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[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by mr_efxr

In the end guys, we have all do some stupid shit out there on the roads but some of us are more mature and careful about it than others (meaning there is always the right place and the right time) without causing harm or disturbance. Its not the car that needs to be punished its the driver behind the wheel, a car cannot do line lockies by itself, it needs somebody to give it a bit of TLC in order to do that.

GUNS and CARS don't kill people, PEOPLE kill PEOPLE.

wat i dont like is that the authorities strictly put the focus on the younger drivers damn well knowing that a lot of older fully licenced drivers r the same. while im a p plater im just gonna keep gettn harassed for no reason and i will b damned if i do P off just to escape the cops and so the government can put sum more money in their FAT piggy bank and very little of it seems to b put back into the community

[Psycho Chicken]

I must be doing something wrong, 18 months on my P's, always display P plates in my car and I've never been pulled over. My car is too low as well, so it can't be all due to the car.

[MITCHAY]

u might b just lucky, had fair cops round, or they have bigger fish to fry. it amazes me how many of my friends get pulled over and then the cops walk off wit nuthn coz they got nuthn illegal. i mean sum cops r so preoccupied with wantin to defect sum1 they just lose basic sense. for example i was parked on the side of the street waitin to pick sum friends up at lunch from school. a cop pulled right up to my front bumper and then asked where r my P plates after lookn at my licence. I said well if u move ur car u cant miss em lol. then proceeded to do a check on my car and found nuthn. lol have a look pic at this pick its not as if u can miss my plates, and if u can see anythn illegal bout my car (sorry bout pic quality but its a phone camera)

[Dez]

are they 17" rims you have on that ?

if they are, then thats enough to defect you straight away. lol.

im a p plater, my car is too low, its shiny, and has shiny wheels and black windows...ive never been pulled over, and my p plates are clearly displayed at all times.....they do pick on p platers in general, but usually its p platers in very hotted up cars...

if the cops want this shit to stop, then why not be there when its happening....it cant be that hard to find out where this shit happens, and fine the shit out of all involved....not listen to ma and pa when they saw (heard) a car that was speeding, because it sounded louder than their car.

[FPVWEPN]

ohh they are there alright trust me they just get there a bit late and when random nights are chosen along with different locations they sorta get put off track
u people gotta understand that these meets arent held in housing estate or shopping strips!!
Industrial estates at 10pm on weeknight are probrably the safest place to drag or have burnout comps wouldnt you agree?????
Besides this shit has been going on for decades now!!!
If the cops really cared about your safety they would have done something about these by now, if they stop these meets what are tog's gonna do then??? the'll be outa work! its all a money making excersice if you ask me!!

[FPVWEPN]

also aca and today tonight should stick to what they do best:
product reviews lol

[MITCHAY]

nah they r 16"x6.5" speedy longchamps. wanted 17" but TX5s have 5.5" wide stock and u can only go one inch wider in ACT (i dunno bout other states). had 7" wide rims when i first got it and got knocked back on insurance even though it passd rego. was not happy as the spokes r fairly chunky than i thought they would b and appear as 15" wheels when they r 16" wheels so didnt really get wat i paid for. my car is a legal as they come, from wheels, tyres, exhaust-its all done by the book. consultes rego and insurance on everythn.

it seems a lot of cops decisions r based on their judgement and not equipment ie( subs and exhaust-it may sound loud to them but if they used testin equipment would it b illegal) in most cases prolly not.

also speedin unless they r driving next to u or behind at the speed limit and ur accelerating thats can b a judgement call. and anutha thing how many ppl could actually tell if they r p plate drivers if they didnt have p plates. wat purpose do they serve other than to attract police attention? if u had a licenced driver and an p plate driver both hooning with same car next to eachother could u really tell the difference- i think not! its all just crap.

[bindi]

Originally Posted by T_Terror

Wow great to see more people enjoying the stimulating news on current events as presented by those pillars of journalistic excellence: ACA and TodayTonight.

You can sleep well tonight knowing that its suckers like you that dragged the rest of the country down with your support of ridiculous laws like the speeding obsession and car confiscation.

Keep blaming young people for everything. It justs perpetuates the "us versus them" mentality which will live through the next generation and be passed down to the next.

You and I are twins my friend. I refuse to watch these shows and get really angry at my stupid mother who seems to think these shows are "news" and takes their word as gospel. Anyone else who thinks these shows are worth watching probably also love John Laws and Alan Jones.

I always think of Frontline, does anyone remember that show (D-Gen and The Panel ppl)? It rocked, cos it showed exactly what these shows are really like. If you haven't seen it, go to the video shop and hire them. Friggin priceless.

