Ford Future Vehicle Presentation;Falcon?

[Rico 110s]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

The only window I saw from this data & the whole 9 platforms by 2016, is that graphy that shows total Ford sales in 2016 will be 99% from those 9 global platforms. Let’s hope the 1% remaining is the Falcon/territory!!

Also, why was there a picture of Sydney Harbour on the Lincoln page?

Maybe Ford will make a Limousine base with the Falcon, at a guess however we will still lose the Falcon but retain it under another name as Ford do not really have anything to offer in this class.

Seems a shame to spend so much money on a model just to kill off in 2 years if they think their only going to sell 1200 or less a month.
Business sense says that you would only keep make existing model (FG) all the way through to 2016.

[Kayos]

I only hope we still have a RWD (Falcon/Fusion not Taurus), & a V8sc,I6t and get the mustang it's still happy days.

[4.0i_SiX]

sorry to say but no falcon, no ford for me. Have to wait and see what happens. No point speculating

[fordOwner]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Falcon and Territory not one single mention, like we don't exist........ Ford Oz is doomed unless they can get a slice of the 9 core cars pie.

Well said. Its such a shame. We have world class vehicle and motor engineers and designers and we dont even get the chance to build our own car to give to the world.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

.... Ford Oz is manufacturing the best quality cars it ever has in it's history. Something to be proud of.

Something that wears a more Premium Badge perhaps?

Originally Posted by Joe5619

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Also, why was there a picture of Sydney Harbour on the Lincoln page?

Because future Lincolns will have common DNA with our current Aussie Falcon if my reading of the tea leaves is correct

Originally Posted by fordOwner

.... Its such a shame. We have world class vehicle and motor engineers and designers and we dont even get the chance to build our own car to give to the world.

They did just design the latest Ranger, for The World.

It's just not profitable to manufacture cars in this country any more.

[R-Design]

Found slide 38 interesting "Sustainability Strategy". Looks like the vehicle goals for 2012 are:

- Full implementation of Known Technology
- Auto Stop-Start
- Substantial Weight Reduction

Seeing as Falcon received most of the near term initiatives (Eco Boost, EPAS, 6 Speed Transmissions), the 2014 update looks like it could have enough in it to match what Holden have done with the VF.

[BDA074]

Lots of focus on Hybrids. Wander if any will come our way?
Hybrid Fusion would tackle the Camry.

[Luke Plaizier]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Also, why was there a picture of Sydney Harbour on the Lincoln page?

Nice pick up. That's a bit of a bingo moment right there......

Lukeyson

[GTP534]

With the focus on "Global" and the picture of the Sydney Harbour Bridge it could be that something based on Lincoln could be in the pipeline for Ford Australia.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Because future Lincolns will have common DNA with our current Aussie Falcon if my reading of the tea leaves is correct

Unfortunately no, that photo was purely Ford's desire to portray Lincoln as a global player.

Being regional platforms, Ford has probably done the cost analysis of changing to RHD engineered global products,
I'd say those costs are greater than any perceived benefits from changing away from the current local vehicles.

It's probably cheaper to take Govt money and keep evolving local designs as opposed to close down and engineer global RHDs....

[greenfoam]

My wife said something interesting the other day. she's not Australian so often has a different take on things. She told me that she doesn't see modern Falcons as Fords or Ford Australia as Ford the company she knows. She also said German Fords and American Fords are not the same company either.. In her eyes and opinion.

I grew up thinking the same, it was obvious to me the Capri escort and cortina had nothing to do with American based cars like the falcon fairlane and mustang. The lines have definitely got more blurred recently which has been great as far as better selection of cars goes.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

My wife said something interesting the other day. she's not Australian so often has a different take on things. She told me that she doesn't see modern Falcons as Fords or Ford Australia as Ford the company she knows. She also said German Fords and American Fords are not the same company either.. In her eyes and opinion.

