Whats going on with Commodores? - Page 2

FordFella · 18-12-2007, 06:10 PM

Way out west Sydney in a different shire (wollondilly) is where the most amount of deaths occur. I think in the paper they have a weekly section devoted to the crashes occuring lately. And surprise, no Falcons. The VL craze is everywhere people!
Clearly the solution is better education at a young age. However, at my school it's to the contrary. Teachers often help kids mod their commodores and its pretty well a school project sort of thing. I don't think teachers should really be helping kids make mods that make their car go faster. Not at 16 anyway.....

onfire · 18-12-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mrniceguy

Commodores are cheap, the V8's go pretty well and they are "trendy" amongst younger male drivers who are in the highest risk group for crashing anyway.

Also throw into the mix, that earlier model Commodores are somewhat compact compared to the Falcons of the 80s... V8 or the VL Turbo models " smaller car " with a " bigger/turbo engine " .. I can understand the appeal especially if you're on a limited budget.

onfire · 18-12-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ef_classic

So true.

Or its " I like 'Nissan GTRs' hehehe "

:togo:

Sure, GT-R Skylines are a great car.. but Brian from 2 Fast 2 Furious isnt a reason to like them.

TadKa · 18-12-2007, 06:25 PM

Yeah I'm all for helping kids learn about cars but some in your face education is neccesary. I watched an US army doco about how they had a problem with servicemen thinking they were invincable. Whenever they had a deadly crash they would take the colleagues to the scene and show them. That was way too graphic. I Noticed the Aus Army has put on display outside a barracks a hsv that was involved in a fatal accident with serviceman. I think thats a good approach. Maybe something similar but not as gorey could travel to highschools. A car after a serious accident. not fatal but maybe someone who ended up in a wheelchair could talk to the 16-17 year olds.

TadKa · 18-12-2007, 06:48 PM

For what it's worth I just sent this to the ATSB. I'm sure a lot more needs to be done.

G'day,

I chat on a motoring forum and lately we have all been very concerned about the number of young people losing their lives on our roads.
We have all been trying to come up with better ideas for education. I've noticed that there is also a trend with serviceman having accidents
and the army has applied an initiative to display vehicles outside barracks that have been involved in fatal accidents.
So my idea is why not put a program together aimed at 16-17 year old that travels to highschools with a vehicle involved in a serious
(But probably not fatal as that would be too much) accident. You could also have a speaker that was involved/hurt in the accident to talk to the kids.
Another idea is to have a parent talk to the kids. Hopefully there is already similar programs around but I left school 7 years ago and I didn't go through
anything like that. We were spoken too about not jumping off piers because we might break our necks. But basically had our licences handed to us.

Thanks for Reading,

Steve Ktori

irlewy86 · 18-12-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TadKa

Yeah I'm all for helping kids learn about cars but some in your face education is neccesary. I watched an US army doco about how they had a problem with servicemen thinking they were invincable. Whenever they had a deadly crash they would take the colleagues to the scene and show them. That was way too graphic. I Noticed the Aus Army has put on display outside a barracks a hsv that was involved in a fatal accident with serviceman. I think thats a good approach. Maybe something similar but not as gorey could travel to highschools. A car after a serious accident. not fatal but maybe someone who ended up in a wheelchair could talk to the 16-17 year olds.

Yeah, my school did that, then the fireies came round and cut open an old car and explained how mashed your head would look in a real accident.

Problem was I was off fishing that day.

EDXR65SPEED · 18-12-2007, 06:50 PM

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...rom=public_rss

This is what the NAVY is doing.
Its outside Cerberus near Melbourne

TadKa · 18-12-2007, 06:52 PM

ah its the Navy. I knew I seen it somewhere.

TadKa · 18-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Bonza I got a reply. Oh well, sound like they do that kind of thing anyway.

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red_hotxr6 · 18-12-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jcxr

There was a news item the other day, 2 guys trapped in an upturned xr6, so i wouldnt be to specific on vehicle types. Im fairly Ford oriented,but it takes all kinds.

OK, for every one ford related accident there are at least 6 holden related accidents. Usually young guys, thinking they have got the fastest car in australia.And [sorry cant remember who posted the remark, but i agree, when i see these early model falcons, usually, the vn up, i just get to the left lane quickly cause they are on a mercy dash..to god knows where..

ef_classic · 18-12-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TadKa

I Noticed the Aus Army has put on display outside a barracks a hsv that was involved in a fatal accident with serviceman.

At my school, vicroads and the local police held an information night.

They offered to show pictures of very graphic crash fatalities.

NGN 351 · 18-12-2007, 09:34 PM

The reason Commodores burn is because the fuel pumps keep running after crashes. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out...Split fuel lines, hot metal (or some other ignition source), pump still running caboom !!!
Unfortunately I have seen this occur working as a paramedic and am aware of pumps running after crashes due to also being a qualified mechanic.
Dont buy a commodore...

