VFacts January 2023.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Citroen only sold 8. McLaren outsold them with 10

You would have to wonder how long some of those Ultra low Volume Brands will stay in the Country..!!

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Dodge Ram & Chev Silverado combine for a bit over 650 for the Month. Once the F150 comes online should be well over 1000 a month.

Those BIG Utes cop a bit of Flack, but still sell in reasonable Numbers..

First allocations starting now on F150.

[hackney]

[QUOTE=Bossxr8;6781785]Citroen only sold 8. McLaren outsold them with 10


Citroen has never had big volumes in this country from way back, but they still keep soldiering on.They won’t leave anyhow.

[Bossxr8]

[QUOTE=hackney;6781814]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Citroen only sold 8. McLaren outsold them with 10


Citroen has never had big volumes in this country from way back, but they still keep soldiering on.They won’t leave anyhow.

They should. How can they make any money on selling 8 cars?

[hackney]

[QUOTE=Bossxr8;6781831]

Originally Posted by hackney

They should. How can they make any money on selling 8 cars?

No idea, but they are still here.

[Vesper Martini]

[QUOTE=Bossxr8;6781831]

Originally Posted by hackney

They should. How can they make any money on selling 8 cars?

There seems to be more dealerships than cars sold too,

though they seem to be shared dealerships

[hackney]

[QUOTE=Vesper Martini;6781857]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There seems to be more dealerships than cars sold too,

though they seem to be shared dealerships

Yes, there are not many around.In our city there is only one.A lot are with a multi franchise operation, otherwise they would go under.Still a passionate following out there with the marque.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd have one..just need to shift the rear of the carport fence 50cm...

I'd have one Too..I'm more worried about the Wife & Kids putting Parking type Scrapes on It....

[Poetic Justice]

Citroen is under the Stellantis brand, so as long as they're making RHD and sharing showrooms etc, the overhead of the company is likely being overseen by a company that looks after them an Peugeot at least.

I don't believe they share corporate with Jeep at this point yet though.

[DFB FGXR6]

Top 10 Models -

1 Ford Ranger 4749 up 46.3 per cent
2 Toyota HiLux 4131 up 15 per cent
3 Tesla Model 3 2927 N/A
4 Mazda CX-3 2417 up 167.1 per cent
5 Mazda CX-5 2189 down 31.9 per cent
6 Toyota RAV4 1958 up 37.4 per cent
7 Isuzu D-Max 1843 down 2.7 per cent
8 MG ZS 1842 up 16 per cent
9 Mitsubishi Outlander 1674 up 23.8 per cent
10 Hyundai Tucson 1615 up 108.4 per cent

Top 10 Brands -

1 Toyota 13,363 down 12.8 per cent
2 Mazda 9407 down 4.1 per cent
3 Ford 6624 up 46.3 per cent
4 Kia 6006 up 8.8 per cent
5 Hyundai 5809 up 13.3 per cent
6 Mitsubishi 5276 down 19.2 per cent
7 MG 4015 up 13.5 per cent
8 Subaru 3601 up 32.3 per cent
9 Tesla 3313 N/A
10 Isuzu Ute 2671 down 1.6 per cent

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 115
Ford Everest – 1230
Ford Fiesta – 16
Ford Focus – 21
Ford Mustang – 75
Ford Puma – 176
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 499
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4250
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 241
Ford Transit Heavy – 1
Ford Total – 6624

Ute Based Wagons -

Mitsubishi Pajero Sport – 661
Toyota Fortuner – 207
Ford Everest – 1230
Isuzu Ute MU-X – 828

[Fordman]

Third this month, that is a good result overall.

[kevino]

What’s the story with Escape and Puma.
No stock?
Seems to be the case looking at the Brisbane Ford dealers.

[vbomber]

Originally Posted by kevino

What’s the story with Escape and Puma.
No stock?
Seems to be the case looking at the Brisbane Ford dealers.