I grew up thinking the same, it was obvious to me the Capri escort and cortina had nothing to do with American based cars like the falcon fairlane and mustang. The lines have definitely got more blurred recently which has been great as far as better selection of cars goes.

If you go to America now, you'd be shocked at the change,
Fiesta
Focus
Fusion (Mondeo)
Escape (Kuga)
Transit Connect
Transit - this year

Early next year Edge goes onto S-Max platform

Taurus, Explorer are on D3 for now but Taurus will go over to CD4 in 2015,
Ford hasn't mentioned Explorer for now, but it too will follow on CD4.

F150 and Super Duty are almost like a different company,
Those vehicles bring in a huge chunk of profits for Ford NA.

[sbutler]

Isnt Ford ozz turning a profit? Why would they shut the gate on something that is making them money? I know we are only a blip on the globle Ford map, but you dont shut down because its making money. The Head office should be using Ford ozz to help get the place up & running , not shutting it down?
Falcon & Mustang have always been stable mates, head office should use us to their advantage & walk hand in hand with us to grow the brand. Mustang has always been a great seller & a well known name, as with Falcon...

[BroadyFord]

Originally Posted by sbutler

Isnt Ford ozz turning a profit? Why would they shut the gate on something that is making them money? I know we are only a blip on the globle Ford map, but you dont shut down because its making money. The Head office should be using Ford ozz to help get the place up & running , not shutting it down?
Falcon & Mustang have always been stable mates, head office should use us to their advantage & walk hand in hand with us to grow the brand. Mustang has always been a great seller & a well known name, as with Falcon...

They're NOT making a profit - far from it. A $290 million loss is more than enough to have many flags and questions raised.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BroadyFord

They're NOT making a profit - far from it. A $290 million loss is more than enough to have many flags and questions raised.

Unless you consider Europe's billion dollar loses and 6000 job loses. Loses can be anything from real financial bleeding to "creative accounting". I don't think FoMoCo Aust is in the same boat.

[eb2fairmont]

They're not that bad off. A series of write downs and packages for the job losses, is aminly responsible for it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Unless you consider Europe's billion dollar loses and 6000 job loses. Loses can be anything from real financial bleeding to "creative accounting". I don't think FoMoCo Aust is in the same boat.

FoE has been carrying a lot of excess production capacity for several years and the changes we are
seeing with Falcon locally are being mirrored in Europe by massive drop in Mondeo/S-max/Galaxy sales.

So annoying because antipodean FoA cannot get Foe products for Australia but thankfully Fiesta and Focus
are now built on our doorstep. I have a hunch that through Pacific Rim free trade agreements, our next
mid sized car could come from somewhere else, thinking North America but praying for Broadmeadows.

[BroadyFord]

Originally Posted by jpd80

FoE has been carrying a lot of excess production capacity for several years and the changes we are
seeing with Falcon locally are being mirrored in Europe by massive drop in Mondeo/S-max/Galaxy sales.

So annoying because antipodean FoA cannot get Foe products for Australia but thankfully Fiesta and Focus
are now built on our doorstep. I have a hunch that through Pacific Rim free trade agreements, our next
mid sized car could come from somewhere else, thinking North America but praying for Broadmeadows.

Correct - I am also hoping we get a chance to build Fusion and perhaps Kuga.

To be frank, I don't care if Falcon/Territory dies so long as we continue to build something, ANYTHING here in Australia.

Continuation of manufacturing is far more important than whether or not Falcon lives or dies IMO.

[Rico 110s]

Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Correct - I am also hoping we get a chance to build Fusion and perhaps Kuga.

To be frank, I don't care if Falcon/Territory dies so long as we continue to build something, ANYTHING here in Australia.

Continuation of manufacturing is far more important than whether or not Falcon lives or dies IMO.

Does not make any sense to build here something that is made cheaper somewhere else, Lincoln fit the bill it will just be how they work it out after all they never showed any Lincoln in the Global line-up just like they don't show Falcon.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Correct - I am also hoping we get a chance to build Fusion and perhaps Kuga.

