Non-payment of rego; getting out of the fine

[Blue Shadow]

You still get a renewal notice.
A out 15 years ago I got fined for bot having the sticker on my car.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by olfella

It really is not a concern as all they have is your Rego plate number and the make/model of vehicle. So if a car turns up they can tell if to let them fill up or not. Personally, I see nothing wrong with pre paying via card.

Personally, i do. Since every time i go to a servo its to 'fill' the car. Its never the same price twice. But i'm not one of those people who goes there for $10 of fuel. I'm happy to leave the card while i fill, but i refuse to pay in advance and do another refund transaction after. I had words with one guy when he said to prepay after i told him i'm filling it. I pointed out its not a delorian so i dont know how much its going to be.

Originally Posted by castellan

It's stupid not to have a rego label on a car, how does one know that it has rego if I have to drive it, a mechanic who has to drive others cars and all is up s creek if something happened.

Cops out of range with the system can not track down if a car is rego or not as well.

So you're saying, if i pay for rego, get a sticker, then immidiately cancel it, you'd be happy to drive the car cause the sticker says so? lol

Its still your responsibility to check it.

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

If i got fined in a work vehicle for no rego you can be sure I d be making work pay for it.
Either that or id take the equivalent value in toilet paper...

With all the apps available now, there simply isn't an excuse. Years ago i could understand it, but not now. I check any car i get into the drivers seat of, even hire cars!

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I don't agree with this. A sticker isn't needed to tell you when to pay your rego.

Do people need stickers on their light switches to remind them to pay an electricity bill?

I totally agree with Yellow Festiva re the50c sticker.You go to look and have a drive of a used car.The salesman says yeah got 7 months rego on this little beauty.Flashing lights your'e unreg old mate.Thats $800 thank you.You are the driver so it is your fine.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

I totally agree with Yellow Festiva re the50c sticker.You go to look and have a drive of a used car.The salesman says yeah got 7 months rego on this little beauty.Flashing lights your'e unreg old mate.Thats $800 thank you.You are the driver so it is your fine.

So in the time leading up to getting in the drivers seat, you dont have 1 minute spare to check the app?

You're not meant to believe anything a saleman says anyway, why would you believe that?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

He thought he may have a chance by pushing the point that a fully maintained fleet car should be just that. He even said in his opening address had it beeen his own car with rego papers sent to his home, and he'd simply forgotten to pay the rego, he'd wear it 100%, but being a fully maintained fleet car, he doesn't see the rego papers at all, so has no warning.

In the judge's warped logic, he probably realizes your mate was wronged by the fleet company, but decided to apply the letter of the law and leave it your mate to pursue the fleet company for compensation. Only people working in the legal system think using the legal system is an efficient way to address a problem....

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Personally, i do. Since every time i go to a servo its to 'fill' the car. Its never the same price twice. But i'm not one of those people who goes there for $10 of fuel. I'm happy to leave the card while i fill, but i refuse to pay in advance and do another refund transaction after. I had words with one guy when he said to prepay after i told him i'm filling it. I pointed out its not a delorian so i dont know how much its going to be.

Pre-pay is how it works in Finland and Norway (at least, probably elsewhere too), and it works quite well. Swipe your card, select the bowser, and what fuel you want and once your card is authorised, it starts the pump. You're not charged until the pump clicks off, so you only pay for what you use.


On topic however...I got at least 2 reminder emails about my rego being due, as well as the papers for the rego and the greenslip in the mail.

It also helps that the whole lot is due the day before my birthday...

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Feathers

Pre-pay is how it works in Finland and Norway (at least, probably elsewhere too), and it works quite well. Swipe your card, select the bowser, and what fuel you want and once your card is authorised, it starts the pump. You're not charged until the pump clicks off, so you only pay for what you use.

Speaking of paying for fuel... are there any bowsers with paywave? Having to go instore is the biggest waste of time. I know they want you to go in and buy overpriced snacks and drinks. I see pumps with what appears to be paywave, but they are either always out of order or require some obscure fuel card.... I thought its 2016?

