Club plates in Vic

[Franco Cozzo]

The only thing I would be worried about on club rego is if they do a crackdown and they start looking under bonnets.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

The only thing I would be worried about on club rego is if they do a crackdown and they start looking under bonnets.

Dated hard copy photos are now required of each car when applying for club plates, including VIN or Chassis No., Engine number, front, rear, drivers side and driver position with door open, all with electronic dating, and held by the club. The club also needs to maintain a register of all cars, and make a declaration with each application that the vehicle complies with the club plate requirements.

[Bearman]

^^ Correct ^^

Also I believe the photos need to be taken for existing CPS cars at renewal time as well.

[GTP-RPD]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Sounds like a better scheme than in Vic. Whats the cost per year?

Its a little over $100 per year in SA from memory. I forgot to mention the Street rodders have historic as well. A bit more strict in the sense. You must be a member of a recognized rod club and I think your chassis/rod must be pre 1949. The vehicle has to be inspected by a certified person form the club who can verify the vehicle chassis etc. as being pre 1949. Engineered and approved modifications are permitted.

You also need to provide a stat dec to your club every year detailing any modifications made.

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Excellent, so for example you could have an engine conversion without needing emisisons/engineers cert done like you would in a normal rego car?

Say 1960s car with LS3 or something.

No, you need full Enineering, SAME as for regular Rego.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Just to put the 25 years in perspective, that is a EAII and a VN Commodore, certainly not classics in my opinion

see I don't have a problem with people classing these as classics, lets face it Wilkinshaw VL's VN Group A's etc can be considered modern day classics

And like wise shortly EB's and XR8's will come in to that age

The ones I think are wrong are the VN hack with 1 missing hubcap chaser rims on the back bubbled window tint etc that are really just using it to avoid paying full freight rego

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smciner1

No, you need full Enineering, SAME as for regular Rego.

Meh just pay your $650/year and have your car on full rego and drive it when ever you want IMO.

No BS with photos of everything, log books etc.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Bearman

Also I believe the photos need to be taken for existing CPS cars at renewal time as well.

not true, I renewed mine last week

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Meh just pay your $650/year and have your car on full rego and drive it when ever you want IMO.

No BS with photos of everything, log books etc.

Might be $650 where you live Damo, but its about $100 more than that for people living in the city.

There is no limit where and when you can drive on club plates, as long as the log book is filled in before you go on the drive, simple task that takes 10 seconds to complete.

Enthusiasts like to take photos of their pride and joy, so there should be no imposition to supply these to the club.

Originally Posted by Bearman

Also I believe the photos need to be taken for existing CPS cars at renewal time as well.

The new renewal requirements in my club do not specify this. The Vicroads website specifies "Clubs are required to maintain dated photographs of vehicles entering the club permit scheme in accordance with the new Club Permit Agreement." which implies no photographs are required upon renewal of vehicles already on club plates.

Regarding mofified vehicles already under the Historic category, there is a statement in the Vicroads website that states

While VicRoads will not actively identify existing modified vehicles for re-certification, periodically vehicles are reported to VicRoads as unroadworthy and/or inappropriately modified and VicRoads is required take action when this occurs. In such instances, VicRoads will write to the permit holder advising them to request that their club re-assess the vehicle in accordance with the new requirements.

The application form also states that Statutory Write-off vehicles are not eligible for club plates.

[Franco Cozzo]

Still at $750/year its not that expensive unless you have 10 cars, and there is no dealing with clubs, meetings, events, nazi schemes so you can't have modifications or you have to have a different plate etc.

Then potential police harassment because they're cracking down on abuse of the system and you've identified yourself for the world to see with your maroon plate to be caught up in the crackdown even if you aren't really doing much wrong (or are on the edge with some mods).

That $750 buys you a bit of piece of mind I reckon.

Insurance and registration was costing me $7800/year across 3 insured and 4 fully registered cars in 2013 lol.

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Bearman

Also I believe the photos need to be taken for existing CPS cars at renewal time as well.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

not true, I renewed mine last week

Happy to stand corrected.

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Still at $750/year its not that expensive unless you have 10 cars, and there is no dealing with clubs, meetings, events, nazi schemes so you can't have modifications or you have to have a different plate etc.

Then potential police harassment because they're cracking down on abuse of the system and you've identified yourself for the world to see with your maroon plate to be caught up in the crackdown even if you aren't really doing much wrong (or are on the edge with some mods).

That $750 buys you a bit of piece of mind I reckon.

Insurance and registration was costing me $7800/year across 3 insured and 4 fully registered cars in 2013 lol.

That has been my mindset to a large degree. I don't know why but I have been suspicious of the CPS right from the word go. No logical reason really, I guess it just hit my "it's too good to be true" alarm. Paranoid? Maybe, I just have a real mental block with it.

Will sit back and await further developments.

