Another Qantas flight goes wrong... - Page 2

Bobman · 26-08-2011, 08:55 PM

The highest death toll in an Australian aviation disaster was 40 in 1943 and that was a military flight.

The largest plane to ever crash in Australia was a RAAF Boeing 707 off East Sale, Victoria with the loss of 5 lives.

I don't think we have much to worry about anymore here, considering we got through the 70s, 80s & 90s, which were the worst decades in aviation safety globally.

**DJM83** · 26-08-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

ive been on 40+ qantas flights in the last 10 months i reckon and not one issue...

i'm day tripping to karratha tomorrow, 737 there, 717 back and you make me nervous about the engine popping ha ha

the only issue ive had in a flight was on a skywest flight from Esperance back to Perth and it was too turbulent to serve lunch. I was so hungry :(

Something in this post, now it seems people always focus on the negatives no matter what.
No im not sayin this isnt a serious issue or any other for that matter but how about some focus on the positives like the above post.

Adamz Ghia · 26-08-2011, 09:41 PM

QANTAS have out scourced to remain competitive against the newer state backed airlanes from the Middle East. How else are they meant to do it? People will fly with who's best for their wallets, no different to what we buy. Another thing, could the rise in faults simply be from the rise in media reports about them...? As in they were always there it's just we're paying more attention to them now...

dags41v · 27-08-2011, 07:17 AM

I will continue to fly Qantas despite the rise in reported incidents but the new Q bag tags have me a bit baffled. Out of the last 5 trips I have been on, twice my bags have gone on their own holiday before joining me later ........ sort of ruins the convenience.

mik · 27-08-2011, 10:00 AM

pics of bags laying on beach sipping cocktails ??

HLC · 27-08-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

I'd do about 80 to 90 Qantas flights a year, sometimes more. The newer planes are OK but the 767s are a pile of junk for reliability. Nice plane in their time but they are due to be pensioned off.

Agreed. everytime i hop on a 767 i cringe... the A330's are great though!!! I saw a 747 pull up at the domestic terminal in Perth the other day, and even that was looking a bit worse for wear (externally) :(

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Originally Posted by thedutchman92

717 mate...I would be nervous

HA HA no issues!!! I had the nice sandwich pack too! Salami with cheese and roasted capsicum relish!! Better than the usual lettuce/chicken ones you get on 717's ha ha

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Something in this post, now it seems people always focus on the negatives no matter what.
No im not sayin this isnt a serious issue or any other for that matter but how about some focus on the positives like the above post.

I definately see where you are coming from Dallas, and im not a nervous flier lol but the more I watch Air Crash Investigation and the like, and hear about planes breaking in WA (esp going to Newman) when as soon as they build a Maccas there, ill be heading up that way, makes me a touch nervous ha ha

BAGT514 · 05-10-2011, 12:16 AM

Well,

SUPRISE SUPRISE

The 2pm Qantas flight from Newman to Perth popped an engine today not long after take-off....

ltd · 05-10-2011, 08:25 AM

Meh.
There's issues with all airlines. I've seen a Delta DC10 pop its number 2 (in the tail) on the ramp.
I've seen a BA747 pop number 3 shortly after rotation, only to declare it would continue on 3 engines. It later declared a fuel emergency and diverted.

I've also seen up close and personal the new 787 that will replace the 767 starting next year; be excited, it's going to revolutionise flying.
As for the engineers going offshore, it's nothing new, although over 93% of maintenance gets done here.

**ebxr8240** · 05-10-2011, 08:31 AM

I'm flying out in 5 hours...
Only 3 hour flight to N.Z...
We trust these people big time...

richo77 · 05-10-2011, 09:18 AM

To the OP, if you are so concerned about Qantas then i'd suggest to stop flying. It's that simple. Is anyone holding a gun to your head to get on that plane? I'm sure you could find a local job in QLD less than an hours drive from home but you fly because you want more money, which I dont fault you for by the way.

Planes or anything else mechanical will fail, no matter where it gets serviced or by whom.

Neale · 06-10-2011, 12:51 AM

Its false ecconomy sending maintenance overseas to another company. For example when heavy maintenance was in Sydney. If an aircraft had a problem, there was a ready supply of parts. Now they have to be hired from other companies to get them through. because they cant grab an engine or other parts of an another aircraft that wont be flying for a while while its being re furbished.