TadKa · 19-12-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ngn351

The reason Commodores burn is because the fuel pumps keep running after crashes. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out...Split fuel lines, hot metal (or some other ignition source), pump still running caboom !!!
Unfortunately I have seen this occur working as a paramedic and am aware of pumps running after crashes due to also being a qualified mechanic.
Dont buy a commodore...

Thats interesting. do many cars do that? I guess its just older models (with mechanical pumps?) but there has been quite a few lately that have been totally incinerated. Quite horrific crashes though.

ebgli · 19-12-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Holdens are cheaper, bogans have less money; natural selection?

Holdens are cheaper? oooooookkkkkkkkkk captain no clue.

LeadFoot81 · 19-12-2007, 11:46 AM

Holdens are more popular with younger people than Fords, therefore Holdens are more likely to be involved in big accidents.

'Dumb bogans and fully sick wogs in Holdens' arent what they are because of their Holden, theyd still be 'dumb bogans and fully sick wogs' in Fords, Toyotas etc

As the years go on, with Fords resurgence in popularity with the younger crowd (as well as Toyota to an extent) well see a different spread of vehicles involved in carnage.

sleekism · 19-12-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Fantastic_Ford

Holdens are more popular with younger people than Fords, therefore Holdens are more likely to be involved in big accidents.

'Dumb bogans and fully sick wogs in Holdens' arent what they are because of their Holden, theyd still be 'dumb bogans and fully sick wogs' in Fords, Toyotas etc

As the years go on, with Fords resurgence in popularity with the younger crowd (as well as Toyota to an extent) well see a different spread of vehicles involved in carnage.

But there must be something that attracts mentally deranged people to Commodores??

I've only let a Holden fan drive my car once because I was on the and he was sober. Somehow he managed to hit the kerb on a roundabout and destroy my tyre and rim. FFS I paddock bash drifting around corners so drunk I can't see the steering wheel but have never hit anything.

I was in an argument with one of my bosses just before because he was convinced that all Falcons up to BA has leaf springs.

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Let me put it this way ALL my mates with Commodores have crashed while NONE of my mates with Falcons have crashed. I can't explain why it happens beyond Commodores being hopeless cars with hopeless drivers.

vztrt · 19-12-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Fantastic_Ford

'Dumb bogans and fully sick wogs in Holdens' arent what they are because of their Holden, theyd still be 'dumb bogans and fully sick wogs' in Fords, Toyotas etc

Just wait, they're moving to fully sick BA turbo's.

Bobman · 19-12-2007, 01:07 PM

Not just wogs but there are a large number of Arab folk who are getting around in XR6T and FPV Typhoons now.

It's just like the old VL Turbo days.

sleekism · 19-12-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

Not just wogs but there are a large number of Arab folk who are getting around in XR6T and FPV Typhoons now.

It's just like the old VL Turbo days.

Well that sucks. The "fully sick" VL is a funny stereotype I don't want the XR6 to become one.

Guess I will buy an XR8 instead

Keepleft · 19-12-2007, 04:58 PM

Dealing with a hoon? Make em see this (warning):-

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ltd · 19-12-2007, 06:20 PM

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That's messed up keepleft. Surely some of the guys who work/ed in emergency services could lay testament to some of that gore. It does work too, I remember a mate who was always doing burnouts, racing, dangerous stuff and he saw a St John first aid thing with the old Fairlane and the tree down past Kiama way, the head on with the truck etc. He threw up his lunch and drove home at 40kmh in a 70 zone. Since then, he drives responsibly and hasn't lost a point on his licence. That was 16 years ago so it must work. Even when I ask him about it now he says that the video changed his attitude to driving for the better.

tapeworm · 19-12-2007, 06:37 PM

My uncle used to be a paramedic, and ended up having to give it away, I can see why. There is no way I could live a normal life seeing that stuff in real life. It's sickening stuff, but that would also reduce hooning etc, I reckon.

Ralliart · 19-12-2007, 07:45 PM

dam p plates c/dore always race its so annoys me

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onfire · 19-12-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Let me put it this way ALL my mates with Commodores have crashed while NONE of my mates with Falcons have crashed. I can't explain why it happens beyond Commodores being hopeless cars with hopeless drivers.

My mate in his EA crashed it 17 times within the first two years.

Fences, brick work, hit a couple of cars, a 4WD rear end.. all four quarter panels, the front bar and the bonnent had all been replaced over the course of two years.

Again it comes back to the culture, regardless of the vehicle driven. The Commodore is the more popular car, when talking about the models from the early 90s, I dare say the V6 in the VN-VRs has more get up and go than the sixes in the EA-EDs. Same reason you see alot of early Rexs and R32/33 Skylines constantly being smashed up.. cheap power makes it a popular choice to boy racers.

And the fact Mum and Dad probly bought a Falcon.

sleekism · 19-12-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onfire

My mate in his EA crashed it 17 times within the first two years.

