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24-12-2019, 11:38 AM | #31 | ||
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Cav; you do realise that data is April to March so it only goes to March of this year and the March 2020 ones will the telling SOI maps in the context of current events.
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24-12-2019, 11:46 AM | #32 | ||
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I've never seen it like this before , not this early and some people a lot older than me haven't either. Been around for nearly 60 years and this extreme dryness of our area is what most are talking about , not just me .
You have maps/charts/records , that's fine but whether you believe in climate change or not the absolute living reality is that fires/floods and extreme weather events are more hazardous now than ever before as we expand further out from the cities and such . There is a lot more people , property and wildlife affected as each year passes so management is the key to mitigate this . The University of Tasmania has done a lot of research into dry lightning strikes too that's seen it being a largely irrelevant cause of bushfire a few decades ago to now a major reason . It's a lot more than just temperature . Extended extremes of weather is more the point and what effect that has on the environment and therefore the risks . Last edited by roddy1960; 24-12-2019 at 11:51 AM. |
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24-12-2019, 12:58 PM | #33 | |||
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At the moment its just finger pointing at the figurehead at the helm of the country, Scomo ain't got the power to make it rain (as in water, not spondoolies ). The problem is that working on solutions and investigations don't get media attention, pointing the finger does. |
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24-12-2019, 01:13 PM | #34 | |||
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24-12-2019, 03:26 PM | #35 | |||
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The hottest, coldest, wettest, dryest records have yet to exceed historical data. Records such as hottest year and hottest day of recent times are not because it is hotter, it is because the nights have not been as cold, hence the records relate to AVERAGES and not absolute maximums. No body denies that the earth is warming, therefore actual maximum temperatures should continually being set, but that is not happening yet. Unless of course the BOM only lists temperatures from 1910 thereby avoiding maximums set in the late 1800s and early 1900s. If you see a temperature graph and it omits data from the 1880s to 1910, then you know there is an agenda. I could show you the graphs, but facts don't matter these days. |
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24-12-2019, 03:38 PM | #36 | |||
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24-12-2019, 04:35 PM | #37 | |||
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In the most recent one it separated Tassie from the rest (some might be happy about that on both sides) and created a few other new islands and changed animal and plant distribution etc.. but across the planet we didn't have nearly 8 billion people to feed and house in those days. |
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24-12-2019, 04:44 PM | #38 | |||
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Would be nice to live in NE Victoria on the Coast.
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24-12-2019, 05:54 PM | #39 | ||
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I dunno why I am doing this but here goes.
As part of the Bicentennial Celebrations, a set of booklets was produced that outline Australia's history - they were 10 years in the making. My wife bought a copy - there are 12 volumes. There is one on statistics. This is what I found regarding max and minimum temperatures. You won't find these figures by searching the internet. Between 1987 (when these figures were compiled) and 2019, these temperatures were changed. Indeed many of the temperatures have been written down by 2 degrees. As Professor Julius Sumner-Millar would say, "Why is this so?" |
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24-12-2019, 06:21 PM | #40 | ||
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Because of the Stevenson Screen weather station...Maybe...
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24-12-2019, 07:58 PM | #41 | ||
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Have a read of Jennifer Marohasys research into how the BOM manipulate the data to suit their agenda. For example the Bureau has deleted the hottest day ever recorded with a mercury thermometer in a Stevenson screen, which was 51.6 degrees Celsius at Bourke in 1909.
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25-12-2019, 11:06 AM | #42 | ||
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I don't want to argue with anybody here ...because there are some great points and stats that suggest all sorts of things and make a lot of sense , especially from Cav's numbers . I get all that . Thanks for going to so much trouble by the way because I couldn't do that .
I think my point is that it's more that sustained periods of temperature change and weather extremes and overall effects given the way we use and abuse this planet of ours now. It's imperative that politicians everywhere and I do mean everywhere get their heads out of the sand get stuck in right now and come up with not paper figures to meet certain protocols but tangible decisions that will start to make living with these overall effects better. We won't see really big differences because it'll take a bloody long time but we all know that with a massive load on resources and a population that's increasing all the time these decisions based on a huge amount of science have to be made and those pollies are in the hot seat almost literally . We might not like some hard decisions but there is no other real option IMO.. |
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25-12-2019, 11:24 AM | #43 | ||
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your not picking on billary are you..How Dare You..
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25-12-2019, 11:37 AM | #44 | |||
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Well hey, nothing is stopping those people doing the demanding, to give up their comfortable western lifestyle full of materialistic consumerism and excess wastage. What do you propose these politicians do to ‘act’ on this 21st century woke religious scam? So far all I’ve seen is policies that make or will make living costs rise for the middle and working classes. |
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25-12-2019, 11:57 AM | #45 | ||
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25-12-2019, 12:10 PM | #46 | |||
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and then preceded to go full on SJW on the oz public, not interested in he's opinions...