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by b0son

Speaking of paying for fuel... are there any bowsers with paywave? Having to go instore is the biggest waste of time. I know they want you to go in and buy overpriced snacks and drinks. I see pumps with what appears to be paywave, but they are either always out of order or require some obscure fuel card.... I thought its 2016?

I pay at the pump at the servo i use.

[EBSXR6]

[QUOTE=b0son;5632003]Speaking of paying for fuel... are there any bowsers with paywave?

I have seen Woolworths Pumps but I think the paywave only works with Woolworths Credit Cards.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by b0son

Speaking of paying for fuel... are there any bowsers with paywave? Having to go instore is the biggest waste of time. I know they want you to go in and buy overpriced snacks and drinks. I see pumps with what appears to be paywave, but they are either always out of order or require some obscure fuel card.... I thought its 2016?

This, I have A terrible sweet tooth and whenever I fill up I inevitably buy some snack I shouldn't have haha.
Pay at the pump never seems operational at the pumps I go to.

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by b0son

Speaking of paying for fuel... are there any bowsers with paywave? Having to go instore is the biggest waste of time. I know they want you to go in and buy overpriced snacks and drinks. I see pumps with what appears to be paywave, but they are either always out of order or require some obscure fuel card.... I thought its 2016?

I think there is some around, not paywave but notmal eftpos, enter pin ones. But mostly they are out of order

[Yellow_Festiva]

Pay at the pump is a servo's worst enemy.....

I used to use it often at a few new stations and then one day it was 'out of order'....

Sure it was.... they must have been losing hundreds every day by giving you this little convenience!

[commodorenutt]

Mobil servos had pay at the pump some 20 years ago. It would take eftpos debit as well as credit cards.

You had to put the card in the reader first, and key in your pin number. It would do a pre-check balance, and if funds were low, it would only allow you to fill up to that point - or a bit less - I can't remember exactly. It would stop the pump at that point, just like the cut out on the presets.

Processing of the the payment happened after you put the nozzle back in the pump - spitting out the receipt within seconds. I found it perfect for people like myself & my wife who simply fill it to the brim every time, rather than $20 or $30 here & there, and the inconvenience of extra visits to the servo.

I have no issues with pre-paying at the pump, and would prefer it, as long as the system works how Mobil did it years ago - not this "guess the amount & we'll credit the balance" crap.

The servo near home does pre-pay between 11pm & 5am. I've only had to go there 2-3 times in the last 5 years. One advantage of LPG is the pre-pay servos don't usually enforce it on LPG (the system can't do preset amounts on the older LPG pumps) and man does it annoy the crap out of people who see you pull up, fill up with LPG, and then go pay - when they've had to root around doing a pre-pay. But if pre-pay is such an issue, just get fuel during the hours when they don't have it in place.

But that being said, why would a servo even bother running the plate via the rego app during the pre-pay times?

[GasoLane]

And now.................. Back on topic please.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Personally, i do. Since every time i go to a servo its to 'fill' the car. Its never the same price twice. But i'm not one of those people who goes there for $10 of fuel. I'm happy to leave the card while i fill, but i refuse to pay in advance and do another refund transaction after. I had words with one guy when he said to prepay after i told him i'm filling it. I pointed out its not a delorian so i dont know how much its going to be.



So you're saying, if i pay for rego, get a sticker, then immidiately cancel it, you'd be happy to drive the car cause the sticker says so? lol

Its still your responsibility to check it.



With all the apps available now, there simply isn't an excuse. Years ago i could understand it, but not now. I check any car i get into the drivers seat of, even hire cars!

No, a mate may ask you to drive his car, all is fine but what if someone ran into it or I ran into another.
You did know you did the correct thing the label says you are in the right as far as anyone could know but now how would you have a clue unless you have the modern Phone and are within range ?

The cops can't tell if your car is rego if they are out of range as well, but if the label looks correct all is well. not everyone lives in the city you know.

