Sam Surace - Victoria. Teaches kids to do burnouts.

[GTPChris]

Originally Posted by mcnews

I have to put up with more dickwad hunters than hoons where I am :-)

I have to put up with more dickwad hoons than hunters where I am.

What's your point?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by GTPChris

I have to put up with more dickwad hoons than hunters where I am.

What's your point?

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

[MITCHAY]

As long as he's not doing it where I live I couldn't care less.

Sans the burnouts, how is it any different to any other kid out driving around in the middle of whoop whoop with their dad?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was over it by the time he has a licence and was less likely to annoy everyone dropping them every other corner at all times of the night.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

In reality .... they probably are more dangerous statistically. But then so is standing outside in a thunderstorm ....... but that isn't socially unacceptable just yet

[GTPChris]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

When they ban fishing or hunting, what is the next supposed comparison you'd find acceptable?

When they ban every car that is remotely fun to drive, what will you do then?

Suggest you read some of the work of Martin Niemöller if you still don't get it. Here's a snippet in case you haven't worked out how to use Google yet.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Bulletime]

Good on him in regard to teaching his kids in a safe environment and a passion for cars. God there's skid pans and track days as well I bet the whingers and tree huggers would lose their **** over if they had a look on the YouTube. Better then on the street ffs.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by GTPChris

NO! But I have supplied data to support my point. Lets compare notes when you have data on the safe recreational activity of doing burnouts.

The point being, don't sledge one recreational activity to justify the safety of another. Unless you're a sandal wearing, tree hugging, weed smoking hippy, the media will exploit the individuals involved and make us all look like a fool.

I look forward to the day when the common dog Aussie understands that.

Well hallelujah and pass the ammunition! I've just been converted!

[zipping]

Its good the guy is standing up for his decision to teach his kids burn outs etc. FWIW my ol man chucked me the keys to his 308 hq ute when I was 13 and told me to work it out while he went and fed the cattle. Driving is still one of my favourite pass times.

Just laugh at the so called laws and safety police being outraged. Private property is private property and it amazes me how apathetic we are as we continue to allow the State to write more and more laws dictating what we can and cant do on our properties.

[93EB_SXR6]

Originally Posted by zipping

Its good the guy is standing up for his decision to teach his kids burn outs etc. FWIW my ol man chucked me the keys to his 308 hq ute when I was 13 and told me to work it out while he went and fed the cattle. Driving is still one of my favourite pass times.

Just laugh at the so called laws and safety police being outraged. Private property is private property and it amazes me how apathetic we are as we continue to allow the State to write more and more laws dictating what we can and cant do on our properties.

I agree with you for the most part, especially about 'private property' being private property. The main issue is really the pollution aspect of burn outs. As far as safety, I don't really care.

[Cuyper]

Gees's most Hunters I meet are freakin ferals and dangerous to look at let alone be near when they have loaded guns

The big difference between those past times is that one kills things that didn't want to be killed and the other makes pollution which probably kills things too, just so slowly you wont notice. I've never been a fan of guns unless they are used for self defence or generally killing people then that's fine. But I'm not a fan of un justified hunting for the sport of it.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by GTPChris

When they ban fishing or hunting, what is the next supposed comparison you'd find acceptable?

When they ban every car that is remotely fun to drive, what will you do then?

Suggest you read some of the work of Martin Niemöller if you still don't get it. Here's a snippet in case you haven't worked out how to use Google yet.

they can ban whatever they want. I dont stop doing things because of some silly little rules telling me somethings bad for me

btw i hate fishing

[xisled]

Originally Posted by brismike

I saw the report on the news .. The bit that surprised me was the Police claiming that they could impound the car because of what he is allowing his children to do, even though it is on private land in a controlled environment!

Is that actually true .. Or are the cops just blowing smoke?

Have a look at this thread. Nothing really confirmed but similar debate about private property.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...ivate+property

[chevypower]

Governments would wrap us all up in bubble wrap to coddle us if it weren't for the risk of suffocation!

I had a good Saturday a few days ago. Double black lines on the road from a Dodge 6.7L Cummins turbo diesel AND I fired my new 7mm Remington Mag for my first time!

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by brismike

I saw the report on the news .. The bit that surprised me was the Police claiming that they could impound the car because of what he is allowing his children to do, even though it is on private land in a controlled environment!

Is that actually true .. Or are the cops just blowing smoke?

sadly, yes. In Vic at least. I believe that it is okay to do stuff like that during an organised event, but otherwise it falls under the hoon laws even if it is on private property.

