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The problem is the stupid Euros have canned their ICE products going forward, and are bringing unaffordable EV ****boxes to the retail customer
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compact Maverick pickup is a gem and I think it would do well as a vehicle below Ranger, a minim me if you like that attracts buyers weary of an ocean of SUVs It truly craps all over Escape, don’t know why Ford even bothers with it… The Bronco Sport SUV may be worth a shot too… ![]() |
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and manufacturers see an opportunity to climb on board and pass on all costs to buyers but also killing the vehicles that make the profits to support BEVs. Are they riding to a big fall in profits? It concerns me that VW and Toyota now appear to be getting into bet with Chinese BEV manufacturers as a workaround but I guess that’s not much different to what Ford did with VW electric vehicle sourcing… |
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Ignoring our market for the Maverick is an absolute joke given we have a fetish for dual cab utes. You could slot it in under Ranger in that $30K-$50K price range. Quote:
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Whats the NVH like in Maverick? |
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Its based on the Focus C2 platform, so no doubt it'll be more car like than Thailand Special like, its unibody construction not body on frame like the Thailand Specials.
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Funny 20 years ago LPG was the future.
So much so some manufactures made a dedicated version ? can hardly find a pump now. 10 years ago Diesel was the future, now that's being cut from production. 2022 Ev's Flavor of the month. Now in massive sales decline. Hydrogen is the smart future. The smart manufactures around the world are going this way. The cheap and nastie manufactures are going electric. |
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Hydrogen fuel cells only make sense for something where weight is an issue - like on a truck. Otherwise the end to end process is a WOFTAM: - Create hydrogen from electrolysis (massive amounts of energy - brown coal in VIC?) - Energy losses from having to compress and store it somewhere - Energy losses from having to pump it into a truck - Energy losses from having to pump it from truck into another storage tank at the servo When you could skip all that bull**** and just plug your Tesla Model 3 into the wall at home? Only viable for commercial vehicles, where having 30 tonnes of lithium ion batteries to have the same energy density of 1.5 tonnes of diesel doesn't work because you cop a 30 tonne payload penalty. This is where hydrogen fuel cells suddenly make a lot of sense. |
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Not from the china steel wind farms. That carbon footprint is massive. I built them. |
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If you want an example of another way of using hydrogen in an internal combustion engine - Toyota has a great example of it at the moment:
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There's a vehicle using hydrogen like you would unleaded in an internal combustion engine, and its a piece of ****. You can use it as a fuel cell to generate electricity for an electric motor, but then you take into account all the problems of making and storing hydrogen, when you can do the exact same thing with a normal EV that you just plug into the wall with existing infrastructure. BMW tried the exact same thing in the early 1990s and again in 2007 with their Hydrogen 7, and it did 50L/100km on hydrogen and made a heap less power on hydrogen than the unleaded version of their V12. |
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Solar is only viable because of government subsidies.
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Aren’t they like a BEV Lots of CO2 in production But once they are operating sfa CO2 Let us know I don’t know much at all about wind farms but they seem to be getting awfully popular |
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You're going off on a tangent - hydrogen is a waste of time for passenger vehicles. |
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I own a diesel Territory.
A vehicle only produced because of a threat from Ford to pull out of manufacturing in Aus when it did not confirm to euro 5. If you accelerate in this vehicle you add a couple of degrees to climate change. |
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towers were made in Portland now made in china. |
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Solar is just everywhere now and my understanding is it is doing a great job for people with panels on their house and dragging the cost of electricity down. But happy to hear alternative views. |
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We have seen the light and now run in my case low emission euro three cylinder petrol and in Franco s case a relatively cleaner four cyl euro, relatively being a relaxed term. |
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I find it very cost effective but I'm not connected to the grid.
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Case in point, the WZ Fiesta ST which replaced it does 6.5L/100km and makes the same amount of torque as the LV TDCI Focus from 1500 RPM (instead of 2000 RPM) with an extra 59KW of power, its 400cc smaller capacity at 1.6L vs 2L. So to save .8L/100km you made 59KW less power and the same amount of torque 500 RPM later, with more expensive maintenance costs because the filters cost 2.5x more. Add in now Euro 5/6 diesels have SCR and a $6000-$8000 DPF in the exhaust and its another expense added. There's a lot of life left in ICE (internal combustion engine, not glass BBQ type), but diesel and hydrogen ain't it for passenger vehicles. Nor is hydrogen a replacement for other usages like natural gas - it'll leak out of the pipes of existing infrastructure because of its tiny molecule size. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 26-11-2023 at 03:10 PM. |
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The only ones that do are cheating. And they have been caught before. Last edited by olds; 26-11-2023 at 03:23 PM. |
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Watch what will happen - we'll get close to Euro 7/Euro 8 and Bosch will suddenly come out with something they've been sitting on for years saying - oh look, we have a way to make diesel engines meet Euro 7/8 emissions regulations! How convenient!
They have form holding back technology they've created until things look like its coming to an end, then suddenly they've 'saved the day' again and the OEMs are beholden to their fuel injection systems. |
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Dont think Bosch is the answer though. Would be looking too japan. certainly not USA |
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Well there you go, I'm not contributing, driving up the energy prices and sending the country broke by eating out as well. Think I better not get that haircut.
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