Also theres a case where they get delays in asia when a Qanats plane gets put on the waiting list because another companies aircraft jumps the que because they pay more. Hence lost profits because the aircraft is out of action for longer than necessary. Then when it gets back the job sometimes isnt doen properly & has to be fixsed again when it gets back here.

I makes you wonder why aussies should support them when they dont support us. Why dont we just use a cheaper asian airline.

Qantas had a reputaion built on being safe & Australian. People were willing to pay a little more because of that. Now there shifting all the jobs overseas & the safety is becomming questionable. Will people still pay a little more to fly with them?

I feel sorry for people like my old neighbour that did his apprenteship with Qantas in heavy maintenance, now all the jobs are going overseas, he will have to either go overseas to get a job or get a new career.

vhcbm · 06-10-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Neale

I feel sorry for people like my old neighbour that did his apprenteship with Qantas in heavy maintenance, now all the jobs are going overseas, he will have to either go overseas to get a job or get a new career.

Unfortunately for aviation in Australia there isn't much choice for jobs as we don't really have that many airlines, 2 of which are Qantas anyway (Jetstar and Qantas airways).

Virgin is coming up the ranks and expanding quickly which means more jobs. But at the end of the day it's British so the money you pay for a ticket with them is probably partly going overseas.

Tiger...well.

JC · 06-10-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kaniSS

They keep outsourcing to Asia it's only a matter of time before a plane goes down.

before a prane go down?

FGII-XR6 · 06-10-2011, 07:45 AM

I don't think the number of defects in relation to the number of flights has increased but we now have a media that just loves knocking anyone they can just for a story. mechanical faults are a fact of life be it aircraft trains trucks or any form of transport, the important thing is not the defects it is how the are handled. qantas still has the best record in the world ( no passenger fatalities from crash or mechanical defect) a record imposible to better.
Being late is better than not getting there at all and as I see it qantas have done things that may cause inconvenience but have done so in the interest of public safety. maybe it's time to get behind our national airline instead of constantly knocking it

FPVGT500 · 06-10-2011, 07:55 AM

1000 jobs lost but also the Qantas CEO yearly salary trippled as i was told by a engineer, if flying internationaly go Emirates

69XWGT · 06-10-2011, 08:58 AM

While they're out sourcing their maintenance it's going to keep happening.

They pay for a service and thats what they get , exactly whats on the service schedule.

Where as the QANTAS guys working for the company will be checking a lot more than what is required.

ltd · 06-10-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Neale

Its false ecconomy sending maintenance overseas to another company. For example when heavy maintenance was in Sydney. If an aircraft had a problem, there was a ready supply of parts. Now they have to be hired from other companies to get them through. because they cant grab an engine or other parts of an another aircraft that wont be flying for a while while its being re furbished.

Also theres a case where they get delays in asia when a Qanats plane gets put on the waiting list because another companies aircraft jumps the que because they pay more. Hence lost profits because the aircraft is out of action for longer than necessary. Then when it gets back the job sometimes isnt doen properly & has to be fixsed again when it gets back here.

I makes you wonder why aussies should support them when they dont support us. Why dont we just use a cheaper asian airline.

Qantas had a reputaion built on being safe & Australian. People were willing to pay a little more because of that. Now there shifting all the jobs overseas & the safety is becomming questionable. Will people still pay a little more to fly with them?

I feel sorry for people like my old neighbour that did his apprenteship with Qantas in heavy maintenance, now all the jobs are going overseas, he will have to either go overseas to get a job or get a new career.

Heavy maintenance has gone to Avalon, not overseas.
VH-OEH a 438 is down there right now.

Pedro · 06-10-2011, 09:40 AM

As far as questionable maintenance is concerned, I think it pertains to all airlines as they scramble to cut costs to provide cheap flights.

On my last two trips to America with Northwest, the Airbus A330's I've been on have been involved in "incidents". The last one was the worst I have encountered in hundreds of hours flying over many years.

Midway over the Pacific between Honolulu and San Francisco the starboard engine blew an oil line and had to be shut down. Sitting in an aluminium tomb for three hours hoping the port one kept going till we reached the mainland, and then engaging in an emergency landing at Portland with fire engines and ambulances lining the runway was not my idea of a good time.

