What ford engines are more powerful than a 351??? - Page 2

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 06:50 PM

A trio of 97s for me anyday.

nugget378 · 26-10-2007, 06:56 PM

Why did this bloke put a carb on a 5.4 modular you think?
http://www.fordforums.com.au/attachm...chmentid=24735

Here

I wonder when we'll see even a blown and injected one go as well here?

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steamin63 · 26-10-2007, 06:57 PM

not only does the 351 clevo produce sh!tloads of power and torque , the sound of one pulling 6 grand is the closest thing to a bl@w job you can get without dropping your pants.lol.

**Falcon Coupe** · 26-10-2007, 06:58 PM

Smallblocks are where it's at now days, after market block with Cleveland heads (carbed)
I took this video last Sunday, 427ci made 718hp and 616 ft/lb on pump fuel.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v7...t=dandy427.flv

4Vman · 26-10-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Why did this bloke put a carb on a 5.4 modular you think?
http://www.fordforums.com.au/attachm...chmentid=24735

This is why,

http://http://www.n2s1.net/scott/DH2...ustang(Al).wmv

I wonder when we'll see even a blown and injected one go as well here?

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don't mention blowers mate, especially on big blocks.. you'll start another war!!

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

don't mention blowers mate, especially on big blocks.. you'll start another war!!

Too True

nugget378 · 26-10-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

don't mention blowers mate, especially on big blocks.. you'll start another war!!

What are you laughing about,your draft notice has already been sent :P

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Not yet they cant..

Correct me if I'm wrong but funny cars run fuel injection, not a carby

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Post it up Bob,I'd love to see it..

There are plenty of turbo 250 c/f's making in excess of 600hp

rag top · 26-10-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiapan

EFI is for saving trees and little jap cars, i would only use efi if it was an 8 individual throttle body cross trumpet design...mmmmmm supercars, but when it comes to the KISS method, you cant fault a carb, at the end of the day ALL electrics f**ck up, keep it all mechanical baby!

Does all electrics include ignition???

nugget378 · 26-10-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

Correct me if I'm wrong but funny cars run fuel injection, not a carby

Did you even read post 23?
When can we expect to see the mech hat conversion on yours then?

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

There are plenty of turbo 250 c/f's making in excess of 600hp

Well thats a given,guess ill go put a high helix on me lawn mower and claim it makes 100hp without further clarification.
The MOST I know a 250 of making N/A is about 350hp,and that was a methanol injected hamburger with the lot.

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiapan

EFI is for saving trees and little jap cars, i would only use efi if it was an 8 individual throttle body cross trumpet design...mmmmmm supercars, but when it comes to the KISS method, you cant fault a carb, at the end of the day ALL electrics f**ck up, keep it all mechanical baby!

Therers more moving parts to a carb, so the whole KISS thing doesn't apply

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Did you even read post 23?
When can we expect to see the mech hat conversion on yours then

Well maybe you should have clarified on post 11, perhaps I shouldn't comment in case you change your mind in a future post.

nugget378 · 26-10-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

Therers more moving parts to a carb, so the whole KISS thing doesn't apply

I beg to differ.
Besides even if it were so theres more to it than that,a carb is a self compensating device,it works on vacuum through the booster,it will only pull what fuel the car needs at any rpm or throttle position.
Once set correctly,there is very little to go wrong,no dirt in meters,or clogged injectors,and best of all no electronics to short out/reset/get wet,you cant get more simple,also a carb will ALWAYS make more power than EFI where it counts that is testament to those old time engineers that perfected them..

AC/DC · 26-10-2007, 07:45 PM

I heard that a 351 has more power than Barry Dawson ?

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

I beg to differ.
Besides even if it were so theres more to it than that,a carb is a self compensating device,it works on vacuum through the booster,it will only pull what fuel the car needs at any rpm or throttle position.
Once set correctly,there is very little to go wrong,no dirt in meters,or clogged injectors,and best of all no electronics to short out/reset/get wet,you cant get more simple,also a carb will ALWAYS make more power than EFI where it counts that is testament to those old time engineers that perfected them..

So you've never had a stuck needle and seat?? You talk about making power where it counts and I assume by this you mean on the street, do you seriously suggest that a worked carbed motor is a better prospect than a properly tuned EFI setup? Maybe your talking about outright performance in which case you wouldn't bother with a carb and go straight to mech. injection.

