How long do you expect holden to make commodores in aus?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Unfortunately the current Commodore is a dead in the water. GM will not allow GMH export markets that potentially eat into US exports (not to mention our dollar for the 10 millionth time). There is already a back lash in the states with the Chev SS not being made in the US, along with a verbal commitment from Detroit that the next one will be. Local volumes of large cars aren't enough to justify continuing production.

I don't want to be negative, but I can't see it lasting.

The Camry/Aurions are global cars where the engineering, design, testing were done in Japan and all the cost's associated with it are atomized globally, yes there was local tuning, but most good Auto makers do local tuning. It doesn't cost Toyota Australia anywhere near as much to make a Camry as it does Holden a Commodore (and they still made a loss), scary stuff for the Auto Industry.

A) define back lash for me
B) Please point in the direction of referenece material I can read to learn about this back lash??

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

A) define back lash for me
B) Please point in the direction of referenece material I can read to learn about this back lash??

A) I assume you know what back lash and are trying to be smart.
B) When the SS way launch in the US, Mark Reuss was peppered with question from the auto media in the US as to why this model isn't locally made. With the follow up response being the next one will be made in the US. I read it as the same time it was released. I will genuinely try to post the link tomorrow for you.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

A) I assume you know what back lash and are trying to be smart.
B) When the SS way launch in the US, Mark Reuss was peppered with question from the auto media in the US as to why this model isn't locally made. With the follow up response being the next one will be made in the US. I read it as the same time it was released. I will genuinely try to post the link tomorrow for you.

So a few questions from the none buying media equal a back lash? Let’s wait for the thing to go on sale, before we start throwing the word "bash lash" around. Just my opinion!! It only has to sell in small numbers by US Sales terms to equal to big numbers in Australia production terms

[fte50]

double post.

[fte50]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t agree.


I consider Camry & Commodore to be competing for the same market (despite what some sales report classes them as). Camry lives with a large export market & a strong local one, why can’t the Commodore? There is no reason why Commodore can't be around for 100 years!!

Couldnt be further from the truth - Camry is competing against Toyota abroad, not Commodore and not Falcon.
Business cases are no longer wholly established on market share, but more so cost margins of available global facilities under the same umbrella, govt assistance programs etc.
Our last Australian Monaro was a unique product with its own market- a true niche vehicle which sold in droves for its market base. It was killed off why ?
Please dont tell me due to platform !
Commodore is finished and its fate was sealed by the 'inhouse dissaproval' of its HFV6 plants failing external sales market and its Alloytech V6 engines shortcomings.

[zilo]

The $AUD is down to 0.95c guys.

Just wait a while longer, imports will soon be more expensive....betcha ..betcha...betcha

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Pretty sure Holden have already announced the VF will be the last AUS engineered RWD Commodore, after VF they will assemble the Malibu and re-badge it as a Commodore.

Malibu launches next week, strong rumor it will have 2.0 diesel as well.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by fte50

Couldnt be further from the truth - Camry is competing against Toyota abroad, not Commodore and not Falcon.Business cases are no longer wholly established on market share, but more so cost margins of available global facilities under the same umbrella, govt assistance programs etc.
Our last Australian Monaro was a unique product with its own market- a true niche vehicle which sold in droves for its market base. It was killed off why ?
Please dont tell me due to platform !
Commodore is finished and its fate was sealed by the 'inhouse dissaproval' of its HFV6 plants failing external sales market and its Alloytech V6 engines shortcomings.

Let me rephrase... Camry & Commodore are competitors in Australia.

Also, you may think Manaro was a unique product, but it was Commodore buyers buying it, so it was by & large competing with the Commodore.
Why was it killed off?? I have no idea!!

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Let me rephrase... Camry & Commodore are competitors in Australia.

Also, you may think Manaro was a unique product, but it was Commodore buyers buying it, so it was by & large competing with the Commodore.
Why was it killed off?? I have no idea!!

The Monaro was a niche product, GM had no plans to build it at first, but the public reaction was so great that they built it in limitted numbers and had a halo vehicle.
Coupes dont get repeat business in Aus.

[fte50]

Not even in Australia are they competitors.

On another note, lets say monaro died a tragic death, succumbed to the persuasive evil forces GM, US Govt, US Auto Workers Union and finally Comaro.

[olds]

Might be a change of Gov. in September . Penalty rates abolished . We could compete with Thailand for about $1.50 Per / Hr .

[fte50]

Originally Posted by olds

Might be a change of Gov. in September . Penalty rates abolished . We could compete with Thailand for about $1.50 Per / Hr .

Whilst they all agree to award themselves a 50k pa pay rise

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I hate the double standards of some people on this forum. Holden has confirmed NOTHING about the next all new Commodore (other than there will be one & it will be a global plant form). "We" as Ford fans did not like what others tried to joint dots about the Falcon, so don’t do it Commodore. For all we know Commodore could continue on as a global RWD plant form, just like it is today.


As Australians, lets hope there is no "used by" date & they continue to build them forever!!

Your right. The only difference between Holden with the commodore and Ford with the Falcon is that Ford have confirmed that local production will cease October 2016. I will put my house on it that the same will be the case for Holden and Toyota by year end. Toyota will be last cause they can afford the losses most.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

If however the large car segment continues to shrink, better they start making something else and keep the production staff employed.

Hummmm...they do...Not a large car though....It's called a Cruze....