NBN Pricing

[platinumXR]

Roll on NBN.

[Dusty1]

Here's mine:

Your line speed is 11.08 Mbps (11079 kbps).
Your download speed is 1.35 MB/s (1385 KB/s).

I'm happy with what I've got. Although I see the benefits in the NBN. I currently work from home, and many more will be able to as well. It is available now, but the flakiness of internet connection and trust issues stop this being taken up. Once the NBN is in place, the trust issues need to be tackled, but they will change (eventually). I pay $49.95 for 40 GB through Netspace.

Speed test says that I am faster than 76% of Oz. To me that's not fair and we all should be getting similar speeds no matter where we are. Unfortunately, we have a big country and a small population, so need a large network.

Wireless technology is about 15 years behind, and the reality with wireless is that when more people get on it, the slower it gets. That's if you can get on it, try using wireless in regional Victoria/NSW/QLD. I've tried with a dongle and iPhone and ended up sitting in MacDonalds. I even tried in Sydney at Darling Harbour using the iPhone and gave up.

Undoubtedly there will be new wireless access points which you will be able to link into and allow you to work securely, faster and better than you do now, anywhere. Also, don't forget that with faster internet, you can start to use more online software, so won't be tied to Microsoft any more. Open Office is pretty good, but the new offerings will be better. Open source will boom under the NBN.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

go to the Dodo site and test your number for 2+ - there are very few areas they don't service, as they just resell Telstra in a lot of places. Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.

He might be on a RIM. Or no ports available.


Im getting as fast as I can where I am. 20/1, 200 gig, uploads not counted for $59.

The thing with the NBN is that during peak times, you should (note, should) still get the advertised speeds. Even in off peak times on ADSL (1, 2, 2+), the advertised speed is only theoretical.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by fmc351

He might be on a RIM. Or no ports available.


Im getting as fast as I can where I am. 20/1, 200 gig, uploads not counted for $59.

The thing with the NBN is that during peak times, you should (note, should) still get the advertised speeds. Even in off peak times on ADSL (1, 2, 2+), the advertised speed is only theoretical.

yeah he might, but there's no harm in trying. There are many stories of people connecting to lower speeds than are available to them, even the CSR's don't know a lot of the time. If he's in an Optus area then it could be a port issue. A lot of the naked plans tend to use Optus infrastructure and personally i've always steered clear based on other peoples' experience.

[R1XSTA]

Here's my speed at work, Personally i think its okay, i don't notice much time duration in loading pages/images. but it struggles when multiple tabs are going up.




I cant wait for the NBN for the pure fact that it'll help all the rural country areas, which is the main reason its in existance. Us city slickers don't need it, and i find it unfair that we will be given the opportunity to take such a valuable resource away from those who need it most.

I can't wait for the opportunity to arise that those in the middle of no where can be closer to doctors and help if needed, and not be subjected to long wait times.

This day and age, city slickers like myself don't appreciate what we have.
if you have to wait 10mins in a line to watch a movie at the cinema, people whinge.
if you have to wait 10mins for your meal at mcdonalds, people whinge.

what about the people in the country, of whom have to drive nearly 2 hours for a local cinema to be able to get the luxuries that we have down at the local shops 20minutes away.

[trippytaka]

Wait until Australians take up the online movies straight to their TVs... the NBN will be a massive cash cow for the gvt. Just look at what has happened in USA. It's been MASSIVE.

Anyway, from a business point of view, and a nerd's view, I am stoked at the NBN. I can not wait. Bring it on. And at those prices? Bargain!

[mondo_broady]

Originally Posted by flappist

The world evolves and those who think ahead are the ones who will shape it....

Amen to that!!

as for those arguing about not putting money into other infrastructure or services (hospitals), how many of you are fully aware of what's going on around the country or even in just your area?? get your head out of the agenda driven Murdoch newspapers, stop listening to talk back radio sensationalism and actually do some research. it's mind boggling to see the amount of work going on around the place.

i attended a book launch earlier this week where a school principal spoke about how grateful they were to finally have been able to build new facilities at their school for the first time in over 30 years because of the governments program.

as i said earlier, the feds tried to take over responsibility for the hospital system nationwide but the states all rejected it...