[Spider_GT]

lol i bet you there all p plates and funny how most of them where shitboxs and no fords there hey lol

[LTDHO]

I watched it and for a change I actually agreed with the ACA report. Normally it's BS but last night was good.

Firstly the people they interviewed should be taken of the raod for 10 years. "If they take my car, I will build a faster one" Words to describe him would get be banned on this forum!
The speeds the cars were doing were beyond stupid.

This wasn't a case of 'picking on P platers' it was actual footage of cars braking the law.

Did anyone notice one VL had a 'For Sale' sign and his phone number on the back window? What a looser!

[bindi]

Originally Posted by MADXF

This is probably going to stir up a heap of shit.....
What I reckon the biggest issue with all this crap of these hoons, and basically today's society in general, is?....

Lack of respect for any power figure, be it a teacher, a parent or a police officer.....all brought on by the useless practise of positive reinforcement....

Thats what it all boils down to, If there was respect in this society things would be very different. I know I was brought up with a high emphasis on respect.

Yes this is true to a point. I know that things have changed, and there is not much respect for others, but I am not sure if this is the main reason for this behaviour.

Oh I've been dying to say this - here goes! "Back in my day" (yay! I said it! lmfao) when I was a late teen I only had to be on my Ps for one year. Also none of my friends had any thought of hotting up their cars. I never saw doofa cars (didn't even have subs), didn't even know what modding meant.

We just drove whatever we could afford and tried to keep up with fixing it. There was no way a teenager could get a serious loan, even if they had a full time job. Mostly, you just borrowed mum and dad's car until you got a car that you and/or your parents could afford to buy.

I drove an HQ wagon (Dad's). My friends drove an EA (they were nearly new back then), a colt, a bluebird, a VL etc etc etc. There was no concept of changing anything from standard. And yes, we were targetted as P platers but it wasn't them going over the car to see what mods they could defect, it was them going over the car to see if your tyres weren't bald!

So perhaps there is something in that? Just a thought.

[HOON69]

if ppl think its only p platers who are under 25 just being the problem then your a bloody idiot.

i for one agree that the guys in this story do deserve to have their rides taken and their licences from em,by force if needs be,they were doing silly stuff in traffic with no regard to anyones safety.

the story in qld goldcoast was about the hoons driving up n down some steep crests trying to get airborne the road itself is narrow and they needed more then the kick in the **** for their troubles thats for sure..


remember it aint just young drivers out their running a muck on our roads
how many of the community drive at rediculous speeds to and from work everyday
add them numbers up and compare em to hoons
yet you see nothing being done about speeding in general etc etc etc

its all good to make young ppl escape goats for society but where should the blame lie,i believe not just with the drivers but the goverment too.


also the media are just idiots
they basically showed a few hundred more hoons where to go to get their cars airborne etc the media broadcasting spots just helps the next idiot get his next thrill,as for victoria well as someone else said wasnt it mostly holdens in that with a few imports chucked in,and what about peter brock LMFAO
he has a point though(kind of). :

[Dez]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

nah they r 16"x6.5" speedy longchamps. wanted 17" but TX5s have 5.5" wide stock and u can only go one inch wider in ACT (i dunno bout other states).

lol. same car as me mate (mines a red 1990 ghia) and the same rims....

[brenx]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

I reckon deal with it and move on. They pic on P-Platers, big whoop, it's a whole 3 years. I'm sure it's always happened and it's only going to get worse.

The minority ruining it for the majority is part of life.

I removed my P plates after 2 years to stop being pulled over. I was getting pulled over as much as twice a day. I owned a pine and lime Escort Rally pack that was stock apart from a 2 1/4" sports system.

One the "P" please pull me over plates were gone the problem was fixed. I've been pulled over less than 10 times since I removed the P plates and had my license the best part of 12 years.

MY P plate years instilled a paranoia about police though. As I encountered some good apples but mostly bad apples. I still experience the same now when they see me in the XB.

My last experience is they chased me down from the otherside of the fwy. Which wouldn't have been hard I was only doing 90kph. They canaried the car. There was 1 item that was illegal for road use. Chasing me down though is a tad harsh though I think! Fair enough if I was doing a 200kph pass or something. I was minding my own business!

[TheSneakiness]

I totally agreed with what the people had to say on ACA. Those dickheads give everyone else a bad name and innocent drivers doing the right thing are getting pulled over and checked.

I drive using the following way of thinking... Respect your car, do the wrong thing, it will turn around and bite you on the ***. Not to say that I drive like an old Granny, but come on, think people.

