my F#$%ing bad Night - Page 2

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

I have, I've been driving a long time and you never stop encoutering new amazements.

The situation I was actually referring to was when leaving a T intersection or private entryway look right, and the oncoming car has a left indicator on, safe to proceed? It should be but id numbnutz in the other car hasn't cancelled the indicator they will plow right into you when you proceed. And they will usually swear blind to roadside plod that the indicator wasn't on.

These are road skills, the anticipation of all the stupid things other can do, if we allow for those then all we have to worry about are our own inabilities..

I treat everyone as idiots that will do things for no logical reason, that way I am never surprised when they do. It is the only way to drive!

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

At least 2 car lengths, sorry too close. The guide is 2 seconds in dry conditions, double that in wet. so in the dry at 60km/h, the safe distance is 16m (about 5 car lengths) and 30m in the wet.
I really suggest that some people do defensive driving courses (should be government subsidised and compulsory befor getting off P's). Trust me, it will really open your eyes! Especially when you do the braking distance demonstration.

A falcon is 4.8m roughly so that would make 3 car, 4 at most car lengths, not 5.

LTDHO · 29-06-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

You are only supposed to stop for a dog if it safe to do so, well it wasnt was it as she caused an accident, so do not accept the blame for this, fight it all the way, she should pay for your car, dogs are to be on leads or in backyards, the law is on your side, ring the cops and you will find I am right.

Sorry Jase, this is 100% wrong.
You must stop. The vehicle behind the stopping vehicle is 100% liable and if the police attended the 2nd vehicle would have been charged.

I wouldn't go to the cops, they can charge you on the spot for admitting to running into the rear of another car. I know it has happened before.

Gammaboy · 29-06-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

The golden rule is the moment you run nto the back of another car, you are too close

Well. yeah. duh!

Heeno · 29-06-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

I treat everyone as idiots that will do things for no logical reason, that way I am never surprised when they do. It is the only way to drive!

lol thats funny, im exactly the same way, you just never know when someones going to do something weird, you've gotta always be on the ball at all times, i don't mean goin 40k all the way but just being observent of what around you at all times.

LTDHO · 29-06-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

I have, I've been driving a long time and you never stop encoutering new amazements.

The situation I was actually referring to was when leaving a T intersection or private entryway look right, and the oncoming car has a left indicator on, safe to proceed? It should be but id numbnutz in the other car hasn't cancelled the indicator they will plow right into you when you proceed. And they will usually swear blind to roadside plod that the indicator wasn't on.

Also just because a car is indicating this does not mean you can pull out in front of them, even if they tell the police their indicator was on, YOU have to make sure that the road is clear and if it is not then YOU are liable.

Never assume. If you do, feel comfortable with the risk.

RED_EL_XR8 · 29-06-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

A falcon is 4.8m roughly so that would make 3 car, 4 at most car lengths, not 5.

A falcon also weighs from 1500 to 1800kg maybe 5 car lengths is good advice. I know its not always possible and its damned annoying when others continually cut into this space on the motorway but its something to aim for. Or should that be something not to aim for, out of striking range.

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Well. yeah. duh!

It seems it is not Duh because a lot of people here have got it all wrong, and I ususally have to pick up the pieces.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Sorry Jase, this is 100% wrong.
You must stop. The vehicle behind the stopping vehicle is 100% liable and if the police attended the 2nd vehicle would have been charged.

I wouldn't go to the cops, they can charge you on the spot for admitting to running into the rear of another car. I know it has happened before.

I never meant you have the right to run into them, all I am saying is according to the law they are not supposed to stop unless 100% safe to do so, but the other side is you should not be close to enough to run into them even if they did stop .... catch 22 in a way (but yes if you hit them, you are to close .....)

bailey04 · 29-06-2005, 12:36 PM

Let me get this straight.. If you are driving too close behind me, i stop for no apparent reason at all and you run into the back of me.. Its your fault, not mine.. :Up_to_som

XR-ENVI · 29-06-2005, 12:40 PM

in some areas dogs are allowed to walk freely off the lead if under control. nothing was mentioned as to whether there was a person close by. if there is a person crossing the road we give way to them if we are turning into a street.
its all still a of a thing to happen no matter who is right and who is wrong

NIGHTHAWK · 29-06-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GSWXA

I thought any car the hits another up the bum is at fault no matter what because there has to be a safe distance keeped.

Especially in the rain, you keep a further distance as it takes longer to stop.Did you have insurance?

LTDHO · 29-06-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey04

Let me get this straight.. If you are driving too close behind me, i stop for no apparent reason at all and you run into the back of me.. Its your fault, not mine.. :Up_to_som

Yes.

