performance difference between BA & AU XR8 - Page 2

Casper · 12-06-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shepv8

Dont want to offend any one but it seems that people buy 6's ( N/A, turbos dont count in these arguments) and then spend every cent and minute of their time trying to make them quicker than V8's.Why didnt u just buy an 8 to begin with......

I can explain my reasoning.
I got an I6 because its all been done with V8's and the difference in power dollar for dollar is in the I6's favour. The V8 has been done to its limits, the I6 hasnt. It simply was more interesting to do the I6.

If your argument is that the V8 is quicker then my response is simply why bother with an V8 Ford at all? Why not get an old 911 and do it up? It would kill nearly all Ford v8's anyhow. So would many other cars like Skylines or even VL-T's.

Sometimes doing something interesting is better than just doing it as fast as you can (oh, and yes, I owned an EB V8 for 6 years so I know what its like to have a V8 too)

sednwol · 12-06-2006, 07:39 PM

I guess it's off to the track boys to put the cars to the test!

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xd5.8l · 12-06-2006, 07:40 PM

I admire the I6 but it just doesn't spin up fast enough and lacks top end tractibility something that has been rectified with the BA. Forced induction is the only alternative.
Those mild I6's go through alot more fuel then a stock Windsor with the same power output so why bother. The V8 has more punch through the bottom half of the rev no matter what you do to the I6 (atmo).

Casper · 12-06-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xd5.8l

Those mild I6's go through alot more fuel then a stock Windsor with the same power output so why bother. The V8 has more punch through the bottom half of the rev no matter what you do to the I6 (atmo).

Yeah.. and yet my auto mild I6 still managed to beat your FTE manual V8 at Heathcote.. Not sure why you bothered either?

0-100.. your V8 is lunch.

And before you say it.. 14.4 isnt going to be enough, you will need to go a lot faster than that my friend.

OzJavelin · 12-06-2006, 07:43 PM

In my youth I used to fang about in a few 265 Hemi-powered Valiants, which tended to scare the "modern" cars of that day .. VK-VL Commodore V8s (Ford had SFA of any use at that time). When EFI VN V8s came out I basically gave up uspetting modern cars (VL turbos were pretty thin on the ground in my neck of the woods. Later I owned a couple of 351C-powered Falcons which would give VR-VRs SSs a good run, but used twice the amount of fuel doing it)

Anyway, six cyls can be great fun, but they will aways be the poor-cousin to V8s.

BTW: Today one of my neighbours in a BA ute decided to give me the sihts by sitting up my *** on the trip into town. I think he thought my AU V8 was a "poor cousin" to his awesome BA. At every intercection (100km/h zone) I punched the 'old 175kw Windsor and he instantly reacted with the awesome 182kw Barra ..... the Windsor would pull away up to 100km/h. I was happy ...

xd5.8l · 12-06-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Yeah.. and yet my auto mild I6 still managed to beat your FTE manual V8 at Heathcote.. Not sure why you bothered either?

0-100.. your V8 is lunch.

And before you say it.. 14.4 isnt going to be enough, you will need to go a lot faster than that my friend.

What do you mean why I bothered. A good driver is someone who knows how to nurse their vehicle but at the same time extract its full potential.

That day was a shakedown or test day for me so I don't know why you keep on harping on about it. I was checking at which revs I can dump the clutch without bagging up the rears in the process.

Casper · 12-06-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xd5.8l

What do you mean why I bothered. A good driver is someone who knows how to nurse their vehicle but at the same time extract its full potential.

That day was a shakedown or test day for me so I don't know why you keep on harping on about it. I was checking at which revs I can dump the clutch without bagging up the rears in the process.

I was taking a point from your own post:

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Originally Posted by xd5.8l

Those mild I6's go through alot more fuel then a stock Windsor with the same power output so why bother.

As for harping on about it.. I was one of the SLOW I6's there. If you check the records you will find that with the exception of the BOSS V8's, the I6's were quicker than the Windsors. In fact this is usually the case.

Dont write of the I6's so flippently.. they often are there to hand you your ***.

12-06-2006, 08:03 PM

to get a 6 going it needs a hair dryer.
without it, it's just toast.