[Trevor 57]

this may shock some, but I joined the car club I am in for the social stuff, the club rego is an added bonus, I think I might be one of the rare ones

I am actually in 3 different car clubs, all 3 are registered with Vicroads for CPS, my club rego is with the one I frequent the most for the social outings

[Streets]

wish it cost $750 to register a V8 here

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Excellent, so for example you could have an engine conversion without needing emisisons/engineers cert done like you would in a normal rego car?

Say 1960s car with LS3 or something.

What you can do is if you have an XB falcon for example with a 250. As that car also came with a 302 or 351 you can upgrade to either of those two engine sizes without an engineers certificate and still have it registered with H plates. If I wanted to put a big block in it or the upgraded engine has more than 20% power than the standard engine then it has to be certified and it will have an M plate

[Franco Cozzo]

How far can you go with the mods though? Are all the basics still covered on H?

Whats if you had extractor + full exhaust, or it was converted to EFI etc? Those small things, easy to see its changed but small enough that on full rego it wouldn't make a difference.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

this may shock some, but I joined the car club I am in for the social stuff, the club rego is an added bonus, I think I might be one of the rare ones

I am actually in 3 different car clubs, all 3 are registered with Vicroads for CPS, my club rego is with the one I frequent the most for the social outings

You aren't on your own .. I joined a motorbike club for the social interaction. The club rego is a bonus; I have a number of bikes on club rego.

Both my Javelins are on full rego. The '69 is on its original plates (1970) and I can't drag myself to unregister it. The LHD '74 .. Well .. Although I'm a member of a three car clubs but I can't say I'm an active member of any and am not comfortable being on club rego with a club I'm not fully committed to.

I'm also not comfortable asking my motorbike club to permit my cars .. Like I've seen with a few clubs.

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

How far can you go with the mods though? Are all the basics still covered on H?

Whats if you had extractor + full exhaust, or it was converted to EFI etc? Those small things, easy to see its changed but small enough that on full rego it wouldn't make a difference.

I don't know about the EFI conversion but the regs Ive read so far only quotes more than a 20% power increase. Tyres are also under the microscope which isn't great for coupe owners

The base document refers to other documents and standards. I wanted to get clarification on tyre widths. ER70 14 was the " standard "tyre size for most 70's cars as this size doesn't exist any more I wanted to know what the with of this tyre was so as to calculate the maximum tyre width permissible under the new regs. They referred me to another document but this didn't help which leads me to believe event Vic roads can't get their heads around some of it

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

You aren't on your own .. I joined a motorbike club for the social interaction. The club rego is a bonus; I have a number of bikes on club rego.

Both my Javelins are on full rego. The '69 is on its original plates (1970) and I can't drag myself to unregister it. The LHD '74 .. Well .. Although I'm a member of a three car clubs but I can't say I'm an active member of any and am not comfortable being on club rego with a club I'm not fully committed to.

I'm also not comfortable asking my motorbike club to permit my cars .. Like I've seen with a few clubs.

The big problem with going onto club plates is when it still has the original plates. IMO in that situation its best to keep it on full registration, rather than lose the originality and identity of the car forever. Vicroads etc. are very stringent on requiring the old plates to be handed back to be destroyed. The original plates are non reflective, quite different to the reflective personalised plates which may be the same colours and reg number, but the difference is obvious. There should be provision to keep original plates the same way you can keep personalised plates, particularly as they really belong to the car. My car only had personalised plates when purchased 20 years ago, so I've kept them while on club plates.

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Just to put the 25 years in perspective, that is a EAII and a VN Commodore, certainly not classics in my opinion

Well I beg to differ a VN SS and Group A are 25 years old and meet the criteria, also are increasing in value and are not oil leakers like a lot of the older cars especially English makes. If the car is over 25 years old it’s not breaking any rules if driver fills in their log books.
What I find unfair in the new rules is if a car has been forced to be converted to RHD and previously registered in Australia it now has to have an engineer’s report as well as a roadworthy.

[4VCLEVO]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

the base document refers to other documents and standards. I wanted to get clarification on tyre widths. Er70 14 was the " standard "tyre size for most 70's cars as this size doesn't exist any more i wanted to know what the with of this tyre was so as to calculate the maximum tyre width permissible under the new regs. They referred me to another document but this didn't help which leads me to believe event vic roads can't get their heads around some of it

205/70 14

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by buickman

Well I beg to differ a VN SS and Group A are 25 years old and meet the criteria, also are increasing in value and are not oil leakers like a lot of the older cars especially English makes. If the car is over 25 years old it’s not breaking any rules if driver fills in their log books.
What I find unfair in the new rules is if a car has been forced to be converted to RHD and previously registered in Australia it now has to have an engineer’s report as well as a roadworthy.

Really? I have one of those ('70 Fury convertible) which I still have all the rego stuff from Qld (plates, papers, etc). Being an old conversion I doubt it would pass current engineering standards.