Another side note, notice that most of them were driving Commos... hmm, hmm????

pulled over once, then your usual RBT's etc


When I had this, pulled over 5 times a week easily + Hassled at RBT's, stolen checks, etc.

[TURBO_GHIA]

did any one notice there were no fords ,maybe it's a holden/nissan thing

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by HOON69

i for one agree that the guys in this story do deserve to have their rides taken and their licences from em,by force if needs be,they were doing silly stuff in traffic with no regard to anyones safety.

I agreed with u on that. if u get caught doin stupid shit then its ur own fault and should b punished for it. what im talkn bout cops constantly harassing P plates for no reason at all. just coz u have a hotted up cars doesnt mean ur a hoon. a lot of ppl just cruise and save it for the track. i see a lot off ppl who drive a falcon or a VL wit mags and exhaust and thats it. theyve cut the prings and god knows wat dodgy mods aswell. these r the cars the cps should b goin after-(unroadworthy cars) these r the majority of dickheds thinkn theyre cars r good who make all the trouble.

im yet to see a skyline sit in the middle of the road and smoke it whereas i constantly see these shitboxes flogged cause theyre not worth anythn and dont care whether they **** it up.

This one time i was speedin not excessively and yes i did deserve to b fined which they had no evidence for. the cops used judgement to fine me and said i was doin 140km in a 60km. wat a off judgement that was when i would have been at most doin 75. He proceeded to give me a lecture bout how drunk ppl could step out onto the road and i wouldnt b able to avoid them. but can u say double standards coz he reckons he had to do 140km to catch up to me in a 60!!!!-around a bend aswell then fined me for <=15kms ova. wat a load of shit he didnt have anythn to say when i said id have more chance of avoidin sum1 then he would have. anyway no fine came and im happy wit that and although if i did get one then i wouldnt kick up a stink.

another story is that all the p plate cars were parked on the nature strip along with normal cars at my college. a cop sure enuf showed up and fined every single P plate driver (NO SHIT) and not any other car. of course this caused a problem as all the P plates were goin off at the cops for this considering they were at school for one and the government hadnt provided enuf parking, and that they were only fining the P plate drivers. if its illegal for a p plate driver then its illegal for ever1!

i can be cruuising at the speed limit and have cops chuck a U turn and follow me for no rreason right to my street.

in any accident most ppl will know its barely one factor that caused it it is at least 2.

how many high performance cars do u see on the news that have crashed. in my experience its more often than not crappy cars been pushed beyond there limits. its doesnt matter wat car u have u can speed in any car whether it crap or hotted up.

its not the car that crashes its the person behind the wheel who does. a car cant crash itself.

if ur gonna be a ******** u will crash in any car regardlesss of performance.

i would like it "if u dont speed then u got nuthn to worry bout" saying was true but unfortunately its not coz cops abuse there power.

[Marlin_Girl]

hmm yes i noticed the lack of fords... but anyway, beside the point i guess!

Im just off P plates, but i dont get my hackles up when i see that sort of shit on tv. of course they are going to be targetting p platers- because unfortunately it is p platers who they catch doing all that crap. it may only be a small percentage of them but they stand out and aca and the cops are only reacting to what they are seeing, just as we are all reacting to the story!!

I feel GOOD knowing that p platers, and younger drivers who intentionally drive like complete tools and put other people at risk are being targetted by cops and if that means other p platers and people with highly modded cars who aren't taking part in the dangerous stuff get targetted too, then that's just the way it is! deal with it, it wont change!! theres nothing that ****es me off more than d*ckheads trying to race me or driving like idiots near me and putting me in danger if they stuff up, not to mention putting me in the spotlight of the police as well so i f*kn hope they get caught! If you're on p's and getting pulled over all the time, it may be an inconvenience but at least you know the cops are doing their jobs right? and it's only for 2 years of your whole life so put up with it guys! If they find your car's not up to scratch when they're 'unfairly' searching it then that's something you should look at anyway.

And as for taking their cars off them- hell yes! one of those guys they interviewed was a complete tool "why take something off me that i've been saving for my whole life?" "Because you're breaking the law and putting other people in danger" "But it's not the car's fault- it's the person." Exactly!! : what an idiot! go back to school mate!

