VFACTS July 2018 - Page 2

dunga · 05-08-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

There seems to be a correlation between house prices and new car sales.

you could say that my first house cost 10k less than my ranger .

Sprintey · 05-08-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Hasn't Holden stuffed up big time.

They should have carried the Aussie Commodore to 2022 like they had originally planned.
It would now have had updated styling & dashboard, 10 Speed Auto and all the safety tech that they have at their disposal and still be selling a few thousand a month.

Instead they decided to replace their top selling vehicle and put their hopes on a vehicle in the mid sized class that was always going to be lucky to get 500 a month when looking at other cars such as Mazda6 ect.

I can remember the interview with the German GM exec before ZB was released, talking about "educating the customer to fwd".

Look at the sales and company position now. Cherry on top, Peugeot will be owning the platform as GM sold Opel, and the Lion badge for that car will be the French one.

Sprintey · 05-08-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

There seems to be a correlation between house prices and new car sales.

Full consumer credit economy, let's put the car on the mortgage. And when the house starts going down in value?

Quick question to all, what do you think will happen to dual cab sales when the housing market turns? The sales are in part driven by tax incentives to trades.

whales · 08-08-2018, 06:39 AM

Commodore sales will bounce back.
They are advertising and sponsoring everything everywhere.
Unfortunately Ford have a different theory and when the Ranger type vehicles slow in sales Ford will be in real trouble

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by whales

Commodore sales will bounce back.
They are advertising and sponsoring everything everywhere.
Unfortunately Ford have a different theory and when the Ranger type vehicles slow in sales Ford will be in real trouble

Commodore sales will NEVER be what they were, so what will they bounce back to ?

700, 800 per month ?

au2000 · 08-08-2018, 07:27 AM

IMO I think over the next 18 mths to 2 years will see the twin cab ute market begin to drop once the FBT rules kick in on them removing the previous FBT exemption on them.
My work stopped buying sedans and moved to twin cab utes only because of this,

whales · 08-08-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Commodore sales will NEVER be what they were, so what will they bounce back to ?

700, 800 per month ?

Yeah about 1000 to 1500 per month i reckon but it will depend on rentals and police fleets etc.

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

Yeah about 1000 to 1500 per month i reckon but it will depend on rentals and police fleets etc.

I disagree, but let’s see.

1000 maybe when they run huge incentives like they did late last year on Astra and Colorado.

Remember this is not really a Commodore as we all know it.

Commodore buyers from yesteryear know what it is, and will for the most part “move on”.

Sprintey · 08-08-2018, 12:47 PM

Is this the time to state that the AWD V6 Calais wagon version of the new Commodore could be quite a handy piece of kit?

Bent8 · 08-08-2018, 12:48 PM

If anyone here is looking to buy a 6-speed manual 2018 Mustang, hold off until Ford sorts out the shift fork issue in their Getrag transmissions.

TSB is already out in the US

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Is this the time to state that the AWD V6 Calais wagon version of the new Commodore could be quite a handy piece of kit?

How does the price compare to a VFII SSV ??

Sprintey · 08-08-2018, 12:55 PM

Good point, & I think GM would have a winner if they did a 4cyl AWD wagon version at about base Outback pricing. Was just picturing it's use going up the GT Alpine Road and not having to have a CVT...

arronm · 08-08-2018, 12:56 PM

For a general purpose family car maybe the new commodore is OK. The AWD version with all the driver aids would be a nice safe car.

Bossxr8 · 08-08-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

Yeah about 1000 to 1500 per month i reckon but it will depend on rentals and police fleets etc.

Not in a million years.

Government fleets don't have to buy australian anymore and have moved on.

**PepeLePew** · 08-08-2018, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

IMO I think over the next 18 mths to 2 years will see the twin cab ute market begin to drop once the FBT rules kick in on them removing the previous FBT exemption on them.
My work stopped buying sedans and moved to twin cab utes only because of this,

Always wonder how anyone can question WHY these things are so popular....is it really because everyone loves dual cabs? As if....... It'd be interesting to see some real figures how how many of these are actually purchased under an exemption. And count how many of them rock up at primary schools and soccer games in the mornings with mum behind the wheel and a gleaming untouched tray

EgoFG · 08-08-2018, 04:18 PM

Reckoning that there will only be leftover options before long - especially if there is more profit in sales to the UK.
Remember this car is "Dead Man Walking" in GM world - and also from the Pug world.
It will soon be replaced by something else from GM, or Holden will become a PSA company.

dunga · 08-08-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Is this the time to state that the AWD V6 Calais wagon version of the new Commodore could be quite a handy piece of kit?

