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02-10-2021, 11:07 AM | #31 | |||
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Ive said many times I would never buy a VW, Audi or Mercedes and no one minds. Say you won’t buy a Chinese car and there’s always someone that says “where were your light bulbs at home made? oh got ya there” |
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02-10-2021, 11:23 AM | #32 | ||
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Thanks for your comments guys, especially you Fordman1, we bought what we did due to your valued input..lol
We've signed a subject to contract on a 2016 PX2 Hi-rider with 90k's in white with canopy, clearview mirrors plus originals, bonnet protector, slimline window shields, tint, mats, reinforced racks on the canopy to take a rooftop tent, towbar and dual battery system, everything we need for our camping/tow rig. |
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02-10-2021, 11:31 AM | #33 | |||
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There is a hero version in the pipeline to tackle the Wildtraks of the world which in China is known as an Everest. |
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02-10-2021, 11:58 AM | #34 | |||
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Seen the GWM "Tank" line?? Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
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02-10-2021, 02:47 PM | #35 | ||
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Yeah, Cannon is the model name, just like the Dmax, then you have a trim level , LS etc. In Dmax, The base Cannon doesnt have a trim code, its just a Cannon like a BF3 wagon didnt have XT badges, the L and X are for differentiating above standard.
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02-10-2021, 03:47 PM | #36 | ||
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A few pics of what should be the new chariot..
Dealer is supplying a new dash mat at delivery. Drivers seat which cops the most use obviously is as new. Backseat looks unused. Canopy has crossbars which are reinforced from the tub by the internal supports, i like that as i plan on putting a rooftop tent on it. Tub liner looks as new, not a scratch on it anywhere, original mirrors in the clearview box. All it really needs is the old Prodigy brake controller swapped out for a Redarc Tow Pro Elite which i'll have done through connections in the caravan industry and the Wife wants some aftermarket wheels. They have another Ranger in stock, a 2017 PX2 4x4 XLS dualcab which has a Rhino Rack platform and backbones on the cab roof, im going to put the hard word on the salesman to have it changed over to ours before we'll complete the deal, cant hurt to ask. |
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02-10-2021, 04:35 PM | #37 | ||
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Yes he did from what I read.
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02-10-2021, 08:36 PM | #38 | ||
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bought a new LDV Pro a few months ago...29k drive away with towbar.....25k less than a ranger etc....i am retired so i dont need all the bull**** a tradie may need....got a sdrive throttle controller put on it and is a completly different drive now....would buy another in a hearbeat when the time comes...
4x4...blind spot monitoring...tyre pressure monitoring....6 speed auto...rear camera and sensors...much more....great bang for buck... |
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03-10-2021, 08:02 AM | #39 | |||
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03-10-2021, 11:55 AM | #40 | ||
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Has GWM improved their crash worthiness, wasn’t the previous Ute like 0 out of 5 stars?
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03-10-2021, 12:01 PM | #41 | |||
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I still wouldn't own a dual cab, I do own a Thailand Special though Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 03-10-2021 at 12:11 PM. |
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03-10-2021, 12:09 PM | #42 | |||
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I can understand the concern by certain people, like the MG's that are climbing the ladder at a rate of knots so too will the GWM ute once people realise you dont need to spend 60k to get all the fruit. When i posted this thread i expected the responses i got, a few curious, a few with feedback from friends, a few that wont touch a Chinese product, a few that doubt its ability and the usual suspects with nothing but negativity due to their association with another brand who also bagged the MG, you can taste their fear, lol. It didnt disappoint. |
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03-10-2021, 01:53 PM | #43 | ||
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I think if 5 star crash ratings are achieved (no reason why they cannot) and power levels offered matching Ranger and Hilux then the tide will turn more quickly. Actually I'm surprised they haven't already tried to hit the 150+kw diesel power level to really get stuck into the market leading brands. Maybe the fact the Chinese home market favours petrol has slowed this from occurring.
And lets be very frank...as good as Ranger and Hilux are the products are overpriced. The fact most Japanese brands and Ford charge more is because the market has paid the money. When the Chinese brands offer more for less and if their image of being "inferior" is disproven it will be interesting to see what the market will do. I wonder if a Chinese built Ford is of lessor quality than a North American built Ford or a EU built Ford? Of course if they all used the same component spec/trim quality level and assembly QC was identical it should make no difference what the "Made in XXXXX" stamp says. Some of us are old enough to remember where Japanese products, not just cars, sat image wise in their early days. |
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03-10-2021, 04:08 PM | #44 | |||
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Sure they'll still have componants made in China but so do many mainstream products. The Chinese will get it right, just like the US defence strategy, they'll throw weight of numbers at it until they succeed and will value market share through lower price point over profit margin to achieve it and the encumbents are worried no matter how brave a face they show outwardly. The concern for local Ford fans should be how well the next 'Americanised' styled Ranger is received, it could easily be another AU Falcon episode where it is as robust as could be but considered unappealing to look at. I may be biased with recent developments but i consider the PX2 look to be the sweet spot for Ranger styling which the new one will move well away from. |
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03-10-2021, 06:33 PM | #45 | ||
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I can't help wondering if a Korean ute, i.e. Musso might be a better middle ground. Not sure if a little dearer than the Chinese utes but Korea seem to have been building these for years and so although not as flash as a Hilux or Ranger they seem to be fairly reliable, even if resale not as good?