Fences, brick work, hit a couple of cars, a 4WD rear end.. all four quarter panels, the front bar and the bonnent had all been replaced over the course of two years.

Again it comes back to the culture, regardless of the vehicle driven. The Commodore is the more popular car, when talking about the models from the early 90s, I dare say the V6 in the VN-VRs has more get up and go than the sixes in the EA-EDs. Same reason you see alot of early Rexs and R32/33 Skylines constantly being smashed up.. cheap power makes it a popular choice to boy racers.

And the fact Mum and Dad probly bought a Falcon.

I've actually found the Falcons back end a lot easier to get sideways. Seems to have more grunt while the Commowhore has to rev it's tits off. The VN's around also don't seem to be as powerful as the specs say.

I have:

1)Mate who wrapped his HZ around a tree
2)Mate who destroyed VN trying to drift
3)Mate who destroyed a VK trying to drift
4)Mate who wrapped a VS around a tree
5)Mate who dropped a VL in a table drain
6)mte who smashed a VT into a tree doing doughies
7)Mate who rversed a VT into a brick wall
8)Mate who lost a VS on a corner and was upside down in a creek

Have about 10 mates with Falcons

1)Engine blew running from the cops in XH???

GTP290 · 19-12-2007, 08:25 PM

ever since they(holden)bought out the v6, young people always have wanted commodores, because theyre punchier off the line and look good( good to them anyway) when theyre slightly modified. the 4.1 and more so the n/a 4.0 litre have always been good smooth mid range to top end engines, but dont have the kick of the v6 down low, thats prob the reason why young kids like holdens over fords.

XR6_190 · 19-12-2007, 09:22 PM

I think some of it also has to do with Ford lacking a V8 falcon in the 80's, A lot of kids growing up at the time would have been put off XF's and EA's without them having a V8 option and more so, the lack of Falcons going to Bathurst and the like in this Time.

When they got old enough to by a car, it would have been the mid 90's, they then would be going for things like the VB, VH, VK, Etc. Than it snowballs, with their younger siblings, and their friends.

Then add in the AU into the occasion (now I'm not saying the Au was a bad car, I mean I owned one, great car.) It's initial styling would have put a lot more people off too, and again it snowballs. Most people who bought an AU1 brand new bought it because either they were staying loyal to Ford, or they could see past the styling. Whichever it is both of these types of people are not the type to go hooning along the West Gate FWY at 160

LeadFoot81 · 19-12-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Just wait, they're moving to fully sick BA turbo's.

Yep thats the way its going unfortunately :(

LeadFoot81 · 19-12-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

But there must be something that attracts mentally deranged people to Commodores??

I've only let a Holden fan drive my car once because I was on the and he was sober. Somehow he managed to hit the kerb on a roundabout and destroy my tyre and rim. FFS I paddock bash drifting around corners so drunk I can't see the steering wheel but have never hit anything.

Let me put it this way ALL my mates with Commodores have crashed while NONE of my mates with Falcons have crashed. I can't explain why it happens beyond Commodores being hopeless cars with hopeless drivers.

Dont know about paddock bashing while blind drunk...
But as someone here said, the popular brands which as second hand cars offer cheap/easy power attract the boy racers who are more likely to push past their limits.

I do admit though Commodores VN-VS are pretty scary overpowered/geared heaps with bad suspension and handling, but if you're not doing anything crazy in them you should be fine.

KW XRT · 19-12-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gtp 2003

ever since they(holden)bought out the v6, young people always have wanted commodores, because theyre punchier off the line and look good( good to them anyway) when theyre slightly modified. the 4.1 and more so the n/a 4.0 litre have always been good smooth mid range to top end engines, but dont have the kick of the v6 down low, thats prob the reason why young kids like holdens over fords.

Your right with the kick but it's all because the torque converter is this pussy little thing which gives the car more punch off the line.This however doesn';t make it faster and deep down commy drivers know this they speed past a couple of falcons and think there car is the fastest thing around.That is also why the V6 is such a pussy on cruze kicking back at the drop of a hat.

Even in the turbo I've had at least 25 V6 F/wits come up and do all sorts of things to get beside me at the lights.One day a red one did his trick cuttin in front of people to get beside me.WHen I blew the pussy thing away {I was gone before he got the clutch out I hit the brakes and wound the window down to tell him to take the HOS home but his lovely misses beat me to it,that'll teach him she said and then I better get him to take me home before he embarrases me again.I could only agree but added before he kills you.

This used to happen in the forte also it never ends with these DH not one of these clowns has ever thought they were out of there league.Go to the drag strip but and there nowhere to be found.

When I tell them my car is nearly double the HP they think I'm talkin BS.Untill the little syndrome can be stopped this will continue to happen.Like I said to my son if he ever has an accident with anyone in the car I'll K H A U T H nose bleeds.

cheers KW