Aussie fords and holdens in other countries/falcons with different front ends

[Dezza]

How about the 1960 Ford Frontenac from Canada?


They then replaced it with the Mercury Comet, which was also heavily based off the Falcon (and the source of the XP's front sheetmetal)


Both the models were built over there based off the US Falcon, but it's still interesting to see them.

[Spurious]

Originally Posted by JG66ME

Not sure I understand you post. That is not an Australian Falcon re-badged. It is a European Mk II Granada that came out a good year or two before, 1977 to be exact. Note that the rear door top is similar to the XC, the XD had a much lower door line.

The XD was styled after that car so Ford Australia cannot claim all the glory for XD styling. The XD even shares headlights and front indicators with the Mk II Granada. Those parts have European part numbers.

All UK RHD Mk II Granadas were built at the Cologne Plant in Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Granada_(Europe)

Inside the Granada was far more refined than the XD. Especially the Ghia models. Leather seats and real timber dash and door toppings. Very nice car.

I understand what you mean.

My point though is that Ford & Holden are not Australian....period!
Falcons might be made here but even they are based on U.S &/or UK designs, they just have different styling.

So technically you should have gone to the U.S to ask the question of Fords in a foreign land!

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Dezza

How about the 1960 Ford Frontenac from Canada?
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They then replaced it with the Mercury Comet, which was also heavily based off the Falcon (and the source of the XP's front sheetmetal)
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Both the models were built over there based off the US Falcon, but it's still interesting to see them.

That frontenac looks cool with an airplane propeller in its grille. The centre of it would make a nice place for a turbo snout

[WogBoy5150]

I love that frontenac!

[Dezza]

Yeah, it looks mad. They'd be ultra-rare too.

As for Holdens in different countries, here we have this horror in Germany, the Bitter Vero!


Before that, they had the Bitter CD2, aka a heavily mutated Holden Monaro


And for a classic overseas Holden, the Mazda Roadpacer, which was famous for it's rotary engine. The car was too heavy for the engine though so it was slow and thirsty


And last but not least, the Isuzu Statesman DeVille, which was just a rebadged Holden. No rotary in this one!

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Dezza

Yeah, it looks mad. They'd be ultra-rare too.

As for Holdens in different countries, here we have this horror in Germany, the Bitter Vero!
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Before that, they had the Bitter CD2, aka a heavily mutated Holden Monaro
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And for a classic overseas Holden, the Mazda Roadpacer, which was famous for it's rotary engine. The car was too heavy for the engine though so it was slow and thirsty
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And last but not least, the Isuzu Statesman DeVille, which was just a rebadged Holden. No rotary in this one!
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Wow those Bitter cars were really designed by some bitter or twisted individuals. Those are horrific. I thought germans would have had better styling sense than that.

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Wow those Bitter cars were really designed by some bitter or twisted individuals. Those are horrific. I thought germans would have had better styling sense than that.

Have you seen their dress sense? Shell suits rule.

[AUwindsor]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Wow those Bitter cars were really designed by some bitter or twisted individuals. Those are horrific. I thought germans would have had better styling sense than that.

The sedan don't look too bad. The Monaro though looks hideous

[GTP-RPD]

HK-HG DNA from brazil

http://www.productioncars.com/send_f...beige_1972.jpg

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Dezza

Yeah, it looks mad. They'd be ultra-rare too.

As for Holdens in different countries, here we have this horror in Germany, the Bitter Vero!
image

Before that, they had the Bitter CD2, aka a heavily mutated Holden Monaro
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And for a classic overseas Holden, the Mazda Roadpacer, which was famous for it's rotary engine. The car was too heavy for the engine though so it was slow and thirsty
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And last but not least, the Isuzu Statesman DeVille, which was just a rebadged Holden. No rotary in this one!
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I don't think those bitters were built for production.. just show cars.
The earlier bitters from the 70's and 80's are nice rides.

[WogBoy5150]

Before i decide how much i dislike that silver bitter vero i wanna see it in black with dark tint and black rims.I think it would look slick in a dark colour.

[SSVPom]

How about the Mk2 Vauxhall Cavalier Estate, assembled in UK from knock down rear panel kits from Australia ?


Or the German manufactured Vauxhall / Opel Senators, Royales and Monzas ?

[castellan]

Originally Posted by FlivverFord

I understand what you mean.

My point though is that Ford & Holden are not Australian....period!
Falcons might be made here but even they are based on U.S &/or UK designs, they just have different styling.

So technically you should have gone to the U.S to ask the question of Fords in a foreign land!

