HSV review - 1st one I've found

[Auslandau]

C'mon peoples .... back to the topic. It is in the correct area .... it is easy to ignore if the topic isn't of interest or if your love of G strings keeps you wanting more of the VF rear, you know you will get to see it when the topic does start with the words HSV.

It is nice to keep up with the opposition as when it is FPV's turn it will more than quadruple the amount of GM threads and HSV will be forgotten again ..... and FPV will have a chance to wipe the floor.

Continue .... but on topic please

[Rodge]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/234540/h...bsport-review/
Car advice pose an interesting question regarding the kit stripped Clubsport and significantly better equipped Holden SSV-Redline...hmmm looking at the respective kit lists I think I'd go for the SSV Redline and take a well earned 5 star holiday in Honalulu with the difference.
Kind of reminds me of the dilema faced by SC GS owners as compared to a G6ET.

[stazza]

Originally Posted by Rodge

http://www.caradvice.com.au/234540/h...bsport-review/
Car advice pose an interesting question regarding the kit stripped Clubsport and significantly better equipped Holden SSV-Redline...hmmm looking at the respective kit lists I think I'd go for the SSV Redline and take a well earned 5 star holiday in Honalulu with the difference.
Kind of reminds me of the dilema faced by SC GS owners as compared to a G6ET.

Pretty sure the V8 note and whine would be the only deciding factor.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by stazza

Pretty sure the V8 note and whine would be the only deciding factor.

And now you're joining in the discussion?

What happened to this?

Originally Posted by stazza

I for one am sick and tired of seeing Holden thread after Holden thread. Yes, it's general discussion, but I don't log on here to read rehash after rehash of Holden crap that's been plastered all over this forum as of late.

Anyone of us are more than capable of having a look on a Holden forum if we need to find out what the Holden-loving journo's think.

It's funny how every has continuously whined about Journo's favoring Holden/HSV offerings over Ford, yet these same reviews are now posted on here regularly.

The last thing I'd expect to see when logging on to a FORD forum is Holden's latest and greatest offerings every second day.

More so now that Ford has made the recent announcements, you're all just helping to put those last few nails in the coffin.

[82XD393.3v]

clearly owning one of theses cars is going to be expensive when they say the tyres where showing cord after running through the cones a few times wonder how long they will last under normal conditions

[Sorted]

Not wanting to look through the entire thread but any 0-100klm times or 1/4 mile times or is HSV waiting for the perfect day, perfect conditions before they allow their pin up car to be tested?

[stazza]

Originally Posted by martinijosh

And now you're joining in the discussion?

What happened to this?

Yes, the part at the end of your post relating to Ford.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by 82XD393.3v

clearly owning one of theses cars is going to be expensive when they say the tyres where showing cord after running through the cones a few times wonder how long they will last under normal conditions

Very good point. A friend in N.Z. just put 20 inch continental tyres on his Audi S8 and it was just on $4,000 and he's lucky to get 15,000 km's from a set

By way of comparison a set of four Dunlop Sport Maxx's 245/35/ZR19's for my SC GT-P costs $1,760 and there's still some life in them after 17,000 km's and what's more my car is making more power and torque than his Audi.

All very well for HSV who would get an exceptionally favourable deal from Continental for fittment as original equipment, but when the poor sod HSV owners go down to their local tyre shop for replacements...whammo !!

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Very good point. A friend in N.Z. just put 20 inch continental tyres on his Audi S8 and it was just on $4,000 and he's lucky to get 15,000 km's from a set

By way of comparison a set of four Dunlop Sport Maxx's 245/35/ZR19's for my SC GT-P costs $1,760 and there's still some life in them after 17,000 km's and what's more my car is making more power and torque than his Audi.

All very well for HSV who would get an exceptionally favourable deal from Continental for fittment as original equipment, but when the poor sod HSV owners go down to their local tyre shop for replacements...whammo !!

You can put different replacement tyres on your vehicle, you don't have to stick with the OEM brand. You are very correct though, those tyres are more what you would expect to see and pay for a late model squillian $ 911 / Mercedes AMG / BMW M than ad 60-100K Aussie performance car.

[mcnews]

Conti might have sold them at a loss to HSV for OE in the hope that a lot of punters will be impressed and stick with them.

I know when PBR quoted for the premium FPV brakes, and they were on the top of the line Vetta at the time etc. and arguably better than comparably priced Brembo kit, they could not get close to the price Brembo would supply FPV with stuff for OE fitment.

[Rodge]

Good points guys, last time I checked there was quite a big difference between 20 inch and 19 inch tyre prices on a like for like brand basis, not sure if this is still the case or whether we're seeing some narrowing of the gap now that 20's are more common but I can't really see why 20's are all the rage and the whole HSV range come with 20's don't they ?