Here in Melbourne advertising on the radio that they are in stock ready to go for both

[Franco Cozzo]

New Ranger 4x2 sales are up circa 100% on the previous model numbers, two months in a row now.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by vbomber

Here in Melbourne advertising on the radio that they are in stock ready to go for both

Originally Posted by kevino

What’s the story with Escape and Puma.
No stock?
Seems to be the case looking at the Brisbane Ford dealers.

We bought ours in 2021 for $36 d/a with premium paint. Covid tax etc now sees them $40k+. They are a great car and well specced but that's some serious coin. Most manufacturers have seen the same price creep though. I just think 100-200/month is about where they are. Perhaps with the increase in popularity with ranger and Everest it might eventually drag some of the other models up, with the increased traffic through the dealers.

[EBSXR6]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Citroen only sold 8. McLaren outsold them with 10

I'm really surprised by this. Prado had been number 1 for years and years, and it finally gets knocked off and crickets. And it wasn't just a one off, it's been 2 months in a row now. Are the journos too afraid to report Toyota's losses?

With the Journos it is all about the Advertising $$$.....
Toyota are the big spenders don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Exactly. It's easy to make big numbers when you include 3 months worth of deliveries in one month, and then have stuff all the next few months.



The articles rarely mention this.

Remind us how many FGX Falcons were made? I'll give you a hint, the entire FGX from 2014 to 2018 (last recorded new sale) run was a few hundred off the Tesla model 3 YTD for last year.

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[prydey]

Originally Posted by kypez

Remind us how many FGX Falcons were made? I'll give you a hint, the entire FGX from 2014 to 2018 (last recorded new sale) run was a few hundred off the Tesla model 3 YTD for last year.

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I find this argumentative. No mention was made of falcon numbers.

Simply, at the moment, tesla3 isn't a top 3 selling car.

It's not a personal attack to mention this.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

I find this argumentative. No mention was made of falcon numbers.

Simply, at the moment, tesla3 isn't a top 3 selling car.

It's not a personal attack to mention this.

How so - it's literally in third position.

If you want to take a proper look at sales figures then you need to do it on a yearly basis.

These figures aren't measuring 'sales' on a monthly basis, they're measuring new registrations in that month.

How can you use this data to measure 'sales in January 2023' when the Ranger you ordered in January 2023 is probably going to be registered in June 2024?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

What’s the story with Escape and Puma.
No stock?
Seems to be the case looking at the Brisbane Ford dealers.

I think you’ll find that everything on a boat is pre sold months in advance,
getting Pumas and Escape out of Europe is a never ending struggle…..

Ranger + Everest sales has to be close to 90% of Ford’s sales last month.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by kypez

Remind us how many FGX Falcons were made? I'll give you a hint, the entire FGX from 2014 to 2018 (last recorded new sale) run was a few hundred off the Tesla model 3 YTD for last year.

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This sounds like a bitter juvenile post.

Why would someone in this Forum mention the above, what has this to do with 3 months of Telsa sales ?

The Falcon is dead, it has nothing to do with VFacts January 2023

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How so - it's literally in third position.

If you want to take a proper look at sales figures then you need to do it on a yearly basis.

These figures aren't measuring 'sales' on a monthly basis, they're measuring new registrations in that month.

How can you use this data to measure 'sales in January 2023' when the Ranger you ordered in January 2023 is probably going to be registered in June 2024?

That's, fine. Measure the results by year and then tell me which models are the most different to their monthly sales stats...

I don't mind waiting...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

That's, fine. Measure the results by year and then tell me which models are the most different to their monthly sales stats...

I don't mind waiting...

Toyota sitting in first by over a hundred thousand cars over second?

Yeah I know right can't believe people are so drab either

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by barra240t

How come Everest doesn't get a mention?

Large SUV < $70k Ford Everest (1230) Toyota Prado (1182) Kia Sorento (1043)

Dark horse this year. (not the mustang)

It would be great if Everest would keep selling at 1,200 to 1,500 per month,
something tells me that a 2.3 EB option offered in other markets might add
plenty of sales for Everest and perhaps certain Ranger trims in 2x4 and 4x4…


On another note, let’s hope that Ford finally starts making more Mach Es,
it’s about time that Ford Australia got an electric SUV….