That's rubbish. (period)

Ford and Holden are Australian in many ways and only a fool would say they are not.
Australian could never of made their own 100% car ever or if it did it would be like some Russian 2 stroke junk they had.

We had a lot of input for our cars and GM and Ford were fantastic to come and serve us with cars for Australia.
We had British cars made hear and a lot they did not cut it.

The main problems came from the people in the USA or UK not understanding or needs but it's our Aussie Ford and Holden teams that made the big difference.
The problem mainly with the Valiants and UK cars was lack of Aussie input and cutting corners because of lack of money to do so.

So when one hears of some goat bagging Aussie cars as a whole, the fact is they are just so ignorant and have no in depth understanding at all. it's just like a ALP get together and start barking up the wrong tree.

[WogBoy5150]

Those opels look horrible!!

[XC GXL]

The first generation Commodores were basically the Opel anyway. Holden took the easy option whereas Ford based the XD on the Granada but kept the Aussie driveline. A better move I think.
A bit of info here.
I also have some 1970's UK Motor Show brochures with the Falcon and Charger in so i will scan these tomorrow and post up.

Wayne













and some info on the Mazda Roadpacer AP

[Maka]

Any AFF member's / old golfer's recognize who that bloke is standing next to the Isuzu Statesman DeVille in post 35? I'm pretty sure it's Jack Nicklaus, he was a fair golfer in his time!

cheer's, Maka

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by XC GXL

The first generation Commodores were basically the Opel anyway. Holden took the easy option whereas Ford based the XD on the Granada but kept the Aussie driveline. A better move I think.
A bit of info here.
I also have some 1970's UK Motor Show brochures with the Falcon and Charger in so i will scan these tomorrow and post up.

Wayne

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and some info on the Mazda Roadpacer AP

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Hold on.. didn't ford base the Styling of the XD on the Granada.
But the floor pan and running gear were carry overs from xc and further back?
That's what has been written before.

[XC GXL]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Hold on.. didn't ford base the Styling of the XD on the Granada.
But the floor pan and running gear were carry overs from xc and further back?
That's what has been written before.

Not entirely sure maybe it was just the styling.
I'm not really up on the fourth generation Falcons mainly third generation.

Wayne

[Bossxr8]

In terms of parts the XD probably shared nothing with the Granada bar the headlights. I reckon everything else would have been unique to XD. The styling obviously had some similar elements but it was basically a clean sheet design.

Love seeing the sales figures for VB Vs XD. The XD completely destroyed the Commodore. How Ford lost that momentum after Holden were basically broke and needed to be bailed out by GM in 85 is a sad story. Starting with the quality woes of the EA and no V8 in 82.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Maka

Any AFF member's / old golfer's recognize who that bloke is standing next to the Isuzu Statesman DeVille in post 35? I'm pretty sure it's Jack Nicklaus, he was a fair golfer in his time!

cheer's, Maka

Looks very much like a young Jack!

[XC GXL]

Here is the UK sales brochure for the XC GXL and XC Fairmont Wagon including sales costs.

I will scan in the 1970's Motor Show pages tomorrow.

Wayne

[Maka]

Good seeing that Fairmont GXL brochure, my dad had one of those. Thanks for that XC GXL, very nice!

cheer's, Maka

[Yellow_Festiva]

Sapa, Vietnam:





I thought that sorta looked like a VN Commy - long stretch I know!

No mistaking this one from South Korea but!

[Road_Warrior]

Yeah I've seen a WK Statesman/Buick Royaum in China. Xi'an 2005 to be precise.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Sapa, Vietnam:

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I thought that sorta looked like a VN Commy - long stretch I know!

No mistaking this one from South Korea but!

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Arent those statesmans supposed to be wearing daewoo badges in south korea? Guess even koreans hate the daewoo badge themselves

[atmoxr6]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Sapa, Vietnam:

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I thought that sorta looked like a VN Commy - long stretch I know!

No mistaking this one from South Korea but!

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top one is a camira, it made it to the us as a chevy of some type also.

[Falcman0o7]

na na na! holden commodores are 100% aussie bra! all aussie you ask mi mate dazza its true! commys are sick and they go fast and they can go over ramps!

[XR Martin]

Camira was also sold as the Cadillac Cimarron, ofter regarded as one of the worst cars ever made

[Brodes]

Homeland has used & destroyed a heap of Territory's

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_748118-...y-SX-2005.html

[dawsman]

RDP motorsport BA XR8 ute in the US (one of many youtube videos):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoJlbL3dCc

They even drive the thing on the streets!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCll0dMM73Q