Casper · 12-06-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hold-on

to get a 6 going it needs a hair dryer.
without it, it's just toast.

yeah.. right. And your best ET in a road car is?

12-06-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

yeah.. right. And your best ET in a road car is?

road reg
n/a?
or forced?

galaxy xr8 · 12-06-2006, 08:13 PM

Either way they both have their potential's, I am a V8 man through and through but I do admire a stout 6, but to get there it comes at a cost either way, we all have fun and that's all that matter's, why do we need a mines bigger than your's atititude?.

shepv8 · 12-06-2006, 08:28 PM

dont get me wrong, the I6 is a great engine , and continues to get better with age. And lets be honest, if the old windsor had half the amount of R&D and $$$ developing as the current I6 ( yes , we all know the last 200/220 kw motors were expensive hand built units) then perhaps all the 6 boys may be a little bit quieter ........
Trouble is , someone does an exhaust, CAI on a six and then has a run along someone who: is a bad driver
has a dog of a vehicle
isnt trying in their 8
and thinks that is the ''be it all'' for us all.
I " beat" heaps of V8's in my 4cyl escort years ago...
For some reason, during the 90's ford kept pushing the 6 both development wise and funds wise ,while they kept importing the fairly stifled 8, which didnt even get any upgrade until the EL.

I guess to me it seems a little bit like ''little man syndrome'' where the small guy at the pub is always trying to prove to eveyone good he is.
For sure there are plenty of quick 6's, Casper's included, but the argument on this thread is for standard cars.Which gets back to the question , how can the heavier, less powerfull six be quicker.

xd5.8l · 12-06-2006, 08:29 PM

I6 is very thirsty when worked which makes the windsor the logical/rational performance choice. Agree with it or not Shane that is the sad truth.

On a different note I helped a mate buy a neat AU3 FUTURA 2002 model in barossa red. Next all FORD day in geelong their will be many pretty MINT AU's on display :voldar02:

**Professor Farnsworth** · 12-06-2006, 08:44 PM

lol @ all this bickering

why are we comparing v8's to stock i6's anyway ? ridiculous..

track times are what counts, but it is amusing seeing people exercise the whole 'i've got a v8 so i'm better than you' movement.

shepv8 · 12-06-2006, 08:50 PM

..But this thread started with a 6 owner saying it was better than his 8....
anyhoo , im over it( check motor magazine's test times for the 2 vehicles in question) or better still, its only $45 to put a car on WSID.

12-06-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shepv8

..But this thread started with a 6 owner saying it was better than his 8....
anyhoo , im over it( check motor magazine's test times for the 2 vehicles in question) or better still, its only $45 to put a car on WSID.

yes you r right

Casper · 12-06-2006, 09:02 PM

End result.. Stock Barra I6 v's Stock AU 220.. the Barra is lunch. Lock stock and 2 smoking barrels the AU will chomp him. Nothing to do with the configuration of the engines, just the facts. 220kw in a lighter body will beat 182kw in a heavier body.

The V8 is better than I6 argument (pre Boss V8) is so full of holes its pointless even discussing though. Individual cars are doing individual things. My I6 beats more V8's then it loses too.. but it does lose to some. Then again, those V8's can lose to other I6's who lose to other V8's ad nausium. The elitist "V8 is better" attitude amuses me.. especially when they get smoked by an I6 and make up excuses. Then again, the I6 is better always attitude is just as bad as the V8 is inevitably the more powerful option.. at a price.

12-06-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

End result.. Stock Barra I6 v's Stock AU 220.. the Barra is lunch. Lock stock and 2 smoking barrels the AU will chomp him. Nothing to do with the configuration of the engines, just the facts. 220kw in a lighter body will beat 182kw in a heavier body.

