Maccas Armed Robbers? Where Next?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by glavas

i really wish we were much tougher on crime. life sentence to everyone or even death for law breakers. would be a much nicer place to live.

There'd be nothing happening on Ford Forums because we'd all be dead for 3km/h over the limit, or for downloading music.

[XR6_661]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

There'd be nothing happening on Ford Forums because we'd all be dead for 3km/h over the limit, or for downloading music.

I thought you were going to say it'd be dead because people wouldn't have news such as this to post threads about that just turn into a **** fight.

I think that'd be closer to the money haha.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by glavas

I think you will find there's a difference between a tuff on crime society and a regime That represses the rights of it's people.

You realise he was responding to a comment about death penalties in a thread on robbing a maccas right?

Couple of problems with a death penalty.
Problem 1. You cant take it back when the system gets it wrong. There are innocent people in jail. Yes they all claim to be, but that does not alter the fact, some are innocent. Are you OK with executing the innocent? Or is a few acceptable?


Problem 2. If a person is willing to commit crimes, then what is to stop them killing any potential witnesses. What difference does it make to them if they kill everyone in the place, they can only be executed once. Remember, we're talking about meth heads and whatnot, not just some rambunctious teens.

Theres tough on crime, and then theres ignorant knee jerk reactions. Nth Korea wasnt that far off the mark.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ThaFlash

wow food plus, remember their slurpies? "Slush Puppies" grape flavour hmmm...

back on topic, who's gonna go stake out a couple of maccas tonight in the area?

Pineapple donuts. Not iced, just pineapple flavour in the dough.

[glavas]

Originally Posted by fmc351

You realise he was responding to a comment about death penalties in a thread on robbing a maccas right?

Couple of problems with a death penalty.
Problem 1. You cant take it back when the system gets it wrong. There are innocent people in jail. Yes they all claim to be, but that does not alter the fact, some are innocent. Are you OK with executing the innocent? Or is a few acceptable?


Problem 2. If a person is willing to commit crimes, then what is to stop them killing any potential witnesses. What difference does it make to them if they kill everyone in the place, they can only be executed once. Remember, we're talking about meth heads and whatnot, not just some rambunctious teens.


Theres tough on crime, and then theres ignorant knee jerk reactions. Nth Korea wasnt that far off the mark.

Yes you can get it wrong now and then but as long as god knows your innocent it's okay. You starting to sound like a born again.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by glavas

Yes you can get it wrong now and then but as long as god knows your innocent it's okay. You starting to sound like a born again.

say wut?


You bring god up, I never mention anything about it, and I sound like the born again? You really should take your meds.

Apparently you are OK with executing a few innocent people. The more you post, the more you demonstrate sb was right referencing Nth Korea.

[Pinkbits]

Guys, Keep it civil & on topic please.

[ST]

Originally Posted by glavas

i really wish we were much tougher on crime. life sentence to everyone or even death for law breakers. would be a much nicer place to live.

WTF?

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Hallelujah ,rep points coming your way M8

WTF? x1,000,000
I hope for the sake of the world you guys never have anything to do with politics, law enforcement or anything of the sort.

On topic, these hamburglars don't seem too bright hitting stores so close together. They should be caught pretty quickly if they strike again.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

You can be assured that the "embona" taskforce will be staking out a few outlets in the next few days as the pattern looks very similar after only 3 hits. The police probably already know who they are looking for and hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

Damn straight, not one member of the Springfield police force will eat, oh did I say eat, I meant to say sleep until these slime balls are caught and bashed to the full extent of the law.

Originally Posted by glavas

i really wish we were much tougher on crime. life sentence to everyone or even death for law breakers. would be a much nicer place to live.

Yeah right, you first. Now how many laws have you broken over the years?

Originally Posted by redxm

What sort of society have we become. Kids being terrorised at there first job. Thats a very traumatic thing to go through for anyone, let alone a 16 yr old (as most maccas staff are)
bring back public stoning

Kids being terrorised in their first job? Hate to tell you buddy, but this has been going on since Moses played full back for the Jerusalem thirds. I could tell you stories from my apprenticeship days that you simply would not believe. I’m not saying that this isn’t traumatic for the people involved, but lets not go overboard.

Originally Posted by StrikeTwiceXR6

Every night in Sydney you see so called "tough" people terrorising McDonalds carparks and throwing garbage everywhere. They do this because they know they will get little oposition from the teenage staff and the families that eat there. If these scumbags are so tough, go to the local bikie bar and carry on the way the do in the bar carpark. It's too easy to terrorise families and teenage staff though.

Yep, if they were real tough, they’d do it out the front of their local outlaw motorcycle club house.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by ST

On topic, these hamburglars don't seem too bright hitting stores so close together. They should be caught pretty quickly if they strike again.

Or it could escalate as they turn their attention to random targets...home invasions perhaps.

Whilst i wouldnt go as far as to suggest the death penalty, the judicial system in this country could do with a dose of cement powder.