My responsibility is done by looking at the label and that my dear boy was the way it was done for donkeys years.
Who went and rang the cops to find out, fact is they would just hang up on you for being a moron just wasting their time.
The new age p ants and your modern BS phones are that far up yourselves that you can't see reality, many as such live in a bubble, just so narrow minded and short sighted.

As I have said the cops can't tell if it is or not unless they are within range and as far as the label being wrong that would be highly unlikely to happen, plus it's illegal to have the label sticker on the car if it's not rego.
If some smart **** just payed one month rego and then cancel it, that could become fraud.

If a cop lets a unrego car go now and they crash it and all the problems that that can cause not to mention if someone is hurt, all that could of been avoided before if done the old way.

[290GTP]

Originally Posted by castellan

No, a mate may ask you to drive his car, all is fine but what if someone ran into it or I ran into another.
You did know you did the correct thing the label says you are in the right as far as anyone could know but now how would you have a clue unless you have the modern Phone and are within range ?

The cops can't tell if your car is rego if they are out of range as well, but if the label looks correct all is well. not everyone lives in the city you know.

My responsibility is done by looking at the label and that my dear boy was the way it was done for donkeys years.
Who went and rang the cops to find out, fact is they would just hang up on you for being a moron just wasting their time.
The new age p ants and your modern BS phones are that far up yourselves that you can't see reality, many as such live in a bubble, just so narrow minded and short sighted.

As I have said the cops can't tell if it is or not unless they are within range and as far as the label being wrong that would be highly unlikely to happen, plus it's illegal to have the label sticker on the car if it's not rego.
If some smart **** just payed one month rego and then cancel it, that could become fraud.

If a cop lets a unrego car go now and they crash it and all the problems that that can cause not to mention if someone is hurt, all that could of been avoided before if done the old way.

Think I need a Panadol after reading that lot. My head hurts.

[Beastie]

For your own car, why not put a little sticker with the date your rego is due on the inside where your "next service due" sticker is.

[GREGL]

This is how good it is getting in Qld. You have to rely on the toll providers to inform you if your car is registered in your name .
No joke, I purchased used car in Jan 16, usually it takes transport dept, 2 - 3 weeks to send out a change of ownership notice with details of new registered owner. I am still waiting, a check of the online rego said private use and registered but it wasn't until I received an "fine" from a toll company in my name that I truly knew it was in my name.
So not only have they dropped the label they can't be bothered sending out confirmation of ownership details
These Govt dept seem to grow and grow but their SERVICE certainly doesn't .

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

And now.................. Back on topic please.

It's a stupid bloody topic though.

Blokes that cop out and say "oh I didn't know it was due" - seriously, hand in your licence and sell your car. If you can't remember ONE day when you have to pay a bill that most of us get EVERY year for something you use very regularly and is quite often the second most expensive thing you own, then you're stuffed.

[Blue Shadow]

[QUOTE=b2tf;5633513]It's a stupid bloody topic though.

Blokes that cop out and say "oh I didn't know it was due" - seriously, hand in your licence and sell your car. If you can't remember ONE day when you have to pay a bill that most of us get EVERY year for something you use very regularly and is quite often the second most expensive thing you own, then

Yep, the sticker has nothing to do with it, you still get a renewal. And you dont need brains what to when you get it.

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by whitelion65

Hi,
as the title suggests, I have a mate who has recently copped a fine for non-payment of rego.
He was picked up by number plate recognition. A long story, but it turns out that he had only paid for his green slip, forgetting to pay the actual rego.

Has anyone had experience with applying for leniency in these cases. A copy of the letter used would be great.
Cheers
Steve

So your mate apparently ignores the registration renewal certificate—despite having 28 days in which to pay it—and then whinges about getting fined? Despite him not having any compulsory 3rd party insurance? And despite the fact that if he'd had an accident, he could've been sued for a million dollars?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse in this scenario, so I can only hope he's hit with a financial penalty that'll help him to "remember" to pay the rego next year—when it's due.

[commodorenutt]

There are some legitimate cases of confusion though (as well as the example of fleet cars where you don't get the rego renewal sent to you).

