4cyl Falcon - Thoughts and Reviews?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well maybe I don't hang around Telstra car parks lately. Five years ago when I did a lot of work in that sector the car parks were full of salsac fleet vehicles, a significant percentage of which were XR6, XR8 and Territory.
Earlier today I was talking with my friend who is looking at replacing his current vehicle. I recommended ecolpi G6E or diesel Terri for the role he requires to which he replied that Fords were not available.

Is that Fords in general or more specifically Falcon/Territory?

What brands were available? I’d be interesting to know if Mazda is trading in fleets more now or not.

[flappist]

No Fords at all.

The only marques I know for sure are Audi, BMW, Holden, Lexus, Nissan & Toyota as they were the ones we discussed. The focus of the discussion was 5 seats, large and mid to high performance.

There are most certainly others but they were not mentioned.

[jpd80]

(This is aimed at topic, regarding sales of Ecoboost)

The problem is that Ford could easily boost Ecoboost sales but at the cost of I-6 sales, something that's obviously undesirable.
So the only choice is "slow burn" and let the market discover it without killing the Falcon I-6 in the process...

[Jim Goose]

I wonder if any hire car companies have them yet???

[FGII-XR6]

If you are talking hire cars as in car and driver my partner is getting quotes for 2 right now she is looking at 2 G6Es we both drove them and were very impressed

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

I wonder if any hire car companies have them yet???

I used to think that too till I drove one they are quick and well behaved on the road, they actually drive better than the 6

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I hear both Orchy and Dairy Farmers are buying ecoboost Falcons, because only milk and juice comes in 2 litres.

[Dave4118]

Thought this was an interesting article
http://www.caradvice.com.au/169637/f...oboost-review/

0-100 in 6.74s - bloody fast for a 4 pot large car

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Dave4118

Thought this was an interesting article
http://www.caradvice.com.au/169637/f...oboost-review/

0-100 in 6.74s - bloody fast for a 4 pot large car

If the EcoBoost 2.0 in a Falcon is that quick, makes you wonder how quick an EcoBoost 5.0 V8 in a Mustang would be!

[deadfish2]

i know alot of people with the stigma of oh i dont need or want a turbo'd car.....

[mike_nofx]

Is there an increased insurance price over the I6, being turbo?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by deadfish2

i know alot of people with the stigma of oh i dont need or want a turbo'd car.....

Yet there is allot of people buying turbo diesels..

It is an education thing that will take time..

[fou_bleu]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Is there an increased insurance price over the I6, being turbo?

Did a quote on AAMI's site in my parent's scenario (wouldn't be pretty for a 19 yo! :P) for full comprehensive and just changed the engine type;

EB XT: $904.02 pa (online purchase) w/ $720 excess & $34,300 agreed value

I6 XT: $780.38 pa (online purchase) w/ $720 excess & $27,600 agreed value

Scaling the I6 XT to agreed value of $34,300 - $856.43 pa.

It seems there is (in AAMI's case, anyway)...

[noosacuda]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Don't worry about modifications, they will come because the ST Focus uses the same engine and the boffins overseas in Europe are onto it.

I guess something developed for the ST Focus would work with the Falcon considering its the same engine, besides the obvious.

Or the American conversion for the Focus.. a 5 litre V8.
I think it's the stigma of a "Big car with a small engine", people are still haunted with the memories of a 4 cylinder Commodore. I personally wouldn't buy or even consider one,have no interest in owning one at all.(just MY opinion)

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by deadfish2

i know alot of people with the stigma of oh i dont need or want a turbo'd car.....

Good point, probably why they don’t carry a turbo badge. as turbo has the reputation to guzzle

[2011G6E]

"Reputation to guzzle"...?

Turbos have always been advertised...both factory and especially aftermarket...as being for "increasing fuel efficiency and at the same time power", the "perfect modification".
Most cars that are turbos...unless specifically a performance model...don't even mention the turbo apart from saying "fitted with a powerful and fuel efficient turbocharged engine" or words like that.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

"Reputation to guzzle"...?

Turbos have always been advertised...both factory and especially aftermarket...as being for "increasing fuel efficiency and at the same time power", the "perfect modification".
Most cars that are turbos...unless specifically a performance model...don't even mention the turbo apart from saying "fitted with a powerful and fuel efficient turbocharged engine" or words like that.