The V8 is better than I6 argument (pre Boss V8) is so full of holes its pointless even discussing though. Individual cars are doing individual things. My I6 beats more V8's then it loses too.. but it does lose to some. Then again, those V8's can lose to other I6's who lose to other V8's ad nausium. The elitist "V8 is better" attitude amuses me.. especially when they get smoked by an I6 and make up excuses. Then again, the I6 is better always attitude is just as bad as the V8 is inevitably the more powerful option.. at a price.

where can i get more info on the modular boss v8

Casper · 12-06-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hold-on

where can i get more info on the modular boss v8

This would be a good start I guess: http://www.fordforums.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=12

12-06-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

This would be a good start I guess: http://www.fordforums.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=12

r they all sohc any dohc
i have twelve units comming on wednsday for r&d
i just want heads up

Casper · 12-06-2006, 09:47 PM

you have 12 units arriving in 2 days and are not sure what they are?

xd5.8l · 12-06-2006, 09:51 PM

He doesn't need to their going to be used as boat anchors

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12-06-2006, 09:51 PM

in november i get three stan sainty engine's
no offence it's cheaper to destroy the ford unit's
in search for horse power

xd5.8l · 12-06-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TCK-098

well from my moments-
BA i6 wiped its *** clean-BA turbo"standard" i got two car advantage off the line and kept even until we decided to behave.

BA XR8 beat me 2-2.5 car lengths off the line and Au XR8 well the 185 i wipe its *** but the 220 there isnt much in it.

My car is I6 but what it says on paper and how the thing goes when you kick it is totally differant.

15.2 second windsor munching I6. :sm_headba FULLY SICK!!!!!!!

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Casper · 12-06-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xd5.8l

15.2 second windsor munching I6. :sm_headba FULLY SICK!!!!!!!

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ahahahhahaha.. Got to agree. 15.2 is not a V8 beater. Not normally anyhow. In "optimum" conditions a 14.xx is needed to dispose of a good percentage of the old V8's to be honest.

shepv8 · 12-06-2006, 10:14 PM

yeah Casper, u got it in one which is all I was trying to say before the discussion got messed up.
Look , I certainly dont have this so called "V8 elitiest" attitude others talk of, even though 8's are better!!!! ( sorry , had to do it)
But seriously, like I said ,plenty of quick 6's, especially those turbo's which I am really keen on.
Just feels like the old 80's argument of 8's VS rotaries, of which I totally detest riceburners even though some of them were very quick.No one really talks about rotaries that much these days in general automotive circles.
I wonder if the same will be said for 6's or 8's in a few years. Hope not

p.s before anyone else with a six fire's a salvo at me I used to love E-49's so dont think I dont appreciate a decent powerplant in a car.
Anyone who's still spiky go back and read Caspers last post

**FTE217** · 12-06-2006, 10:51 PM

oh how amusing this thread is....
This Jack and the Beanstalk stuff ! I'm over it,my 13yr old and 6 yrold make more sense...well sometimes lol......

cArSiK · 12-06-2006, 11:53 PM

In stock form , the 182 Kw BA should have its whipped.

When modified , I do believe this scenario will tell another story. All the technology in the BA I6 will more than make up for that 1L capacity.

fordAU · 13-06-2006, 02:51 PM

Not really a relevant discussion lads as others have pointed out, 2 very different vehicles.

The 220 has more power, more torque, IRS, better gearing and weighs less, it wins every time.

I love Tickford 6's, has an EL XR6 for years.
The vehicle was modded, loved that vehicle to bits but don't try to compare an XR6 to an XR8, a stock XR8 220 will absolutely flog an XR6, be it E-series, AU or BA/BF.

At the end of the day the only 6 that is equal is the XR6T, there is no way in the world that I would give up the V8 for a 6, nothing compares to that power/torque and exhaust note.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 13-06-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fordAU

Not really a relevant discussion lads as others have pointed out, 2 very different vehicles.

The 220 has more power, more torque, IRS, better gearing and weighs less, it wins every time.

I love Tickford 6's, has an EL XR6 for years.
The vehicle was modded, loved that vehicle to bits but don't try to compare an XR6 to an XR8, a stock XR8 220 will absolutely flog an XR6, be it E-series, AU or BA/BF.

At the end of the day the only 6 that is equal is the XR6T, there is no way in the world that I would give up the V8 for a 6, nothing compares to that power/torque and exhaust note.

The BA & BF have IRS too. Also the BF would have a far better chance due to better gearing than the BA (in the 6 speed auto form) and more power and torque. Also the traction control is fantastic on the BF, which would provide an advantage. Either way the 220 still wins, but comparing it to the BF is yet another kettle of fish.