I have a mate in HWP who was assigned one of these camera cars when they first deployed them (many don't realise they used to do this roadside over 14 years ago with a camera on a tripod, but the processing speed was poor.

He told me they had a spate of elderly getting caught up for a little while. It all pointed back to an issue with Pensioner rego renewals online, and with misinformation given by the "greeters" at Service NSW who try to promote self-serve & online interaction (so they can minimise counter staff).

The RMS didn't explain it very well in the literature, and a lot of pensioners duly organised the pink slip, green slip, and were told incorrectly by the greeter, the greenslip company, or misunderstood the poorly written literature, that the pink slip inspection is sent electronically to the RMS, and so is the greenslip confirmation - and figured as they don't need to actually pay any rego, that was it. What they really needed to do was go in & have the paperwork "processed" or do it electronically - but that wasn't made clear.

[BFGasUte]

Hello,

I can see a bit from both sides. If you move a bit, and change Cars it is easy to miss a renewal. The reason the fines are so big now is because they once were not, so cheaper to run the gauntlet. My Woman got busted, she thought there was another Month to go and was budgeting for that. A simple mistake, and her " record " shows temp permits to move un-regoed Cars. I then suggested the idea of a sticker on the windscreen, hasnt happened yet though.

[snopony]

I get a text message warning that my rego is due soon. although the date my car is regoed has been the same for the last 9 years

[Patty]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Whilst I feel for your inconvenience, since when did the RMS/Police outsource their job to console operators.

I'd also be concerned what other information they have access too.

All they do is link your number plate to the VICROADS website. SO there are no privacy breaches. They are doing it to ensure they don't get people coming through with stolen plates.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

There are some legitimate cases of confusion though (as well as the example of fleet cars where you don't get the rego renewal sent to you).

Not in the instance of fleet cars. Check the app, and cover your ***.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by SYZ

So your mate apparently ignores the registration renewal certificate—despite having 28 days in which to pay it—and then whinges about getting fined? Despite him not having any compulsory 3rd party insurance? And despite the fact that if he'd had an accident, he could've been sued for a million dollars?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse in this scenario, so I can only hope he's hit with a financial penalty that'll help him to "remember" to pay the rego next year—when it's due.

Well we are only humans mate & we all make mistakes at times as everyone is not perfect in life but to say this comment " hope he's hit with a financial penalty that'll help him to "remember" is a bit harsh to wish upon any person.

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Not in the instance of fleet cars. Check the app, and cover your ***.

Taken out of context.

My reply was to the post above mine, questioning why you would ignore the renewal certificate. Simple answer: not everyone gets a renewal notice.

As I explained in my earlier posts (which you mustn't have read, or you wouldn't have quoted me out of context) I had to chase the fleet company 4 years running to ensure my rego was paid on time. No renewal notice, no greenslip letter. It was up to me to remember when it was due. But I remember when all my regos are (even cars I sold 10 years ago).

A lot of people are still ignorant to the apps, and don't realise how large the fine is until they get caught.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by commodorenutt

Taken out of context.

My reply was to the post above mine, questioning why you would ignore the renewal certificate. Simple answer: not everyone gets a renewal notice.

As I explained in my earlier posts (which you mustn't have read, or you wouldn't have quoted me out of context) I had to chase the fleet company 4 years running to ensure my rego was paid on time. No renewal notice, no greenslip letter. It was up to me to remember when it was due. But I remember when all my regos are (even cars I sold 10 years ago).

A lot of people are still ignorant to the apps, and don't realise how large the fine is until they get caught.

Ignorance is no excuse.

If the fleet company isn't upholding their end of the contract, surely thats an out and you can find a better company? Especially if it happened 4 years in a row! They'd get one chance with me, 2nd time it happens would be bye bye!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Ignorance is no excuse.

If the fleet company isn't upholding their end of the contract, surely thats an out and you can find a better company? Especially if it happened 4 years in a row! They'd get one chance with me, 2nd time it happens would be bye bye!

But it wouldn't happen to you, because you'd check the app? (just say'n)