[XRtowcar]

Thought it was ok teaching the youngens to do burnouts, but with the footage of him doing a burnout into his garage in a confined space with someone with a camera standing two metres in front of the car left me a bit undecided.
The guy clearly isn't interested in the safety of others.
If you want to teach them, do it properly in an open space away from danger.
Think he is more interested in massaging his ego.

[grey_esp]

I dont have a problem with what he is doing with his kids, IMHO its actually good that he is teaching them instead of them getting their license and going out to tech them selves on the roads.

Probably the way he has gone about it IE; Doing it in the drive way, letting his older son if front of the car to pump the suspension and posting the footage is not the best idea, but you live and learn. Cut the guy some slack.

[jpblue1000]

All this talk about dads...What about the mums. My mother was the one who taught me the finaries of what was to become known as 'drifting' while at Winton raceway when I was 12/13. I grew up in a motorsport family, learnt to seriously drive at 8, motorkanahs at 10 and track at 12 onwards.
I believe in early driver training, I aslo believe in doing it properly at appropriate locations. Teach them to do burnouts in the driveway and they will believe its normal to do burnouts in the driveway, Which it shouldnt be. Or teach them to drive at the track rather than just move a car around like most who have their license and they will have skills for life, and having done the odd burnout, I believe greater skills than a burnout can teach you.

JP

[bluovl]

Pathetic as always is the media that is blowing this story up and making something out of nothing.
There are kids doing skids and running people over on Xbox & Play Station as we speak. At least Sam Surace's kids are going to understand the potential risks and hopefully respect the workings of a real car.

And also if the media are so concerned with childrens health & welfare they need to get to the Emergency Departments of hospitals on Friday nights when junior basketball is played. Also Saturday mornings & early afternoons during the footy season. I'm not knocking these sports (love footy).

The media in this case, as always, are feeding the general ignorant masses.

[jpd80]

I can understand why he did what he thought was the right thing but in today's community, the guy is on a hiding to nothing.

Legislation has changed these days and the rules of the road now apply on private property,
much to the consternation of those of us used to having paddock bashers in our youth.

It's a shame that we've got to this stage but unfortunately, the poor judgement by a few
has lead to the wowsers in government having the ammunition to introduce blanket rules for everyone.

The first rule of fight club is that no one talks about fight club, let alone post it on internet...
you just know that the government is gonna make an example of him and make him wish he'd never posted footage..

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Cuyper

Gees's most Hunters I meet are freakin ferals and dangerous to look at let alone be near when they have loaded guns

In all honesty you probably met a lot of hunters in your life & not realised it

Back on topic what a person does with bringing up their children is their business as long it is with common sense.

Cheers.

[supershifty]

My daughter's Mazda Genki won't do skidz

[v8der]

I remember back in the day bush bashing in an old death trap with no rear seat and shattered windows. I also remember it being heaps of fun. Dangerous, but heaps of fun

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by supershifty

My daughter's Mazda Genki won't do skidz
image

Not trying hard enough!

[v8der]

All learning drivers should be put through an advanced driving course prior to being issued with a license. Not some half-baked 120 hour scam that is currently in place.

[kaniSS]

Originally Posted by supershifty

My daughter's Mazda Genki won't do skidz
image

Lift the front up....

[zoesgift]

reality is tv programs need ratings and they achieved their goal. reality is whether you agree with what he did or not as a father, he made many of us look like people we are not....hoons. reality the tv programme could not care less about the right or wrong its called sensationalism. imo as a father he made a choice I wouldn't but that his business it didn't need to be make it to you tube or national television ffs!

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by supershifty

My daughter's Mazda Genki won't do skidz
image

drop some oil down, lift it, trolley jack it, car hoist it, cut brake lines....

everything skids

[Maka]

As a parent you'd have to worry a bit when they become teenagers, out & about with their mates on their own.... imagine mum before the son walks out the door after dinner - son dont forget the hemet!

Everyone i know that learnt early (including me) all had at least one death defying stack & are lucky to be alive (most under the age of 20). But in saying that, after those crashes respect was learnt for ones self & we also stopped watching the Dukes of Hazzard as much.

cheers, Maka

[supershifty]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

drop some oil down, lift it, trolley jack it, car hoist it, cut brake lines....

everything skids

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Not trying hard enough!

Originally Posted by kaniSS

Lift the front up....

Strange how kids change. When they were 3 + 5 the eldest daughter would beam a smile from ear to ear and the youngest would clap her hands when I nailed the Cortina or pull a 2nd geary slideways into opposite lock around a corner. (Mum was not in the car) 15 years on I get frowned upon for chirping taking off from the lights. Gen why alright!

Cheers!

[You Yangs]

********* breed *********!!! If this father wants to teach his boys how to drive then showing them how to do a burnout is not it.