[zilo]

$100k is too much for me to consider it.

I would be more interested in a car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt.

Might need to spend a bit more, lose a poofteenth of a second over the quarter mile but there are better ways to spend that much cash.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by zilo

$100k is too much for me to consider it.

I would be more interested in a car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt.

Might need to spend a bit more, lose a poofteenth of a second over the quarter mile but there are better ways to spend that much cash.

Who has 100k and spends it on a commodore? Very strange.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by zilo

$100k is too much for me to consider it.

I would be more interested in a car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt.

Might need to spend a bit more, lose a poofteenth of a second over the quarter mile but there are better ways to spend that much cash.

...... and what is this magical car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt? Certainly isn't any Euro cars ..... ?

Think you will find that HSV and FPV's hold value fairly well all things considered.

Maybe those that will consider a 100k car were also considering a $160k car but instead decided to save themselves 60k? Totally understand it is too much for you and I to consider but there is a huge market for this niche.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by zilo

I would be more interested in a car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt.

So a second-hand car then? Something that has almost bled out and the original owner is covered in blood and has a garage that looks like a crime-scene?

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by zilo

$100k is too much for me to consider it.

I would be more interested in a car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt.

Might need to spend a bit more, lose a poofteenth of a second over the quarter mile but there are better ways to spend that much cash.

Yeap, I'd like to know the brand of this mystery car that doesn't depreciate much too, please do tell !!

It can't be a Euro, because from personal experience you will get yourself the depreciation belting of your lifetime buying a new or near new high spec Euro.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

...... and what is this magical car that doesn't bleed depreciation all over the asphalt? Certainly isn't any Euro cars ..... ?

Think you will find that HSV and FPV's hold value fairly well all things considered.

Maybe those that will consider a 100k car were also considering a $160k car but instead decided to save themselves 60k? Totally understand it is too much for you and I to consider but there is a huge market for this niche.

Like I said, instead of spending $100k on a commodore with a body kit and retune I would look at something that doesn't depreciate as quickly.


Have a look at carsales for the Merc C63.

They hold their value pretty well.

[XR6T0Y]

Originally Posted by zilo

Have a look at carsales for the Merc C63.

They hold their value pretty well.

First time I have looked up a Merc (don't know what model is what), and damn, that C63 is bloody nice. Would take that over one of these no problems

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by zilo

Like I said, instead of spending $100k on a commodore with a body kit and retune I would look at something that doesn't depreciate as quickly.

Have a look at carsales for the Merc C63.

They hold their value pretty well.

Unfortunatly they're too compact for big solidly built blokes like me but I think if you're going euro performance that's a good choice.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by zilo

Like I said, instead of spending $100k on a commodore with a body kit and retune I would look at something that doesn't depreciate as quickly.


Have a look at carsales for the Merc C63.

They hold their value pretty well.

Well it depends on how you look at it. Even though percentage wise the Merc holds its value better, you're still losing a hell of a lot more money. 2010 C63s are already dipping under $100k and trade-in values are well below that. Being that they are $170k brand new, you've lost 70 grand in just 3 years.

Also, calling the new GTS a Commodore with a body kit and retune is ridiculous, you must be joking. Also consider that our US counterparts are buying brand new C63s for 60 kay off the lot. Yet a 3 year old one over here is still 100 grand. I'll take the HSV, thanks.

[zilo]

Just my opinion...nothing more than that guys

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by zilo

Just my opinion...nothing more than that guys

Car and Driver (US mag/website) do detailed comparos between similarly priced new and used cars that meet similar criteria. For example I remember reading one where they compared a brand new Charger SRT8 vs a 2008 Merc E63 AMG, which cost the same ($50k US). I remember them saying the Charger was the winner, because it felt like the latest and greatest. Even though the Benz had everything that opens and shuts, the new car still felt new and the older one didn't. If I was in the $100k car market I'd prefer something new over something used, and I'd expect the person who buys a new GTS might not care about used Benzs at the same money. A GTS is the best of its breed (brand new, Holdens) the C63 is a lower range used AMG offering and they're both $100k.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Also, calling the new GTS a Commodore with a body kit and retune is ridiculous, you must be joking.

Well... that's what it is. A GT335 is still a family XT with a tarted up kit and a new motor.

That's how it SHOULD be. They're a tuned version of the base sedan. Don't get butt hurt when someone calls a spade a spade... that's actually quite apt, since they're both agricultural.

