by the manufactures and one of these manufacturers has ACTUALLY BEEN CAUGHT warming up their candidate, not suspected although that has happend meny times but ACTUALLY CAUGHT.

You do a bit of reading of magazine tests over the last five years and see if you can work out who.......

Of course you you will need TWO eyes to read it because one eyed trolls tend to miss these things.

[Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Sure sounds like our Blonk! :evilsasmo

What I thought, Now I hope thats not true, about looking at the other brand and all, but knowing Blonk, the actions a ways away yet in old Blonktime... but then again I heard that daylight savings starts in NSW?.....An hour closer for Blonk ......

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by dan b

typical holden sooks, what did they expect thier million dollar fuel leaking peice of crap was a serious contender to the f6. the r8 is just a sl&t version of the ss. even my near stock 03 xr8 can flog the a@se of an r8. i can safely say that even my brothers ralliart magna can beat them.
holden, accept it, deal with it and move on, better still buy a ford hehe :

what do you call near stock? :voldar02:

[BadMac]

Originally Posted by charliewool

In Australia "k" is ONE thousand cobber

Yeah i missed that. my mistake. Sorry m8.

[XR_Lightning]

not surprised at the result of those tests F6 vs. R8, the F6's are just a ******* awesome car, I have had the honour to drive a whole lot of brand new Typhoons and the pull of those cars are just stupid, it never ends, the F6 Typhoon will defientely be my future dream car, if I can find one that hasnt been thrashed way too bad, but that would be hard because whenever you are at the wheel of one of those beasts you cant help giving it a good running through

[fordAU]

Pointless thread, both are outstanding examples of a local product.

Have driven a VE SS, not an R8, very competent vehicle.

Don't care how fast the 6 is, if buying atm it would be a BF GT, only a V8 for me.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by dan b

typical holden sooks, what did they expect thier million dollar fuel leaking peice of crap was a serious contender to the f6. the r8 is just a sl&t version of the ss. even my near stock 03 xr8 can flog the a@se of an r8. i can safely say that even my brothers ralliart magna can beat them.
holden, accept it, deal with it and move on, better still buy a ford hehe :

Wow! What a wonderfully intelligent and well thought out post!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by fordAU

Pointless thread, both are outstanding examples of a local product.

Have driven a VE SS, not an R8, very competent vehicle.

Don't care how fast the 6 is, if buying atm it would be a BF GT, only a V8 for me.

The original point of the thread, which has now degenerated into yet another 6v8/HvF slanging match, was to highlight all the beating up when the original ls1 thread starter detailed his PERSONAL observations when he played with a R8 and a F6.

It did not have anything to do with which is better or worse or whatever but even here many have burred up and done exactly what I was lampooning the original thread for.