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.

When purchasing anything, poor customer service is generally where the sale is lost. I struggle to know how Dodo still exist. They had a poor reputation back in the days of dial-up, and nothing has changed.

[Polyal]

Yes but it should have been left to the players in the market to improve. But hey, as mentioned, farmers will get quick p0rn so its all worth it.

No doubt some of the internet in Oz is rubbish, heck even 40mins out of Melb we couldnt get a hard connection (but I think that was the property developers problem). Anyway, we had wireless for a while and my god that was rubbish along with anything else that was telstra based.

There are far more important issues about than the speed of our internet, the market should pay itself if they want quicker internet, not force everyone into it.

Typically the people who need or want massive speeds already have it and pay for it; businesses just claim it as an expense anyway. Your normal family does not require 20MBPS, Im already running multiple external drives, speed is nice but storage is going to be a problem too unless your streaming all the time and then your going to eat your bandwidth pretty quickly.

You will use that base plan of 30GB in no time...200GB is a bit excessive. I cant remember what my connection is at the moment but I know the limit is 100GB, which is heaps, and top speed I ever get is about 800kb/s..which isnt huge but isnt really slow either. WTF do I want with anything more than that?

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yes but it should have been left to the players in the market to improve. But hey, as mentioned, farmers will get quick p0rn so its all worth it.

No doubt some of the internet in Oz is rubbish, heck even 40mins out of Melb we couldnt get a hard connection (but I think that was the property developers problem). Anyway, we had wireless for a while and my god that was rubbish along with anything else that was telstra based.

There are far more important issues about than the speed of our internet, the market should pay itself if they want quicker internet, not force everyone into it.

Typically the people who need or want massive speeds already have it and pay for it; businesses just claim it as an expense anyway. Your normal family does not require 20MBPS, Im already running multiple external drives, speed is nice but storage is going to be a problem too unless your streaming all the time and then your going to eat your bandwidth pretty quickly.

You will use that base plan of 30GB in no time...200GB is a bit excessive. I cant remember what my connection is at the moment but I know the limit is 100GB, which is heaps, and top speed I ever get is about 800kb/s..which isnt huge but isnt really slow either. WTF do I want with anything more than that?

The only experience I have had recently with the Telco market dictating infrastructure upgrades is Vodafone (sorry, Vodafail).

Telcos have not updated infrastructure and I doubt that they ever would. They are much happier with overcharging for status quo

[My poor XF]

Clearly you don't have to wait 10hrs just to download an update for your phone or computer.

The NBN will be able to do things that haven't even been thought of yet, the ability to move data quickly can open all sorts of doors.

Not everyone will use it but everyone will benefit!

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

The only experience I have had recently with the Telco market dictating infrastructure upgrades is Vodafone (sorry, Vodafail).

Telcos have not updated infrastructure and I doubt that they ever would. They are much happier with overcharging for status quo

Why would they spend a cent when the gov will?

I can see how the NBN will help some Aussies, fine, but in general it is massive overkill. This and the Carbon Tax....socialists

Surely they could have just looked at fixing the areas that needed attention first, no way would I look at "upgrading" when my current provider is more than adequate...im sure for the majority it would be the same.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by ch33z1l

When purchasing anything, poor customer service is generally where the sale is lost. I struggle to know how Dodo still exist. They had a poor reputation back in the days of dial-up, and nothing has changed.

yes but if you're tech savvy, and don't need to speak to the Manilla call centre, as i said the internet they supply is very reliable. I had ADSL with them in two locations, one completely rural and the other being suburban, and it went down twice in the 4 years, and not for very long either. The reason being as i also mentioned already that they use Telstra re-selling in many areas.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Why would they spend a cent when the gov will?