RIPGMH · 26-10-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AC/DC

I heard that a 351 has more power than Barry Dawson ?

Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of respect for both Mr Dawson and 351's, however I am a bit more objective than some of the "it was in the HO" diehards you will find on here.

**Falcon Coupe** · 26-10-2007, 07:52 PM

And the topic was ?

photn · 26-10-2007, 07:56 PM

me thinks we should ask RogerCordia what he thinks....

nugget378 · 26-10-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

So you've never had a stuck needle and seat??

Yep I have,and Ive fixed it to get me home by the side of the road with a BASIC tool kit and my lungs.

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You talk about making power where it counts and I assume by this you mean on the street

No in the useable power curve,think top revs in one gear to where you end up shifting the next,usually a 1500-2000rpm drop,power at 1800rpm does'nt matter if your actually using what you have.

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do you seriously suggest that a worked carbed motor is a better prospect than a properly tuned EFI setup?

Yes I do,for one most efi setups just dont have the volume to supply higher HP levels,besides what ive posted before re simplicity a well built modified carb will atomise fuel better that any efi setup,the only efi worth anything for racing is an IR setup,and thats only because you can size runner lengths and csa to suit your combo,and even then they wont make more power,what they will do is "recover" better on gear changes,which evens it up,but we are talking a $5000+ setup.

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

Maybe your talking about outright performance in which case you wouldn't bother with a carb and go straight to mech. injection.

No I wouldnt,try having a look at whats involved in tuning one of them,everything,from feed pressure/return volume to engine temperature rears it head to stuff you up,they are almost undriveable at part throttle a carb is not,besides that I dont know if it would do any better on petrol than an IR sheetmetal manifold with twin carbs..

xtremerus · 26-10-2007, 08:03 PM

EFI for power, efficiency, less emissions
Carby for great power, trips to the servo, and stuff 'global warming'

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 08:03 PM

Take it to PM ferchristsakes This is a good thread and we dont need it closed.

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xtremerus

EFI for power, efficiency, less emissions
Carby for great power, trips to the servo, and stuff 'global warming'

So carby = Global warming.

As Pauline once (many times) said "PLEASE EXPLAIN".

Bent8 · 26-10-2007, 08:21 PM

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351 is all about the sound of its power, not how much power it has.

That's sooo true, the carby V8's will always sound better than an EFI DOHC V8 but today we have so many options for getting more power from our engines eg. a flash tune can get you up to 30hp without even touching the engine!!...benefits of technology I guess.

Back then if you had 1hp/ci you had a well tuned V8...today we have 330ci V8's making 405hp or about 1.2hp/ci. We can thank DOHC and EFI for that...

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

That's sooo true, the carby V8's will always sound better than an EFI DOHC V8 but today we have so many options for getting more power from our engines eg. a flash tune can get you up to 30hp without even touching the engine!!...benefits of technology I guess.

Back then if you had 1hp/ci you had a well tuned V8...today we have 330ci V8's making 405hp or about 1.2hp/ci. We can thank DOHC and EFI for that...

Thats my point. A flash tune can gain more kw but without touching the engine. WHERE IS THE FUN IN THAT. The ideal flash tune for me would be a 60s pin-up girl in a bikini checking my oil. OL' SKOOL all the way.

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xtremerus · 26-10-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EAadam

So carby = Global warming.

As Pauline once (many times) said "PLEASE EXPLAIN".

Where did I say carby = global warming?
It was a tongue in cheek comment that to get great power you use more fuel.
global warming is a myth

Nostalgia · 26-10-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xtremerus

EFI for power, efficiency, less emissions
Carby for great power, trips to the servo, and stuff 'global warming'

Maybe you said it here.

Bent8 · 26-10-2007, 08:42 PM

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Where did I say carby = global warming?
It was a tongue in cheek comment that to get great power you use more fuel.

Ahh global warming...what's that got to do with high-powered V8's

But seriously, car emissions make up a VERY small percentage of all global warming, the sun being the biggest contributor...or so I've heard.

bob 351 · 26-10-2007, 08:42 PM

this thread is fun

GK351 · 26-10-2007, 08:44 PM

if you are worried about global warming ride a pushy.