[montyv8]

i've never been on 'P's', as i moved here from New Zealand with a full license, and in NZ the license system is a bit different. I got my 'L's' the day i turned 15. after being on your L's for 18mnths or so, you go on to your 'restricted' license. this is similar to the 'P' plate system, with a few differences. from memory (and it was a while ago) you couldn't drive with passengers after 11pm unless you had someone in the car that was 20yrs old or older that has held their full license for two more. this certainly cuts down on the car loads of young guys thrashing around showing off in the early hours of the morning. but you can still drive around by yourself. not as harsh as a curfew....
i'm sure plenty of young people over there (NZ) would disagree, but i think its a reasonably good system they have, and maybe the government here should look at that for some ideas.

when i had my XA coupe i'd cruise it regularly around here (adelaide) and every friday or saturday nite i'd be sittin at the lights and i'd suddenly be surrounded by commodores with p plates......and they all wanted to race. i never did, i justpointed and laughed. they seemed to stop harrasing me when i fitted the bugcatcher. and even tho the bugcatcher is illegal in SA i never got picked on, as on the most part i behaved myself.

as for cops being ummm shall we say 'unfair', i went to court a while back for "excessive noise", and "leaving two four metre long solid black lines on the road and sliding a metre sideways (to the left)" in the cantre of the city (rundle st for those that know adelaide).
not bad for for a single spinner diff......
what actually happened was i was sitting at the lights waiting to turn left, lights turn green, the taxi's in front of me decide to wait there hoping to get some customers. i getsick of waiting, roll back a bit, put her in first spin one wheel a quarter of a turn and drive around the taxis. four cops run over from across the intersection and start giving me heaps of shit, "we heard you from a block away", even tho they were right there....etc etc.

so yeah, in the last 14yrs of driving i've seen a bit, and i think it's getting a lot worse.

[Dez]

Originally Posted by Marlin_Girl

If you're on p's and getting pulled over all the time, it may be an inconvenience but at least you know the cops are doing their jobs right? and it's only for 2 years of your whole life so put up with it guys! If they find your car's not up to scratch when they're 'unfairly' searching it then that's something you should look at anyway.

i agree with everything else you said, except this part....they aren't really doing their job "right" if they are harrassing people simply for having a P plate on. If the right thing to do, is to just randomly check cars for RW, then they should be pulling a shit load of people over for it. not just p platers....there are plenty of cars out there that shouldnt be on the road, but get no police attention because they are shit heaps. then you get a p plater who has a perfectly straight and maintained car, which happens to be 2cm to low, and he gets done.....fair in a way, but totally unfair in another....his 2cm to low car is a lot safer than the old shit box thats falling apart.

the last part of your comment about having your car RW anyway....thats true, but the fact is, if the cop is pulling you over for being on your P's and checking your car, if he wants to defect you, he will.

Originally Posted by montyv8

after being on your L's for 18mnths or so, you go on to your 'restricted' license. this is similar to the 'P' plate system, with a few differences. from memory (and it was a while ago) you couldn't drive with passengers after 11pm unless you had someone in the car that was 20yrs old or older that has held their full license for two more. this certainly cuts down on the car loads of young guys thrashing around showing off in the early hours of the morning. but you can still drive around by yourself. not as harsh as a curfew....

this raises another issue, and its come up on the forums before...

if there is limits placed on the amount of people in a car, this leads to there being more "hoons" in their "performance" cars on the street at night....and while there is less peer pressure from inside the car to do stupid shit, there is a lot more cars with "hoons" at the wheel to copy, race etc.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Dez

i agree with everything else you said, except this part....they aren't really doing their job "right" if they are harrassing people simply for having a P plate on. If the right thing to do, is to just randomly check cars for RW, then they should be pulling a shit load of people over for it. not just p platers....there are plenty of cars out there that shouldnt be on the road, but get no police attention because they are shit heaps. then you get a p plater who has a perfectly straight and maintained car, which happens to be 2cm to low, and he gets done.....fair in a way, but totally unfair in another....his 2cm to low car is a lot safer than the old shit box thats falling apart.

spot on the money Dez. theyre not pulling over ppl without P plates wit hotted cars. and there not pickn on the shitboxes either. i think when i cop sees a modded car instant $$$ pop into there minds seeing how much they can do this person for.

[Marlin_Girl]

Originally Posted by Dez

i agree with everything else you said, except this part....they aren't really doing their job "right" if they are harrassing people simply for having a P plate on. If the right thing to do, is to just randomly check cars for RW, then they should be pulling a shit load of people over for it. not just p platers....there are plenty of cars out there that shouldnt be on the road, but get no police attention because they are shit heaps.

Ha, this is pointless but interesting... when i said 'right' i meant it like it's own question... like 'right?' or 'you know what i mean?'. I didn't mean they were doing their jobs right, but rather that they were at least doing their jobs... sorry, should have chucked a comma in there or something! Just thought it was interesting that that part got your attention when i meant it differently!

All good points guys.