I'll have to look into that one closer ..

:(

.. might end up getting EBay'd (back to Qld) instead of going though that trama (done it once for LHD full rego)

[PCT302]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

How far can you go with the mods though? Are all the basics still covered on H?

Whats if you had extractor + full exhaust, or it was converted to EFI etc? Those small things, easy to see its changed but small enough that on full rego it wouldn't make a difference.

If u look here https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/regi...1-january-2015 there are answers to your question in the link in green to download "Vehicle Standards Information No. 33 (VSI33) [PDF 296 kb] apply." for H plate cars and another for modifed cars VASS

If u google this " VSInumber8Guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.pdf " these also apply

[Hulsty]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Still at $750/year its not that expensive unless you have 10 cars, and there is no dealing with clubs, meetings, events, nazi schemes so you can't have modifications or you have to have a different plate etc.

Then potential police harassment because they're cracking down on abuse of the system and you've identified yourself for the world to see with your maroon plate to be caught up in the crackdown even if you aren't really doing much wrong (or are on the edge with some mods).

That $750 buys you a bit of piece of mind I reckon.

Insurance and registration was costing me $7800/year across 3 insured and 4 fully registered cars in 2013 lol.

Costs me $150 a year for rego AND insurance on my club registered car. There is no difference between club rego and full rego, mods etc to the car are all the same, no "piece of mind" its exactly the same. Rules, defects etc are all the same, only difference is I am limited to 45 days use per year. Its a great scheme, using mine HEAPS last year I used 43 days. I've been pulled over a few times, no issues, they check my book ask a couple of questions and I am on my way.

Re: clubs, its up to you to find a club the suits you and you only get out of a club what you put in, unless its the kinglake club, you pour in the $$$ and get club reg out of it only.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Costs me $150 a year for rego AND insurance on my club registered car. There is no difference between club rego and full rego, mods etc to the car are all the same, no "piece of mind" its exactly the same. Rules, defects etc are all the same, only difference is I am limited to 45 days use per year. Its a great scheme, using mine HEAPS last year I used 43 days. I've been pulled over a few times, no issues, they check my book ask a couple of questions and I am on my way.

Re: clubs, its up to you to find a club the suits you and you only get out of a club what you put in, unless its the kinglake club, you pour in the $$$ and get club reg out of it only.

I struggle to use mine for 20 days per year

As an aside, the 45 days is a minimum, you can purchase another 45 for a total of 90 days for a princely sum of $72 per 45

Maybe cutting it back to 45, no option of 90 may be away to stop some of the shonky useage

[GasoLane]

Just slightly off topic here.........

I have no cars on club rego but I am curious as to how insurance works with club plates.

Here in NSW 3rd party (green slip) is a stand alone policy and not handled by the RTA/RMS so how do the insurance companies calculate the cost.

The same for fully comp ins, do they take into account the only driving the car for 45 days a year ?

[PCT302]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Just slightly off topic here.........

I have no cars on club rego but I am curious as to how insurance works with club plates.

Here in NSW 3rd party (green slip) is a stand alone policy and not handled by the RTA/RMS so how do the insurance companies calculate the cost.

The same for fully comp ins, do they take into account the only driving the car for 45 days a year ?

Im with shannons and have 4 cars on club rego total agreed value $120000 between them and it costs $1056 per year and yes it was much higher when they were on full rego. There is not much difference when on 45 or 90 days club permit

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Just slightly off topic here.........

I have no cars on club rego but I am curious as to how insurance works with club plates.

Here in NSW 3rd party (green slip) is a stand alone policy and not handled by the RTA/RMS so how do the insurance companies calculate the cost.

The same for fully comp ins, do they take into account the only driving the car for 45 days a year ?

TAC is the only third party insurer in Vic. The third party insurance is included in the ~$70 club registration fee for the 45 day permit.

The comprehensive insurance is a bit cheaper with club plates, for both Lumleys (my insurer), and Shannons. As it was previously with the earlier CH plates.

[xisled]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Just slightly off topic here.........

I have no cars on club rego but I am curious as to how insurance works with club plates.

Here in NSW 3rd party (green slip) is a stand alone policy and not handled by the RTA/RMS so how do the insurance companies calculate the cost.

The same for fully comp ins, do they take into account the only driving the car for 45 days a year ?

CTP (green slip) is not privatised in Victoria and is paid through your rego. So the club plates have CTP included.

With full comp insurance, this would depend on the insurance company and what they would offer. All insurance companies would have their own policy restrictions etc.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

this may shock some, but I joined the car club I am in for the social stuff, the club rego is an added bonus, I think I might be one of the rare ones

I am actually in 3 different car clubs, all 3 are registered with Vicroads for CPS, my club rego is with the one I frequent the most for the social outings

Mate, I'm hearing you, I've been with my club since 2008, I didn't even consider a car on H plates until 2014