To be frank, I don't care if Falcon/Territory dies so long as we continue to build something, ANYTHING here in Australia.

Continuation of manufacturing is far more important than whether or not Falcon lives or dies IMO.

Kuga is spoken for within FAPA. Fusion is a chance with the upheaval with European Mondeo production, and Flat Rock and Hermasillo going to be at capacity in the coming year.

Broady could be the RHD production hub for the next gen Mustang if it and the Falcon share more than just styling cues. I think local production of the Edge next to a revamped Territory would work too seeing as no other plant in the Asia Pacific region makes it.

[Brazen]

Ford Australia will forever pay the price for the Burela era, Focus and its derivatives cancelled (Kuga and locally developed Focus ute), global V6 cancelled which would of opened up Falcon exports, Ecoboost chosen over Falcon diesel (dealers were crying for diesel), the cancelation of BFiii wagon which killed up to 600 Falcon sales a month overnight, killing XR8 and therefore throwing away a halo model for Falcon sedan and ute range (Falcon's image slid further downward and ute sales are now dismal with little high profit performance sales).

[sbutler]

Im sure I read somewere that Ford ozz was the only site that was making money. Mind you not mega bucks, but not loosing ???

[Bossxr8]

Nope, FoA is bleeding money, so is FoE. Its the Yanks that are absolutely raking in the dough.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Ford Australia will forever pay the price for the Burela era, Focus and its derivatives cancelled (Kuga and locally developed Focus ute), global V6 cancelled which would of opened up Falcon exports, Ecoboost chosen over Falcon diesel (dealers were crying for diesel), the cancelation of BFiii wagon which killed up to 600 Falcon sales a month overnight, killing XR8 and therefore throwing away a halo model for Falcon sedan and ute range (Falcon's image slid further downward and ute sales are now dismal with little high profit performance sales).

some of us are thankful that someone like you wasn't running the show. how is building a small car here a good idea? hows it working out for holden? why don't toyota build corolla here?

falcon wagon wasn't selling at 600 either, xr8 was already stagnant and ford sales trends are the same as every other player in the large segment...

so you can take your anti ford drivel and head on over to www.i'maholdenfanboi.com

[crunchbunty]

lincoln MKS and MKZ as falcon/fairlane?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by sbutler

Isnt Ford ozz turning a profit? Why would they shut the gate on something that is making them money? I know we are only a blip on the globle Ford map, but you dont shut down because its making money. The Head office should be using Ford ozz to help get the place up & running , not shutting it down?
Falcon & Mustang have always been stable mates, head office should use us to their advantage & walk hand in hand with us to grow the brand. Mustang has always been a great seller & a well known name, as with Falcon...

Judging by price comparisons with the USA, you could sell a GT V8 Mustang here for about $45K to $48K,
maybe that's an answer to the XR8 dilemma, adding a different car to the GS and GT Falcons...

Just a thought...

[Bossxr8]

It would still be a massive rip off at that price. It would be reasonable if everybody was unaware how much they actually cost in the US, but when you consider the Toyota 86 is more expensive than a Mustang GT in the US yet sells for low 30k here going that far over that is just pure profiteering. And i'll bet thats exactly what Ford will do when it goes on sale here.

But then again on the other hand I can't see how Ford could position a Mustang for low 30's, when you consider how much high end Focus's and Mondeo's cost. But it would be an awesome way to generate sales. Hopefully Ford don't get too stupid and price it out of the market so that no one buys them.

[Brazen]

And add the F series while you are at it :-)

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It would still be a massive rip off at that price.

Local assembly from imported parts?
Why not, you could run them down the Falcon line no worries, maybe even with the 335 GT engine in it...

[Falco GT51]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Local assembly from imported parts?
Why not, you could run them down the Falcon line no worries, maybe even with the 335 GT engine in it...

Now I would be there in a flash to purchase Australian Mustang with the 335GT engine in it!