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26-04-2023, 03:44 PM | #31 | ||
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Sometimes you chuck thoughts opinions and bias out the window, you just know a man dressed in skimpy woman's clothes wearing woman's face, and reading inappropriate books to under fives at a libary is wrong, no matter how its twisted, this has happened at libarys near me. You never hear them wanting to read at say a old folks home its always our kids they want. The last rainbow reading at our local to me libary (Ranui) needed two police officers for protection, go figure.
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26-04-2023, 03:50 PM | #32 | ||
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I read somewhere once that DNA tests show 'Male' or 'Female'. Never heard of a test coming back 'other'
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26-04-2023, 03:56 PM | #33 | |||
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When I went to school you were taught the three RRR's , these days children are being indoctrinated with political views as to what is acceptable by the government of the day which I think is morally wrong. In my honest view "Free Speech is diminishing badly in this country" very sad indeed as to what it was really like decades ago when I was young. Cheers |
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26-04-2023, 04:08 PM | #34 | |||
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Is the history you and I were taught at school, which had an English slant to it, historically correct? Students today are being taught something different to what we learnt. Is that history being re-written? Is that better or worse? Or just different? I'm not raising any of these to be argumentative (even though some may consider it that way) rather just to show that just because things are different to what we know/learnt doesn't necessarily make it worse or wrong. Heck, I can remember my parents worrying about what the future looked like when were taught things different to what they were at school. The world hasn't imploded (yet! ). Is this really that different?
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26-04-2023, 04:31 PM | #35 | ||
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26-04-2023, 05:50 PM | #37 | ||
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I can understand the idea of an alternative view when you're debating two sides of something that has a degree of subjectivity. But teaching people that you are what you identify as, is objectively false. Biology matters, and arguably, trumps one's mental state.
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26-04-2023, 08:49 PM | #38 | |||
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My niece was doing biology at school, in particular, chromosomes. She explained to us how I’m XY whilst my wife is XX, and if we have a baby, its gender will depend on the X or Y from me. She understood the concept straight away. She then told me how one smart alec suggested in class that people who identify as “other” must be YY. I cracked up laughing at the “innocent” suggestion from the class clown. The teacher apparently didn’t know what to say - deny it, and it’s like you’re saying there’s only 2 genders, and it’s a quick trip to the PC Principal’s office. Confirm it, and you’re spinning crap to kids. Same trip to the Principal’s office! Stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
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26-04-2023, 08:51 PM | #39 | ||||
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And to be perfectly honest, I can absolutely understand how an intersex person might find the view that DNA test results only categorise people into two groups as offensive. It completely dismisses them. It's not for this thread, but man it must be bloody hard to be an intersex person when society has the view that you must fit into one of two groups that you know you don't fit into. Quote:
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26-04-2023, 10:25 PM | #40 | |||
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Sex is not a spectrum, it's binary. If someone doesn't fit the binary, it's because their genetics are aberrant. They are typically infertile. The number of fingers on a human hand is five. The existence of polydactyly doesnt mean the number of fingers exists on a spectrum. People always seem to bring up intersex conditions as some sort of gotcha, but it just shows people dont really understand genetics. |
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27-04-2023, 09:44 AM | #41 | |||
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Just because people who say it and may not know genetics doesn't make it wrong. I'm certainly no expert in that field at all, but those who are experts in that field certainly identify that it's not a binary outcome. Do you know more about genetics than them? Or are they wrong, too?
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27-04-2023, 10:15 AM | #42 | ||||
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Intersex conditions arise predominantly through chromosomal abnormalities. They cant reproduce in the vast majority of cases. It's clear that our species strives to be either male or female, but mistakes happen. Quote:
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27-04-2023, 10:29 AM | #43 | |||
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Scandal; it’s timeless. From the destruction of Sodom, through to “thirty pieces of silver” (cf: KJV), to Lydia Bennett eloping with Wickham …
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27-04-2023, 12:27 PM | #44 | ||||
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You can call it semantics and I'll call it being factual.
Yes, I would. I don't know much about the subject at all, so I'll refer to those who know more about it than I do. This is from the Australian Governments Health Direct website. I'd consider that to be a pretty reputable source? Quote:
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You seem to know a lot about this, b0son. Do you have a background in this field? I certainly don't so please excuse me if some of the terms I've used are not scientifically accurate. I'm sure you (and others) get the message I'm trying to convey though. I don't think we're going to see each others point of view. Perhaps it's time we agreed to disagree and move on? This will be a challenge for some people in here, but there was a very eye opening show a few years back on intersex people. Watch it. With an open mind to learning something. If you can't do that, at least look at it from the perspective of understanding as to how someone who is intersex feels in their day to day life and the challenges their condition presents. See if you have the ability to empathise with them. It is estimated that 1 - 2% of the population are intersex. I don't know how many members we have on these great forums, but let's say it is (very conservatively) 100. That means that, statistically, there are two intersex members in our group. Think about how they feel when they read some of the comments on here. The full show is available on iview for those brave enough to watch it all.
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So you accept that unhealthy variation of a gene is a disease, but an entire chromosomal abnormality is simply normal variation?