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25-12-2019, 12:11 PM | #47 | |||
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25-12-2019, 06:02 PM | #48 | |||
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They might even make it necessary to all drive electric or hybrid before too many more years or make you pay a fortune for a fossil fuel car . How'd you feel about that? Last edited by roddy1960; 25-12-2019 at 06:11 PM. |
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25-12-2019, 06:16 PM | #49 | |||
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You could even get on social media and tell Scomo how you're doing your bit. I did my bit, we had two big family cars and when the eldest two got their licenses we bought a SUV as a tow tug/family car for the remaining 4 of us and the little Picanto for the environment. C'mon Roddy, think of those dry valleys mate. Lets be honest here Roddy, on any given day you can look around you in traffic and see dozens of big inefficient vehicles often containing sole occupants, if every one of those people traded down to what they need as opposed to what they want it would have a much greater effect than the decisions of an elected figurehead who may or may not be in that position in 3 years time, or less on recent historical trends, but the truth is whilst everyone wants to look as though they care and bang away on their keyboards on social media, they only really care if it doesn't impact on their immediate futures. Last edited by BENT_8; 25-12-2019 at 06:24 PM. |
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25-12-2019, 09:33 PM | #51 | ||
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Everyone else conserve fuel because I'll take every last drop that you don't use
I'm looking at replacing my diesel Focus daily and I have entertained the idea of one of those EVs like a Holden Volt or Nissan Note e-Power NISMO S where its an electric vehicle but it has an ICE only as a generator for the electric motor. Not so much out of concern for the environment more so that I'm sickened, but curious. The NISMO makes literally the same power and torque as my Focus did when it was stock - but it'd be 320NM from 1 RPM rather than 2000 RPM https://www.caradvice.com.au/689681/...aled-in-japan/ Appears to be available for import, second hand low KM seem to be going for $25K-$30K landed. Only has 1.5kWh battery bank so it would be cheaper to replace when it flogs out - looks pretty cool too for a small car: Looks promising. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 25-12-2019 at 10:03 PM. |
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25-12-2019, 09:38 PM | #52 | ||
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As a teacher in a high school, I can tell you that young people could not give a stuff about climate alarmism and were quite contemptuous of Greta.
Off course, I do nothing to change this perception. I think I am a bad man. A toxic masculinist with white privilege or some such rot... |
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25-12-2019, 09:46 PM | #53 | |||
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I'm copping 50c 'environment' tax on every coffee I buy because I refuse to bring a Keepcup to the cafe, yes it would probably be cheaper to spend $30 on a keepcup than pay a few hundred bucks a year in avoidable taxes but its about the principle Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 25-12-2019 at 09:55 PM. |
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25-12-2019, 10:42 PM | #54 | |||
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Brainwashed hypocritical middle - upperclass white kids protesting about climate change. They are likely all on holiday at this time of the year via Boeing/Airbus or a large six figure SUV with equally expensive boat or van in tow. superyob - We can expect to see you oust from such a role by the thought police in not too distant future hey. You'll be contender for front page news, drawing reactions from triggered do gooders. Simplistic leftist analogy of not agreeing with Greta = hate & bullying. MSM and bloggers from the left have told us this hate and bullying is only being carried out by old white men. Guessing you're regional. Where approach to life is more pragmatic, and the average teen from the country has more life skills than the inner city fragile leftist encapsed within their echo chamber at twice the age. |
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25-12-2019, 11:50 PM | #55 | |||
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26-12-2019, 08:59 AM | #56 | ||
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Well then Bent 8. I guess I am a hypocrite immediately now then if I don't buy an EV or something similar . I admit it . Does that make you feel happy that I'm really the tosser you probably always thought I was ?
As for protesters comments from whoever...Last time I looked it was a free country that allowed people to legally protest if they so wished even if some a hypocrites like I obviously am . |
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26-12-2019, 10:29 AM | #57 | |||
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roddy's cars will probably last 4 times longer, saving far more in valuable resources in the future.
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26-12-2019, 05:53 PM | #58 | |||
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26-12-2019, 06:03 PM | #59 | ||
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fair enough, but he does reference some relevant stats which are pretty hard to argue with.
1. the NSW government cut the number of fire management officers (who have overall responsibility for hazard reduction burns) from 36 to 10. the situation is so ridiculous, the government has asked some of these staff to come back and help without pay https://www.abc.net.au/radio/program...t-pay/11795824 2. they've slashed the amount of hazard reduction burning, and have ceased maintaining fire trails altogether http://www.pennysharpe.com/cuts_to_n..._bushfire_risk |
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26-12-2019, 06:51 PM | #60 | ||
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Okay ..fair enough.. I've probably had too much to say on this subject now so I'll leave it to the others to add their thoughts if they choose . Thanks...
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