I think a major part of what i was saying which probably didn't come through very strongly is that yes, "there are plenty of cars out there that shouldnt be on the road", but as it happens p platers and young drivers will cop it because firstly, their reputation (as a result of d*ckheads who make it bad for the rest of us) and secondly because targetting young people as a method is probably more effective than you think! If you think about it, the earlier in someones life they are taught a lesson, or made aware, the better!

But anyway i've gone a bit off track again! Basically p platers will be concentrated on whether we/they like it or not, that's life, and it IS unfair when they're doing the right thing! As for there being plenty of other cars on the road which are not roadworthy- that sux, but how often do you hear of them partaking in reckless driving and such? (and with that a whole debate on the media could unfold!!) But essentially that was the subject of the story on aca in the first place!! right? :

I personally haven't experienced this injustice with police - as in fining people just because they want to, or treating drivers like crap because they're under the age of 25... i guess it could be because i'm a girl which is a really sexist thing to say, but maybe there are some assumptions which come with a young guy in a big car as opposed to a girl??? SO what i mean is this is probably why i'm leaning towards justifying the actions of the police, and with that i do regard what other people are saying too.

or maybe i am just feeling really talkative today and this is a whole bunch of crap!!!

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by Dez

the last part of your comment about having your car RW anyway....thats true, but the fact is, if the cop is pulling you over for being on your P's and checking your car, if he wants to defect you, he will.

This happened to a mate of mine. Had his car roadworthied just before getting pulled over. The cop defected his car for two things:

1) Parking light was out
2) When applying the handbrake, it clicked out 14 times instead of 12.

Thankfully the only cops I have encountered have been the type of person that all cops should aspire to be. One pulled me over for speeding (in the XE) when I was on my P's. Country road, night time, no other cars. He simply went thru the procedure of giving me a ticket & even struck up a light convo with me. 2nd cop pulled me over (again in the XE) in the middle of town one day because my rear numberplate had its white paint flaking away. No defect, I just needed to replace it in my own time (within 28 days). No dramas there.

As for ACA and TT's journalism, they might pick good topics but they really need to give balanced, honest reports. Speeding up footage should be for movies, not news reports!

-Dave-

[MITCHAY]

wish all cops were like that. i have one that was good with the exception he lacked commn sense but gave me a warning. really luck of the draw which sucks

[Dez]

Originally Posted by Marlin_Girl

Ha, this is pointless but interesting... when i said 'right' i meant it like it's own question... like 'right?' or 'you know what i mean?'. I didn't mean they were doing their jobs right, but rather that they were at least doing their jobs... sorry, should have chucked a comma in there or something! Just thought it was interesting that that part got your attention when i meant it differently!

my bad marlin...i just re-read your post and it seems i missed the way you were trying to say it....none the less, my point still stands that they arent doing their job, if they are simply singling out p platers....they may be doing what they're told to do, but its not really the right way to do their job

[Psycho Chicken]

There is a valid point on what type of car you drive, I never put P Plates up when I'm driving work cars for that point. WRXs, Lib GTs and XT Foresters, I'd constantly be on the side of the road!

Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

Industrial estates at 10pm on weeknight are probrably the safest place to drag or have burnout comps wouldnt you agree?????

Doing burnouts metres from crowds? Of course that is perfectly safe!

[MITCHAY]

basically its not safe anywhere. but if ppl go to an estate to do this stuff then its their risk and basically their fault if anythn happens to. its all illegal and little doubt no one would have sympathy if u get urself into trouble. not sayn any1 deserves to b hurt but they really have no1 to blame but themselves. its just the shit in surburban stuff that is extremely dangerous as they r public streets many innocent ppl use these roads aswell and r inconvienced by it. not to mention theyre not there to see it anyway in the first place and sumtimes they get hurt.

[FPVWEPN]

not many innocent bystanders walking by industrial estates at 10pm!!!!
you treat the gutter in the street the same way as you would the wall at calders burnout comp. i've been to calder about 20times i rekon and no1 has ever hit the wall, same thing applies here: if you know what u are doing u know where your limits are and believe me u gotta like closing ur eyes to hit some1 watching you when the roads are so wide you can fit 5-6 cars side by side!!!!!!!

[Dez]

Originally Posted by FPVWEPN

not many innocent bystanders walking by industrial estates at 10pm!!!!
you treat the gutter in the street the same way as you would the wall at calders burnout comp. i've been to calder about 20times i rekon and no1 has ever hit the wall, same thing applies here: if you know what u are doing u know where your limits are and believe me u gotta like closing ur eyes to hit some1 watching you when the roads are so wide you can fit 5-6 cars side by side!!!!!!!

at least if u hit a wall at calder, its a wall....you hit a gutter, and its not gonna stop your car from killing people.....it can happen at calder, and it can happen on the street just as easy. if not easier.