Im saying Turbo's have a reputation for use on a perfomance car.
cars like Supras, Skylines, XR6T
the average consumer will assoctiate that with using more fuel.

give an example of "most cars" not diesels

[saber]

Silly question…but what’s the life expectancy of the turbo itself?
200000km? 300000km or more?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

(This is aimed at topic, regarding sales of Ecoboost)

The problem is that Ford could easily boost Ecoboost sales but at the cost of I-6 sales, something that's obviously undesirable.
So the only choice is "slow burn" and let the market discover it without killing the Falcon I-6 in the process...

I would hope they would be more aimed at Camry / Mazda 6 buyers....

[mik]

Originally Posted by saber

Silly question…but what’s the life expectancy of the turbo itself?
200000km? 300000km or more?

that`s a good question, no idea really, but i`m guessing it would be very dependent how the car is treated and how well the servicing is taken care of, given the speeds a turbo spins at you would think if it lasted as long as a good alternator it would be pretty amazing, 160,000/ 200,000 k`s,
that would be remarkable if it lasted that long imo, looking forward to turbo owners comments on that one.

[DivHunter]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Honestly? When was the last time you saw a "big boat or horse float" behind a Falcon or Commodore?

Yesterday, three of them (2 boats, one float). Sold my XC Ute recently which will have a 351 put in and tow another Falcon to the track.

[deadfish2]

Originally Posted by mik

that`s a good question, no idea really, but i`m guessing it would be very dependent how the car is treated and how well the servicing is taken care of, given the speeds a turbo spins at you would think if it lasted as long as a good alternator it would be pretty amazing, 160,000/ 200,000 k`s,
that would be remarkable if it lasted that long imo, looking forward to turbo owners comments on that one.

different motor but i replaced a turbo on a cummins m11 that has done 14,500hrs of full revs constant boost, if you roughly work 1 hour as an average of 60km/h that almost 900,000km, so you can get a pretty good run out of them

[mik]

Originally Posted by deadfish2

different motor but i replaced a turbo on a cummins m11 that has done 14,500hrs of full revs constant boost, if you roughly work 1 hour as an average of 60km/h that almost 900,000km, so you can get a pretty good run out of them

that`s pretty good , would you put car turbo in the same boat as a truck one though? , i know my young brother( rev head) has done a couple of turbo`s on performance cars(supra`s) over the years, would not have got near 160,000 k`s, mind you they where caned within an inch of their lives and probably a little over boosted.

[Windsor220]

All depends on what turbo they are using. Mazda CX7 turbos need replacing at about 60-100k kms because they are junk. But some other cars have no issues at all for the life of the engine.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Dave4118

Thought this was an interesting article
http://www.caradvice.com.au/169637/f...oboost-review/

0-100 in 6.74s - bloody fast for a 4 pot large car

Wheels mag ran 14.5sec 1/4mile in one.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by saber

Silly question…but what’s the life expectancy of the turbo itself?
200000km? 300000km or more?

Not silly at all. They are tested to perform for 200,000k's without service to turbo. They are a 'built in' turbo designed and incorporated into the engine and not an after thought add on (I6T).

While they are tested to perform to this, it does not mean at 201,000 they explode but is what is considered as a benchmark for longevity before anything needs attention of any sorts.

[mik]

14.5 second quarter , dam good, just think, i could hot up my 12 year old xr6 by wacking a 2 litre in it

[FGII-XR6]

these things are actually 4Kw more than my partners 5L AU LTD

[weairy]

Most good turbos will last at least 200k without any work, from everything I've seen.

Admittedly, that's mostly Toyota T/Ds. They're very much indestructable though...

I'd be interested in about 5 years down the track how many have survived.

Anyone know the amount of puff these turbos are pushing in?

[Tysonv48]

The upside is that vicroads is rethinking the p plate system
Hopefully for the best

[FGII-XR6]

they are already exempt from restrictions for P platers in NSW

Originally Posted by Tysonv48

The upside is that vicroads is rethinking the p plate system
Hopefully for the best

[Tysonv48]

Vic and Nsw
Has both been "nanny" states for a while
I was under the impression that the 4 cylinder turbo falcon was going to change the rules
Have they already been changed?