I can see how the NBN will help some Aussies, fine, but in general it is massive overkill. This and the Carbon Tax....socialists

Surely they could have just looked at fixing the areas that needed attention first, no way would I look at "upgrading" when my current provider is more than adequate...im sure for the majority it would be the same.

yes, also:

No one needs a telephone, when telegrams are adequate for most messages
No one needs a mobile phone, there are many public phone boxes
No one needs television (picture wireless) when the radio plays enough big-boppa for the whole family
No one needs a computer, calculators work just fine
No one needs the internet at all, newspapers and the TV tell us all the accurate and completely un-biased info we are told we need to know

I guess it's my IT background but just take my (and others here) word for it when i say that no matter how much bandwidth is offered to the consumer, it WILL be made use of, and WILL benefit the whole network, and the people accessing it. In 20 years people will be laughing at an archived version of this thread while posting about it on their 500Mbit+ connections.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by flappist

Ok, without the insults.......

Explain to me why, in terminology of 1995 (when dsl started), using only applications of the time (no such thing as social networking etc.) why there should be $bazillions spent on a 3G mobile phone system or copper based last mile technology when we had just spent $bazillion on the DMO and implementing RIMs into new developments?

Ask the Telco's why they spent "their" money doing this, I was their decision not mine.

Originally Posted by flappist

Or better still, why shift from analogue mobile phones to GSM when the analogue had far better range and tolerance to interference?

Ask Jeff Kennett and Andrew Peacock what they think of analogue phones.

Originally Posted by flappist

Some years ago a group of people in a position of influence in the only telco in Australia decided that FAX was of no real use and TELEX would be all people would ever need. They could not think of a situation where TELEX would not be the solution.

Dumb business decision.

Originally Posted by flappist

Do you think you could explain the advantages of e-mail to a group of 20 year olds in 1975?

Yes

Originally Posted by flappist

The world evolves and those who think ahead are the ones who will shape it....

Not necessary, making money/profit (and by default staying in business) is the key. Old technology doesn't mean it won’t make money, for example, prostitutes make money selling "old" wares

[SB076]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

The only experience I have had recently with the Telco market dictating infrastructure upgrades is Vodafone (sorry, Vodafail).

Telcos have not updated infrastructure and I doubt that they ever would. They are much happier with overcharging for status quo

I disagree I think when you compare internet speeds now compared to 5 years ago there has been a measureable improvement in the services and speed provided.

Whether the network would have been linked up and provided rural Australia a reasonable service I dont know.

I am always skeptical when governements get involved in major projects and a lot of them seem to fail (by fail I mean end up over budget, late or fail to deliver the specs intially set out) Unfortunately there are a lot of examples of failures.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by cheap

Ask the Telco's why they spent "their" money doing this, I was their decision not mine.



Ask Jeff Kennett and Andrew Peacock what they think of analogue phones.



Dumb business decision.



Yes



Not necessary, making money/profit (and by default staying in business) is the key. Old technology doesn't mean it won’t make money, for example, prostitutes make money selling "old" wares

The reason why the 100% Government owned Telecom Australia spent $bazillions on the DMO is that before this we had analog lines on poles.
Less than 10% of houses had telephones.

Australia has one of the least dense population in the developed world (you are obviously excepted) and in order to connect all of the new customers remote integrated multplexers were installed in the middle of new sites with a bearer, usually fibre, back to a central exchange.
This allowed an extremely low cost way of attaching thousands of services on quickly.

Unfortunately the DSL bit of ADSL is not very fibre friendly and while a 2Mb E1 could handle 30+ concurrent vioce connections it is still only 2Mb so highspeed data was difficult.

DMO was the first NBN which was 100% Government and the reason why there were affordable phones in the 80s.

[bungarra]

Mine out of Perth on Bigpond. Roll on NBN.

[mondo_broady]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

yes, also:

No one needs a telephone, when telegrams are adequate for most messages
No one needs a mobile phone, there are many public phone boxes
No one needs television (picture wireless) when the radio plays enough big-boppa for the whole family
No one needs a computer, calculators work just fine
No one needs the internet at all, newspapers and the TV tell us all the accurate and completely un-biased info we are told we need to know

Thank you, you gave me my biggest laugh for the day!!

one of my gripes is the ignorance of many people at how things are outside of their own little bubble. i live in one of the newest suburbs in NSW's 3rd biggest city (and iirc Australia's 9th biggest) and i can't even get access to ADSL2+!!!

as for our friend, the NON-socialist, i wonder just how much detail he actually knows about both the NBN & the Carbon tax??