Only if kia ,Hyundai and Subaru stop selling cars

BENT_8 · 08-08-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Commodore sales will NEVER be what they were, so what will they bounce back to ?

700, 800 per month ?

GM dont need to support 2000 factory workers so 800 units per month is a win regardless of what the outgoing model sold.
Here in Adelaide im seeing more and more every day and quite a few of them wagons, but they're probably just dealer demo's for the narrative im sure.

dunga · 08-08-2018, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

GM dont need to support 2000 factory workers so 800 units per month is a win regardless of what the outgoing model sold.
Here in Adelaide im seeing more and more every day and quite a few of them wagons, but they're probably just dealer demo's for the narrative im sure.

So who makes them and who pays them now.

BENT_8 · 08-08-2018, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dunga

So who makes them and who pays them now.

Lol, the same people who have been making them for other markets for years unlike the locally made Commodore which was essentially built for our market with a handful of export units that never really gained traction elsewhere.

Sprint XR8 · 08-08-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

Reckoning that there will only be leftover options before long - especially if there is more profit in sales to the UK.
Remember this car is "Dead Man Walking" in GM world - and also from the Pug world.
It will soon be replaced by something else from GM, or Holden will become a PSA company.

Holden will become a subsidiary of GM Korea.

As part of GM Korea's bailout in May, Korea was given responsibility for future Holden product, sales and development.

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General Motors has agreed to set up its Asia-Pacific headquarters in South Korea, in a further commitment by the U.S. automaker to its loss-making local unit, the government said on Thursday.

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The new regional headquarters will oversee production, sales and technology development for Asia Pacific countries, which excludes China, but includes Australia, India and Thailand among others, a ministry official told Reuters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/10/gm-t...ment-says.html

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

GM dont need to support 2000 factory workers so 800 units per month is a win regardless of what the outgoing model sold.
Here in Adelaide im seeing more and more every day and quite a few of them wagons, but they're probably just dealer demo's for the narrative im sure.

You’re assuming the profit margin is higher on the imported model I guess.

I’ve seen about 6 here in Victoria in the last few days.

All white, and all had rental car company stickers on the back window.

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dunga

...... who pays them now.

Centrelink

BENT_8 · 08-08-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

You’re assuming the profit margin is higher on the imported model I guess.

Are you assuming its not?

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Are you assuming its not?

You sell the car at what the market will pay, your costs to enter a market are fixed for the most part though.

The margin on built up vehicles is historically lower as some of that margin is taken by the manufacturer and also transfer price. Holden are not getting any of that from Peugeot, they pay wholesale.

Currency fluctuation can also take its toll. So I’m tipping a German made car, made by a non GMH subsidiary that is shipped across the world and sold in much lower volume than the outgoing product is less profitable.

The number of Holden dealers closing, and the lay offs in GMH sales and marketing is probably an indicator.

BENT_8 · 08-08-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

So I'm tipping.

Is that the same as assuming?

**Fordman1** · 08-08-2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Is that the same as assuming?

Someone who doesn’t know assumes.

“I’m Tipping” in my case is a way (a tongue in cheek way) of knowing

BENT_8 · 08-08-2018, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Someone who doesn’t know assumes.

“I’m Tipping” in my case is a way (a tongue in cheek way) of knowing

Riiight, the old, trust me, i KNOW, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Why didnt you just say...well, nothing substantiated in the first place.

vztrt · 08-08-2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Lol, the same people who have been making them for other markets for years unlike the locally made Commodore which was essentially built for our market with a handful of export units that never really gained traction elsewhere.

Did well in the middle east....kinda like territory in South Africa before ford strangled that.

jpd80 · 08-08-2018, 10:31 PM

One thing is for sure, imported vehicles like ZB Commodore
have a lot of the profit kept for the production region,
That way, there’s very little profit here for the govt to tax.

For years, ford bought Mondeo off Europe at damned near
Pommy retail price, added shipping and import charges and
Voila, almost Falcon like prices, I have no reason to not
believe that Holden does any different with Commodore