But don't be surprised if the owner of that vehicle gets out and punches you in the face!

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey04

Let me get this straight.. If you are driving too close behind me, i stop for no apparent reason at all and you run into the back of me.. Its your fault, not mine.. :Up_to_som

Correct, the basic rule is the last car to even hit a string of cars is at fault.

You stop for no reason I run into you, then some twit not paying attention hits me, its now his fault

bailey04 · 29-06-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

You stop for no reason I run into you, then some twit not paying attention hits me, its now his fault

Thats just not right...

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MITCHAY · 29-06-2005, 01:12 PM

The person who is infront of it all isnt at fault at all unless it was reckless driving. The 2nd car hits is responsible to the 1st cars damage and the 3rd car is responsible for the 2nd cars damage. Thats why your not meant to be up the **** of any car at traffic lights. If anyone hits you and you hit the person in front of you then its your fault becasue its deemed you were too close. I usually stay back so i can see the rear tyres of the car in front of me. This is what my driving instructor told me.

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The person who is infront of it all isnt at fault at all unless it was reckless driving. The 2nd car hits is responsible to the 1st cars damage and the 3rd car is responsible for the 2nd cars damage. Thats why your not meant to be up the **** of any car at traffic lights. If anyone hits you and you hit the person in front of you then its your fault becasue its deemed you were too close. I usually stay back so i can see the rear tyres of the car in front of me. This is what my driving instructor told me.

You 100% right, it is not the last car in a string of cars that pays for the lot, each person pays for the car in front of them. If you are pushed into the car in front when you are hit, you are at fault for the car in front of you because you stopped too close. That only changes if it can be proved that the car that hit you was travelling at such a speed (and greater than the posted limit) that it is reasonable that the force was so great that such a incident could not be prepared for.

It is true that when stopped at lights, stop sign etc you should be able to see the base of the rear tyres on the car in front of you, minimum, if you can't you are too close.

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 01:46 PM

The law is shades of grey most the time, you can only hope you land on the side that benefits you.

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 01:52 PM

Or be careful, accept that you are driving nearly 2t of lethal weapon and not get in trouble and take the risk!

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

Or be careful, accept that you are driving nearly 2t of lethal weapon and not get in trouble and take the risk!

A licence is a privledge not a right, so stay safe on the roads

edit: I would also like to add that has been a rather well behaved and good discussion, great to see.

geckoGT · 29-06-2005, 02:00 PM

Yeah, keep me bored at work, please!

merlin · 29-06-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey04

Let me get this straight.. If you are driving too close behind me, i stop for no apparent reason at all and you run into the back of me.. Its your fault, not mine.. :Up_to_som

Yes - When someone is tailgaiting you, theortetically you could slam on the brakes and write off their car and they would be 100% at fault.

I know someone who has done exactly this (they definatley require anger management classes). Of course I would not condone such a thing but it is a very clear part of the law.

Heeno · 29-06-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey04

Let me get this straight.. If you are driving too close behind me, i stop for no apparent reason at all and you run into the back of me.. Its your fault, not mine.. :Up_to_som

no your at fault because you caused an accident on perpose

EA2BA · 29-06-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

no your at fault because you caused an accident on perpose

only 2 cars on the road his is back damaged, your is front damaged you lose, very simple

Heeno · 29-06-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

Yes - When someone is tailgaiting you, theortetically you could slam on the brakes and write off their car and they would be 100% at fault.

I know someone who has done exactly this (they definatley require anger management classes). Of course I would not condone such a thing but it is a very clear part of the law.

funny that 3 weeks ago, same thing except i was in the car, my mate driving up some guys *** and yes he hit the break hard, my mate only just touched him but enough to put a ding in the rear end, guess what.... its all the other guys fault because there was a witness and this witness is a cop! other guy got done hard! for purpously causing an accident!

Heeno · 29-06-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

only 2 cars on the road his is back damaged, your is front damaged you lose, very simple

in that case yes, but we had a witness...read above

**Uncle_Ken** · 29-06-2005, 04:58 PM

S*@t happens.
Touch luck Nudge.
I had the same happen to me in reverse. Set of lights (green) when Wee Whaa Ambulance comes powering through. I stopped the car behind me didn't. Small rear end followed.
Uncle_Ken

Mike Gayner · 29-06-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoxr8

You 100% right, it is not the last car in a string of cars that pays for the lot, each person pays for the car in front of them. If you are pushed into the car in front when you are hit, you are at fault for the car in front of you because you stopped too close.

Sucks if you're sitting behind a Ferrari at the lights then

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