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27-04-2023, 02:29 PM | #46 | ||
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Humans are animals. They come in 2 types. Male and female.
They have a reproductive system. One is designed to go with the other to produce offspring. That is fact. Not a choice.
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Thanks for your reply, b0son. I also appreciate the insight you offer.
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Yep, you're right. My bad. But I think you knew the message I was trying to convey. Pointing out my errors in wording doesn't, or shouldn't, change that message. Quote:
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This page from the Intersex Human Rights Australia website discusses that and expresses some concern about that view. This is taken from the Intersex Society of America, and seems pretty balanced to me. But perhaps that's my own bias showing up. Quote:
Anyway, I'm not going to continue to clog up the thread any more. I think people know my point of view and continuing to discuss it is probably not going to add any more significant value. But I do sincerely appreciate your insights, b0son. Thanks for the mature and respectful discussion.
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27-04-2023, 02:50 PM | #48 | |||
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Is he credible ? how do you know but having done a search, he might have many in their industry that oppose him and think he or she is a crack pot so to speak. Just saying Foxy.
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27-04-2023, 03:10 PM | #49 | |||
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27-04-2023, 04:14 PM | #50 | ||
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This is a topic that seems to come up more often in SM than I've ever seen before.
I don't have children but have nephews and they have been pulled out of schools to be homeschooled by their parents. Based on the context of this thread, most would know why. I'm kind of glad I don't have kids now but am concerned for my nephews and all children around the world due to some of these harmful ideologies. I am seeing the USA plummet into a chasm of disturbing proportions. All under the guise of 'equality' and 'acceptance', while demanding you use the terminology, pronouns, etc these individuals are comfortable with and in the same breathe they question your basic biological understanding and thoughts of what is/isn't acceptable or risk being called a 'hateful bigot'. It seems like companies and businesses are jumping on this bandwagon of 'inclusivity' for fear of being cancelled or boycotted. People have often thought WW3 would be here in nuclear and weapon form like it was in the 40s. Part of me thinks WW3 is psychological/spiritual attack of traditional values to the family arrangement and promotes division among civilians against civilians. Using/changing words and traditional language as a weapon to weaken society so to speak. Agree or disagree with what I have said, be my guest. But please protect your kids no matter what.
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27-04-2023, 04:28 PM | #51 | ||
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Thread was asking for this.
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27-04-2023, 07:15 PM | #52 | |||
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Even more so I would question it…sorry. Especially ones of late. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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27-04-2023, 07:51 PM | #53 | |||
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I wonder how many people full of fear and loathing for this particular group have ever met someone from that group and had a conversation with them. I wonder how many people full of fear and loathing for this particular group, would feel if a member of their family was born that way, a child or grandchild they wish to protect ?
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27-04-2023, 08:58 PM | #54 | ||
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In the USA and Canada in particular, you can see it unfold in front of the camera, and in some places certain speech is outlawed. The minorities within certain groups even turn against their own if they don't play along.
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27-04-2023, 09:45 PM | #55 | |||
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Male student decides to be a transgender female student for the day and enters a female school toilet dressed in a skirt where he orally rapes and sodomises a female student. The father of the victim went to face the school board at one of their public forums to ask why they allowed this and why they denied the incident existed. The school board flatly denied there had ever been any incidents of rape or assault stemming from their decision to allow the above. Father gets emotional and angry, school board calls security to have the bloke forcibly removed where he was promptly arrested and immediately charged by the local DA with domestic terrorism and put in jail. Same kid was arrested again months down the track for assaulting another female student at another school. Talk about ****ed! |
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27-04-2023, 10:09 PM | #56 | ||
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If this is the referenced case it doesn't involve 'transgender students' according to court records: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/o...nty-trans.html
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28-04-2023, 11:18 AM | #57 | |||
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28-04-2023, 12:55 PM | #58 | ||
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Is Tucker Carlson correct?
Are we all being fooled into debating subjects than actually have no effect on any of us? Are we being tricked into not focusing on the things that will actually make a difference to our lives? *Disclaimer, I am not making a pitch to get myself elected, where as Tucker Carlson.....
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28-04-2023, 01:44 PM | #59 | ||
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Yes, yes, depends, maybe...
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28-04-2023, 01:46 PM | #60 | |||
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My good friend had a daughter, which I've known since birth, at sixteen had a double mastectomy, is now Max with a moustace, you cannot tell me a sixteen year old can make a rational decision like that, one that is so life changing, a teens brain is still growing and developing, yet so called doctors and coucilers think it's all good yep now problem, don't need to include parents. Transvestite rainbow reading is in my libarys, and soon to be in yours from what I've seen in your news last night. When it's my family and grandkids it does have a effect on us. The education system are pushing it to, without any consideration to parents wishes. Time would be better spent teaching, reading, writing, arithmetic and how to budget and run a household. Leaving social engineering to the experts, being "Universities." So yes it does effect all of us. They are fooling us. Home schooling is now looking the better education option. Last edited by five 7; 28-04-2023 at 01:53 PM. |
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