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03-10-2021, 06:49 PM | #46 | ||
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I might be very wrong here but my view is that the Ute brands with most to fear from GWM are
those that play in the same price zone of GWM, brands that can’t make ground on Hilux or Ranger. An alternate, low cost Ute that checks all the boxes could draw in those who would normally go buy Navarra and Tritons but we’ll see…. The one I’m interested in is BYD’s electric Ute that’s arriving in 2022 (probably late in the year), a BEV Ute is a true point of difference in a sea of diesel powered vehicles and will be a curiosity for sure but will that give it any sales purchase with fleets wanting to look cleaner and greener? Last edited by jpd80; 03-10-2021 at 06:59 PM. |
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03-10-2021, 07:27 PM | #47 | |||
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https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...l-engine-84158 Sounds like it might go ok combined with the 9sp auto which will replace ZF equipped GWM products https://inf.news/en/auto/b9ac6c0e671...560929c40.html Last edited by BENT_8; 03-10-2021 at 07:51 PM. |
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04-10-2021, 03:36 AM | #48 | ||
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These won't threaten the majority of private sales of Hilux and Ranger, no matter how good they are. How many Ranger owners buy them because they look good and have a macho style? How many add accessories/modifications to make them look "tougher"? Those people will never buy a GWM regardless of price/features, and there is a lot of them. Nothing wrong with that, but buying a cheap 4x4 isn't for the vain, you don't buy a GWM to impress your mates.
I personally think they look OK, as do the new SsangYongs. Fleet sales may be different if all figures add up, including resale. |
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04-10-2021, 06:48 AM | #49 | |||
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Interesting they've managed to get VGT turbos working reliably on unleaded engine, no one aside from Porsche had bothered because they have issues with the high EGT generated by unleaded engines in comparison to Diesel. |
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04-10-2021, 09:16 AM | #50 | |||
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The engine and 9 speed have been developed together so again it would be fair to assume whatever gets the 9 speed will get the engine, especially if they want to take on Ranger and it arrives with an EB. Would the liquid intercooler be the key to the VGT turbos as it keeps temps down? |
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04-10-2021, 09:29 AM | #51 | |||
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I dont think someone buying an XL or XLS is doing so to impress either so a ute that comes in under their price point with features to match an XLT or Wildtrak will be tempting for some. |
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04-10-2021, 09:42 AM | #52 | |||
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Talking about dealer sales. Anyone know what is going on with Sunshine Ford Southport the only Ford dealer on the Gold Coast. Internet site shows Zero stock of fords available. This dealer closes thats a population of 600000 on the Gold Coast that dont have a Ford dealer. |
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04-10-2021, 09:52 AM | #53 | |||
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We tried the car sales instant sell feature with my Wife's ASX to get an idea of what its worth, came back with an offer from Jarvis Ford for what she paid for it over 12 months ago and we're being hassled multiple times a day via email to book a time with them to sell it. Showed the figure to the dealer we're buying the Ranger from and he bettered it on the spot. Having said that, any Ford dealer in SA i've been past during my search in recent weeks has had new stock, strange theres none on the GC. |
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04-10-2021, 10:51 AM | #54 | ||||
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Most manufacturers found that VGT to be more useful in single turbo applications where the turbo is linked to Inline engines and required to behave like two smaller turbos but in a less complicated package. |
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04-10-2021, 10:58 AM | #55 | |||
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It’s a bad lapse, I just checked and they haven’t bothered advertising anything, want you to call the dealer and discuss. IMO, relying on orders and walk-ins. Torque Ford at Burleigh is showing 21 Last edited by jpd80; 04-10-2021 at 11:10 AM. |
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04-10-2021, 11:49 AM | #57 | |||
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I assume the 130kw you refer to is the upcoming 2.0l single turbo in the next gen Ranger. Last edited by BENT_8; 04-10-2021 at 11:55 AM. |
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04-10-2021, 12:36 PM | #58 | |||
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GWM/LDV/etc will sell to those who, quite simply, probably want a Wildtrack Ranger/SR5 Hilux but don't have the $$$ to do it... Its why I see heaps of them, especially GWM Cannon's, around. Its probably safe to say that GWM arent trying to compete directly with Ford/Toyota and vice versa...
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04-10-2021, 12:56 PM | #59 | |||
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Its those that arent cashed up they're after, thats anything below them ie. XL, SR, Workmate, GLX, GLX+, GLXR etc. etc. Thats a fair chunk of the rest. Thing is, when as a brand you rely on 4500 sales of Ranger as a whole to remain in the top 5 on the charts, losing a % to new players will be felt. And before anyone suggests most sales are the high spec, having spent quite a bit of time lately scouring through ute ads, lower spec examples have fair representation and had to fit into those new sales figures at some point in the past and therefore should be part of them moving forward, unless they go elsewhere. |
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04-10-2021, 01:40 PM | #60 | ||
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I'm not suggesting for a moment that GWM or LDV are going to take over the market and sell more than Ranger/Hilux.
I do think that they will take some sales from Ranger/Hilux, however, I think that they will also take some sales from Mitsubishi, Isuzu etc as well. I can see GWM and/or LDV sitting in the bottom half of the top 10 of VFACTS one day in the not to distant future. In terms of ute sales, maybe sitting 4th or 5th closely behind the others in front in terms of numbers. My opinion is just that though, an opinion. I could very well end up being wrong. |
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