Later, on checking the Aviation Safety Network site http://aviation-safety.net/index.php, I found the "incident" hadn't even been reported.

Further checking revealed that Airbus's have had innumerable "incidents" of the engine oil lines blowing.

MAD · 06-10-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

Agreed. everytime i hop on a 767 i cringe... the A330's are great though!!! I saw a 747 pull up at the domestic terminal in Perth the other day, and even that was looking a bit worse for wear (externally) :(

Glad to see someone hates the 767 as much as I do. I dont even fly that much but they leave a large impression.
My first flight on an A320 with jetstar to Hamilton Is. was a shock, I couldnt beleive air travel could be so comfortable... haha.

thedutchman92 · 06-10-2011, 12:45 PM

Here's an idea, why don't they market safety and the romance of flight above cost cutting and charge more for their tickets, or have Australian's become too stingy of a nation?

ltd · 06-10-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thedutchman92

Here's an idea, why don't they market safety and the romance of flight above cost cutting and charge more for their tickets, or have Australian's become too stingy of a nation?

Paul Stoddart tried that with Ozjet, and it was a massive flop.
Low cost carriers are here to stay unfortunately and they have changed the game forever.

Australians have become enormously stingey, and those that complain the loudest are always those passengers who paid less than half the cost for an economy ticket, or those who upgraded with points.

Thornie · 06-10-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVGT500

1000 jobs lost but also the Qantas CEO yearly salary trippled as i was told by a engineer, if flying internationaly go Emirates

Yep, he sacks 1000 workers gives himself a 70% pay rise and i read he is now under the guard because he is recieving death threats.

Ben73 · 06-10-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

did you crash.... no... i dont see the problem....

Really? or just sarcasm.

When you watch all those air crash documentaries, it's always all the little things that add up and cause a major problem.

Similar to the Swiss cheese model, when all the little holes line up, it causes a big problem.

FPVGT500 · 06-10-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RaTTuS

Yep, he sacks 1000 workers gives himself a 70% pay rise and i read he is now under the guard because he is recieving death threats.

That is also true, he asked for it

nuthin' fancy · 07-10-2011, 08:23 AM

QANTAS have not lost an airframe in the jet age but I once read that a small jet had a very hard landing in Darwin and QANTAS paid three times the cost of replacing the plane with a new one to keep that record intact.

Jimmyd · 07-10-2011, 08:57 AM

717 hard landing Gove-Drarwin flight - airframe written off, ATSB classified as 'accident'.

You might be thinking of the 1999 747 Bancock incident where they spent $100m to repair the airframe...

Jimmyd · 07-10-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyd

717 hard landing Gove-Drarwin flight - airframe written off, ATSB classified as 'accident'.

You might be thinking of the 1999 747 Bancock incident where they spent $100m to repair the airframe...

My error, hull was not written off - repaired and returned to service - VH-NXE popped an engine in May this year in Perth....

pottery beige · 07-10-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyd

717 hard landing Gove-Drarwin flight - airframe written off, ATSB classified as 'accident'.

hahaha.. always use to fly on that jigger......
just on Quantas... i easily did around 200 flights in my few years up Gove (6 jets to get home and back every few weeks)... me never had a problem..

ltd · 07-10-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nuthin' fancy

QANTAS have not lost an airframe in the jet age but I once read that a small jet had a very hard landing in Darwin and QANTAS paid three times the cost of replacing the plane with a new one to keep that record intact.

You're sort of right it did ripple the skin near the wing fairing, and it did cost a bomb to repair.
The only thing is though, even though it says Qantaslink on the side, it's actually a Cobham Aviation Services plane (formerly National Jet Systems).
They contract the crews and the plane to Qantaslink. Any failures on their part are connected more to Cobham than Qantas. All maintenance etc is contracted through Cobham as well.

pottery beige · 07-10-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

You're sort of right it did ripple the skin near the wing fairing, and it did cost a bomb to repair.
The only thing is though, even though it says Qantaslink on the side, it's actually a Cobham Aviation Services plane (formerly National Jet Systems).
They contract the crews and the plane to Qantaslink. Any failures on their part are connected more to Cobham than Qantas. All maintenance etc is contracted through Cobham as well.

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ouch.....
i had a few dark, wet and windy landings in Gove...
all good i'm still here.....