[flappist]

Originally Posted by mondo_broady

Thank you, you gave me my biggest laugh for the day!!

one of my gripes is the ignorance of many people at how things are outside of their own little bubble. i live in one of the newest suburbs in NSW's 3rd biggest city (and iirc Australia's 9th biggest) and i can't even get access to ADSL2+!!!

as for our friend, the NON-socialist, i wonder just how much detail he actually knows about both the NBN & the Carbon tax??

Judging by post history about as much as he knows about everything else......

[BHDOGS]

wasn't it bill gates who said 200mb of hard drive for a computer is all you'd ever need? Roll on nbn

[mondo_broady]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

wasn't it bill gates who said 200mb of hard drive for a computer is all you'd ever need? Roll on nbn

i think it was 256k of RAM, wasn't it??

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

wasn't it bill gates who said 200mb of hard drive for a computer is all you'd ever need? Roll on nbn

it was a supposed quote regarding base memory, and he denies saying it

[gtfpv]

for someone behind the times with computers . i can only imagine the advances that will come with NBN . for example just watching youtube clips , my 1500 speed was sufficiant , so was my 10 gig a month , never went over . till recently , i suppose youtube now the 240p which is great for my speed is being phased out , and 360p is the norm . all of a sudden the download line is stating to be slower than the play time once agian . and aside from that . if i let it download 1st . then the pentium 4 struggles to keep up with the playback speed .
aside from that i notice 720p and 1080 full HD available .

i have heard we have no idea about the NBN fast speed what will come with it .
things like live stream holographic video calls in your room , in 3D .
THE WAY I INTERPERIT THAT IS YOU CAN STAND IN YOUR ROOM AND LOOK AT HOLGRAM STREAMS OF YOUR RELOS LIVE , ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD . WHICH WILL BE LIKE STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM . sorry bout the caps . but imagine that . and what ever else will come from it .
if this is true we ar in the dark ages with internet capabilities now , and the only way to evolve would be to have it .
i may be totally off the mark . but its what i hear and imagine down the short term track .

[BLKXR6T]

Originally Posted by mondo_broady

Amen to that!!

as for those arguing about not putting money into other infrastructure or services (hospitals), how many of you are fully aware of what's going on around the country or even in just your area?? get your head out of the agenda driven Murdoch newspapers, stop listening to talk back radio sensationalism and actually do some research. it's mind boggling to see the amount of work going on around the place.

i attended a book launch earlier this week where a school principal spoke about how grateful they were to finally have been able to build new facilities at their school for the first time in over 30 years because of the governments program.

I'm surprised you raised school facitities in an attempt to support your argument. What school principal wouldn't be happy with new building? Just a shame they had such a small choice of available one size fits all structures. The BER was a massive waste in VIC and NSW and a missed opportunity. As for research, all you have to do is look at what was built - very simple (and all expenditure is listed on the BER web site in any case) Just look at what private schools built and spent compared to the public system then compare $'s per square metre.
As for talk back radio sensationalism, yes, certain broadcasters are way over the top and do us a disservice, but not all. I think you give them more credit than they deserve as not everyone is brainwashed. Having said that, is someone who disagrees with the current government and shares the same opinions as certain broadcasters and newspapers not "fully aware" of what's going on?
The biggest issue I see with the NBN is the lack of credibility this governement has with running any kind of scheme sucessfully. Howard didn't spend, now Rudd\Gillard seem to have gone too far the other way and in too much of a hurry. Who was it that said they (Labour) had "failed to dot the i's and cross the t's" with the insulation scheme?
In any case I don't think most people would object to a new piece of infrastructure that filled a need and was managed properly. The current gov has a poor track record and thus most people are cynical.
That's my 2 cents worth. Intresting thread

[Dusty1]

There was a Four corners episode on the NBN. One of the ISPs said that they see no return in putting cable/fibre outside of the major population centres. The market would not help people outside of these areas.