[kypez]

Originally Posted by prydey

I find this argumentative. No mention was made of falcon numbers.

Simply, at the moment, tesla3 isn't a top 3 selling car.

It's not a personal attack to mention this.

But it outsold the highest selling sedan for a very long time last year. Credit where credit is due, the sedan is selling very well. Some people just can't say one nice thing nor concede that they're going well

Originally Posted by Fordman1

This sounds like a bitter juvenile post.

Why would someone in this Forum mention the above, what has this to do with 3 months of Telsa sales ?

The Falcon is dead, it has nothing to do with VFacts January 2023

Because it puts in perspective the result of almost 11,000 cars sold last year and the almost 3000 for January. That even if supply ebs and flows, it's still decent numbers to put on the board early. Monthly numbers were a problem, ok. Yearly result was pretty decent, still nothing good to say. Next year, back to the monthly numbers and waiting to see Yearly numbers. Only for that to be dismissed again.

I don't care for Tesla per say. Point is Ford could be missing a trick by not even trying to address this market locally because certain feedback groups tell them sedans are dead and no one wants an EV.

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[prydey]

Originally Posted by kypez

Because it puts in perspective the result of almost 11,000 cars sold last year and the almost 3000 for January.

Mentioning that tesla figures fluxuate more than nearly all other manufacturers due to the way they do shipments, isn't being negative but also offering perspective.

Or do you dispute this fact?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It would be great if Everest would keep selling at 1,200 to 1,500 per month,

something tells me that a 2.3 EB option offered in other markets might add

plenty of sales for Everest and perhaps certain Ranger trims in 2x4 and 4x4…





On another note, let’s hope that Ford finally starts making more Mach Es,

it’s about time that Ford Australia got an electric SUV….

I drove the old EB Everest in China and I thought it was fantastic. Smoother, felt quicker and just more refined. I'm just not sure our market would embrace the engine in that segment. And to be fair to the Everest, the new V6 has been well received and they can't keep up with demand as is so no need to introduce another engine into the lineup just yet. Once demand tapers, they can investigate it. Or if states introduce emissions based rego like they have done in ACT.

Mach E couldn't get here soon enough though they need to price it right. I don't think they will given their track record but they did drop the price to match Tesla in the US so maybe they'll price it similar to the Y. With Tesla slowly opening up their network to other cars, it makes other brands look very attractive.

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[kypez]

Originally Posted by prydey

Mentioning that tesla figures fluxuate more than nearly all other manufacturers due to the way they do shipments, isn't being negative but also offering perspective.



Or do you dispute this fact?

Agreed. Which is why we waited for the year totals. But even that wasn't good enough!

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[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yep 2nd month in a row. It came within about 100 or so of beating it the month before that too.

Who would have thought this was going to happen even 6 months ago. Prado has lost it's 5 star safety rating as well, so it's probably copped a huge drop in fleet sales.

Prado wait time is "we're not sure" if you order one you'll probably get a next generation model.
It's sales figures are due to supply, nothing more.

Thailand factorys are just more efficient at pumping out vehicles than Japanese ones at the moment.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by kypez

But it outsold the highest selling sedan for a very long time last year. Credit where credit is due, the sedan is selling very well. Some people just can't say one nice thing nor concede that they're going well Because it puts in perspective the result of almost 11,000 cars sold last year and the almost 3000 for January. That even if supply ebs and flows, it's still decent numbers to put on the board early. Monthly numbers were a problem, ok. Yearly result was pretty decent, still nothing good to say. Next year, back to the monthly numbers and waiting to see Yearly numbers. Only for that to be dismissed again.

I don't care for Tesla per say. Point is Ford could be missing a trick by not even trying to address this market locally because certain feedback groups tell them sedans are dead and no one wants an EV.

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No it’s a rubbish juvenile internet post about the last Ford built in Australia, it’s also disrespectful for anyone that engineered, or helped to manufacture the last of the Australian built fords. It has nothing to do with your Tesla obsession.

It’s a “**** post” on “The Australian Ford Forum”, but you’ll argue it isn’t.