We had a shocking incident in SA on new years eve where a tough guy king hit a teen and killed him...he had the nerve to apply for bail, to which the Judge, by phone mind you, has agreed to consider it...

Perhaps if the people handing down the sentences were a little firmer, we wouldnt be living in a society spiralling out of control.

(Just for the record...yes people got bashed in the 'ol days too)

[wrongwaynorris]

[QUOTE=ST]WTF?


WTF? x1,000,000
I hope for the sake of the world you guys never have anything to do with politics, law enforcement or anything of the sort.

No much better to just turn the streets over to the crims and toss the towel in at the expense of the 99.9% of law abiding contibutors to society .

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I can remember avoiding 7/11's and Foodplus in the 80's because of the gang element that would sit in the car parks at night....
I dont think human nature is any worse now than 25 years ago, the difference is the greater opportunities (such as 24hr maccas) we have now to exploit life and exercise stupidity.....

It's got a lot more to do with the lunatic left destroying every institution ( legal , educational etc etc ) from within . Everyones a victim these days and noone wants or has to accept responsibilty for their actions and there are bugger all real consequences . Worst thing NSW ever did was repeal the summary offences act , that was the day the lunatic left started to hand the streets over to the criminals .

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Or it could escalate as they turn their attention to random targets...home invasions perhaps.

Whilst i wouldnt go as far as to suggest the death penalty, the judicial system in this country could do with a dose of cement powder.

We had a shocking incident in SA on new years eve where a tough guy king hit a teen and killed him...he had the nerve to apply for bail, to which the Judge, by phone mind you, has agreed to consider it...

Perhaps if the people handing down the sentences were a little firmer, we wouldnt be living in a society spiralling out of control.

(Just for the record...yes people got bashed in the 'ol days too)

You reckon a judge can hand down any sentence they like? They cant. If they hand down a tough sentence for a first offence, it will be reduced on appeal.

Judges work within guidelines, at least part of which is defined in economic terms. Until youre prepared to pay an additional rate of tax, and have a prison built in your neighbourhood, youre part of those economic reasons. Do you want, lets say, kiddie fiddlers housed next door to you? These are just two of the numerous problems even governments who want to get tough on crime face. Any area earmarked for the prison, becomes very vocal about their own families safety and property values and lifestyles, and who can blame them. And the prospect of additional taxation to cover it brings out words like 'money grubbers'.

One of many reason the judge considers bail, is because the man at this point is considered innocent. You do understand the meaning of the phrase, "Assumed innocent until proven guilty"? Proven, in court, the case yet to be heard, hasnt happened yet so he is still considered innocent. Or would you prefer to assume all accused are guilty and let them prove their innocence? Because if you prefer guilty until proven innocent, you dont understand what the country stands for, what the flag represents, or what diggers fought and died to protect. I can tell you, innocent until proven guilty is part of that. Thats part of the freedom and liberty mentioned in such debates. The rule of law which is a cornerstone of our system of governance.


To quote an American legend, 'they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'.

[Bucknaked]

It was only a matter of time before someone had enough of being asked if they wanted a hot apple pie with that order.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Guys, Keep it civil & on topic please.

Don't you just love being ignored......

Time look at some warning points and neg rep.

[chrisfpv]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Don't you just love being ignored......

Time look at some warning points and neg rep.

Was only a matter of time.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

You reckon a judge can hand down any sentence they like? They cant. If they hand down a tough sentence for a first offence, it will be reduced on appeal.

Judges work within guidelines, at least part of which is defined in economic terms. Until youre prepared to pay an additional rate of tax, and have a prison built in your neighbourhood, youre part of those economic reasons. Do you want, lets say, kiddie fiddlers housed next door to you? These are just two of the numerous problems even governments who want to get tough on crime face. Any area earmarked for the prison, becomes very vocal about their own families safety and property values and lifestyles, and who can blame them. And the prospect of additional taxation to cover it brings out words like 'money grubbers'.

One of many reason the judge considers bail, is because the man at this point is considered innocent. You do understand the meaning of the phrase, "Assumed innocent until proven guilty"? Proven, in court, the case yet to be heard, hasnt happened yet so he is still considered innocent. Or would you prefer to assume all accused are guilty and let them prove their innocence? Because if you prefer guilty until proven innocent, you dont understand what the country stands for, what the flag represents, or what diggers fought and died to protect. I can tell you, innocent until proven guilty is part of that. Thats part of the freedom and liberty mentioned in such debates. The rule of law which is a cornerstone of our system of governance.


To quote an American legend, 'they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'.

You mean like the people who built/bought into the estate in the valley right next to SA's Yatala Prison 10yrs ago?
Didnt seem to worry them.

So tell me, if some .... killed someone in a cowardly attack and was free to live next door to you until whatever time the judicial system choses to try their case you'd be happy about it.
We have a full remand centre here in Adelaide, can we send a few to your street...they're innocent until found guilty too, just ask them.

[Falcon Coupe]

One down.

[russellw]

As usual these threads seem to bring out the worst in people and therefore I am going to close it before it escalates (dives) any further.

Cheers
Russ