If I am to be called a communist/socialist because I believe we should all have the same access to high speed broadband where possible, then I will wear that with pride.

Egalitarianism is something that is sadly lacking in Australia today. Instead you get called a communist or socialist.

[gtfpv]

sheeezh . how did this thread become an angry one .

[Professor Farnsworth]

it's fine, no one's angry, just some varying opinions.

[Tuddy200]

I work for an employment agency/training centre and we have many "public access" PC's for students or jobseekers to use to further themselves.

We are scattered throughout regional Victoria, and I am forever hearing complaints from these jobseekers/students that they are wasting time sitting, waiting for jobs to load, of research and yet they do not understand it's the fastest internet you can get in the area unless your paying tad over $20,000 per month and still not be anywhere near NBN speeds.

Now, you can imagine this for our staff who are using it on Telstra Business DSL because they need the upload speed and we get max 10MB/10MB but for $5000 per month with a site for 4 people!

The fact is we are also required to use government systems to upload data of jobseekers and students to respective agenies and half the day is spent waiting for data to be uploaded or downloaded, so I see this as a step in the right direction.

Roads are mainly state funded, rail are state funded, the health system, policing, emergency services, all state funded.... now the Federal government are giving them something that can improve all those services, maybe not directly like you downloading statistics on how much carbon I am breathing out but indirectly like better emergency warning systems, less overhead cableing (ie. poles for drivers to hit).

Yes, NBN Co. will buy Telstra's fibre instructure and with that money Telstra will only basically have thier wireless network to look after, so Telstra coverage is only going to get better and better as well. Our mobile staff use Telstra modems fairly well in remote areas 2-3 hours out of Ballarat or Bendigo. Imagine this for a health professional who comes to you is able to hook up into system and talk to a specialist without you travelling 4 hours there then back!

Outside the square people! There are much more benifits as well, but most won't listen.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yes but it should have been left to the players in the market to improve. But hey, as mentioned, farmers will get quick p0rn so its all worth it.

No doubt some of the internet in Oz is rubbish, heck even 40mins out of Melb we couldnt get a hard connection (but I think that was the property developers problem). Anyway, we had wireless for a while and my god that was rubbish along with anything else that was telstra based.

There are far more important issues about than the speed of our internet, the market should pay itself if they want quicker internet, not force everyone into it.

Typically the people who need or want massive speeds already have it and pay for it; businesses just claim it as an expense anyway. Your normal family does not require 20MBPS, Im already running multiple external drives, speed is nice but storage is going to be a problem too unless your streaming all the time and then your going to eat your bandwidth pretty quickly.

You will use that base plan of 30GB in no time...200GB is a bit excessive. I cant remember what my connection is at the moment but I know the limit is 100GB, which is heaps, and top speed I ever get is about 800kb/s..which isnt huge but isnt really slow either. WTF do I want with anything more than that?

You realise that the telephone you grew up with was state (Fed) funded infrastructure, and the electricity too to name but two major projects that took state money to make reality. Rail is another.

Private enterprise inst interested, and thats not simply because FTTH doesnt make money because it might, but because they can make more money from their investment elsewhere, and there is nothing wrong with that, its smart business and law to act in the best interests of shareholders.

Basically, lets say they can make $50 for every $50 invested (so a total of $100 back) off FTTH, or $80 for every $50 invested (so $130 back) from some other investment like fast food for example, they will invest in the fast food because it generates a better return for investors (shareholders). So while a project like the NBN may make money, there are other options to invest money into that would get the nod first. So far some parts of densely populated areas (larger capitals) have been worth the investment and some fast BB has been made available, while regional Aus is just to sparsely populated to warrant PE investing the dollars required to set up the infrastructure, not to mention outer suburbs too. I mean its easy enough to realise its true, its 2011, and PE still hasnt done it.

As stated above, its not porn that will drive the FTTH, although that makes up the bulk of the net up till now, video stores killed off drive-ins, and the FTTH will kill off video stores. Netflix is already big business. This one was ano brainer, and those with imagination and foresight will create much more that most havent even thought of. The potential for use is only so far unrealised due to lack of infrastructure, not imagination of people ready to make money from fast internet.