Buy a toyota corolla sedan, plonk a giant turbo on it and stick in some harder shocks, chuck on some cheap leds and a spoiler. BAM, "sports sedan"

[CSV_LS1]

By that reasoning a c63 is only a tarted up c180 and a waste of money lol. Wonderful reasoning....

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

By that reasoning a c63 is only a tarted up c180 and a waste of money lol. Wonderful reasoning....

M3 is a tarted up 3 series, Audi RS3 is a tarted up a3... Why is that a problem in your mind?

I never said it was a waste of money, you're making up reasoning now.

[Iggle Piggle]

Think some of us have different definitions of "Tune only" (retune). I always took it to mean recalibrating/reprogramming the ECU or PCM...but to others it seems to cover entirely different engine, different engine internals, forced induction, upgraded suspension, brakes, diffs, gearboxes, coolers, weight reduction, tyres, and anything else that can be upgraded.

Probably covers neons and subs too.

[CSV_LS1]

A tarted up car insinuates its a few trinkets with a massive price tag for the privilege. My problem is people who actually have no idea about cars or what's been done to the car that love to share 'their' opinion on why its a waste of money and oh my god it will depreciate. Wow what a revelation. You will lose money on a car from brand new. Sharing an opinion is great but how about backing up the opinion and not just say "everyone has a right to their opinion" speel.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

Think some of us have different definitions of "Tune only" (retune). I always took it to mean recalibrating/reprogramming the ECU or PCM...but to others it seems to cover entirely different engine, different engine internals, forced induction, upgraded suspension, brakes, diffs, gearboxes, coolers, weight reduction, tyres, and anything else that can be upgraded.

Probably covers neons and subs too.

To me, tuning a car =/= getting a flash tune.

For the sake of being clear, when I say tune in the context of my previous post I mean every change made to the car that differs from the base model.

Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

A tarted up car insinuates its a few trinkets with a massive price tag for the privilege. My problem is people who actually have no idea about cars or what's been done to the car that love to share 'their' opinion on why its a waste of money and oh my god it will depreciate. Wow what a revelation. You will lose money on a car from brand new. Sharing an opinion is great but how about backing up the opinion and not just say "everyone has a right to their opinion" speel.

"A tarted up car insinuates its a few trinkets with a massive price tag for the privilege."

It depends how specific you want to be. I think everyone more or less understands the difference.

"My problem is people who actually have no idea about cars or what's been done to the car that love to share 'their' opinion on why its a waste of money and oh my god it will depreciate."

I don't think someone saying that THEY can't justify the cost means they are saying it is a waste of money.

I own an xr6t, which is an xr6 with a turbo and an LSD, the xr6 is an xt with a body kit, and some "trinkets". It does the job, and is different enough from the base model to justify the extra... 3k spent on purchase. But then again, I let the previous owner hit the depreciation.

edit: I'm going to leave it there, I'm not good enough at communication to get my point across effectively.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by martinijosh

Well... that's what it is. A GT335 is still a family XT with a tarted up kit and a new motor.

That's how it SHOULD be. They're a tuned version of the base sedan. Don't get butt hurt when someone calls a spade a spade... that's actually quite apt, since they're both agricultural.

Are you seriously going to compare what HSV has done with this new GTS to what Ford does with a regular FPV (ie, next to nothing)? Firstly he said "retune"- which to myself and others refers to the engine tune. I took it as him undermining all the work that has gone into the GTS- intercooled LSA, adjustable magnetic shocks, torque vectoring, 5 mode stability control, diff oil cooler, transmission oil cooler, LSA spec engine oil cooler, 11 heat exchangers in total, EDI, 255 & 275 tyres, substantially different rear styling from an SS, the list goes on. What HSV have done is comprehensive. Nobody is butt hurt and please don't use that term around me, we're not in a primary school playground (or at least I'm not).

[DJM83]

GTS a tarted up Commodore, RS3 tarted up A3, M3 a tarted up 3 series. right.

Is that an excuse for not being able to afford any of the aforementioned cars...

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Are you seriously going to compare what HSV has done with this new GTS to what Ford does with a regular FPV (ie, next to nothing)? Firstly he said "retune"- which to myself and others refers to the engine tune. I took it as him undermining all the work that has gone into the GTS- intercooled LSA, adjustable magnetic shocks, torque vectoring, 5 mode stability control, diff oil cooler, transmission oil cooler, LSA spec engine oil cooler, 11 heat exchangers in total, EDI, 255 & 275 tyres, substantially different rear styling from an SS, the list goes on. What HSV have done is comprehensive. Nobody is butt hurt and please don't use that term around me, we're not in a primary school playground (or at least I'm not).

Couldnt agree more.