Speed Camera Destroyed

[Jayden]

judging by how many people they catch creeping over the limit, every Australian must be a felon by now.

"you have just passed a government issue automated thievery device. Thanks for the in-house donut machine. Its really great"

that should be placed after a speed camera.

[desGT]

Originally Posted by loftie

Bah humbug....

Borderline Speeding is not a crime - and it shouldn't be treated that way...

Agree with your comments.

To those who comment about our "taxes at work", the costs are minimal (compared with, say, the Christmas bashes that will be forked out for over the next month - and that is not a complaint).

We can either all sit back and let the government keep rolling over us introducing more draconian laws to raise revenue, or people can let them know they are not happy.

Other info...
http://www.ceos.com.au/products/tirtl-content.htm

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by ELGT4me

but I think a National Standard is warranted & needed!!!

already is.
AS2898 for Radar and AS4691 for LIDAR

Originally Posted by J_Tank

Hand helds are still used in NSW. However in NSW all fixed speed cameras are signposted. Some 2-3 times.

Only handhelds in NSW are LIDAR, not radar.

All Fixed cameras are signposted 3 times.

[ltd]

Sorry, but speed cameras are just another form of taxation brought about by cash strapped state governments. Yes, the same idiots who brought in the vendor tax which killed the investment market and caused higher rents for commonfolk through a lack of property, are now the same who want more money of you to fund their junkets, largesse and beuraucracy. I would not object to speed cameras if they actually put any of the money raised into repairing roads etc, but all the money goes back to consolidated revenue for use by the government. I have lost count of the amount of nose to tail arguments caused by the litany of speed cameras on approach to the spit bridge (the down hill section); the accident rate has quadrupled since they were introduced and everyone focuses on their speedometers for fear of going 5kmh over instead of the road. Look up from your speedo and "BANG". Every K over is a killer is the biggest ****fest and mistruth ever perpetrated on a gullible public too. With the populace scared to death of speeding how many cars drive well under the speed limit as a result (40 in a 70 zone) necessitating sometimes risky actions such as overtaking or even undertaking? What about the fact that the hoons which people complain about often know where the speed cameras are and simply slow down around them, yet speed everywhere else? Here in NSW (State of disrepair - its now on our number plates) policing has been replaced by proxy with speed cameras doing the job of policemen (petrol costs money) and as a result, bad behaviour on our roads has flourished but don't worry, the maniacs and mass murderers who may inadvertently go 5 kmh over are being apprehended. One of the fatal flaws can be seen here, as illustrated by Jeremy Clarkson. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gba8I5h4wU

[FalconXR6]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

The only way to beat speed cameras is not to speed.

Simple solution. Place responsibility on your own shoulders.

The only way to beat STD's is by not having sex.
Simple solution. Place responsibility on your own shoulders and stop having sex.

The only wat to beat being killed in an airplane crash is not to travel in a plane.
Simple solution. Place responsibility on your own shoulders and stop flying.

The only way to beat being killed on the roads is to stay away from the roads.
Simple solution. Place responsibility on your own shoulders and stay off the road.

As you can see, by following "uranium_death" simple rule, you can "place responsibility on your own shoulders" and avoid all the terrible things in life...

Isn't his suggestion a clever solution?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

All Fixed cameras are signposted 3 times.

Where is this wonderful mystical land you speak off?



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[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Where is this wonderful mystical land you speak off?

NSW has had this for ages

[TZENU]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Where is this wonderful mystical land you speak off?

It definitely ain't Victoria Dave... That's for sure!

[GS608]

speed cameras aren't that popular on the Gold Coast, last time i saw a camera van was almost a year ago, theres pretty much zero fixed cameras and not that many hand helds going around either!

its heaven!

[Daymoe]

Why doesn't the government put money toward catching the real criminals? Oh wait, spending money on speed cameras and giving out fines to motorists 3km/h over the limit takes less effort...

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by ltd

Sorry, but speed cameras are just another form of taxation brought about by cash strapped state governments. Yes, the same idiots who brought in the vendor tax which killed the investment market and caused higher rents for commonfolk through a lack of property, are now the same who want more money of you to fund their junkets, largesse and beuraucracy. I would not object to speed cameras if they actually put any of the money raised into repairing roads etc, but all the money goes back to consolidated revenue for use by the government. I have lost count of the amount of nose to tail arguments caused by the litany of speed cameras on approach to the spit bridge (the down hill section); the accident rate has quadrupled since they were introduced and everyone focuses on their speedometers for fear of going 5kmh over instead of the road. Look up from your speedo and "BANG". Every K over is a killer is the biggest ****fest and mistruth ever perpetrated on a gullible public too. With the populace scared to death of speeding how many cars drive well under the speed limit as a result (40 in a 70 zone) necessitating sometimes risky actions such as overtaking or even undertaking? What about the fact that the hoons which people complain about often know where the speed cameras are and simply slow down around them, yet speed everywhere else? Here in NSW (State of disrepair - its now on our number plates) policing has been replaced by proxy with speed cameras doing the job of policemen (petrol costs money) and as a result, bad behaviour on our roads has flourished but don't worry, the maniacs and mass murderers who may inadvertently go 5 kmh over are being apprehended. One of the fatal flaws can be seen here, as illustrated by Jeremy Clarkson. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gba8I5h4wU

I agree with you mate. I would be all for the revenue raised to be put back into driver training etc. Having a commercial 'Are you a creeper?' on our tv's isnt doing alot here in SA. Something else needs to be done to show the communities their cash is going to a good cause.

[ltd_on20s]

There is really only one way to get the govt to sit up and take notice of any drivers on the road. and it costs money, and its a pain in the a**

1. get all the info you can on on the revenue of every camera/ fixed radar ect
2.get the dollar amount income from these cameras and the dollar amount spent by the govt back into roads/safty campaigns
3. get the % of fatal crashes that occur in radar areas and the % that do not
4. get the % of accidents that are known to have been caused by speed

all this info is available thru FOI requests

cross reference all the data and find a solicitor willing to sue the govt for
1. lying
2. misrespresntation of road stats and deaths
3. failing to provide adequte saftey measures on known blackspots
4. failing to administer new and better driving techniques with new leaner drivers/ contributing to a higher % of youth deaths

thats just a few things i can think of off the top of my head

by the way.....not being a b*stard here but youth suicide is a bigger killer of kids then road accidents

...but theres no money in that.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Where is this wonderful mystical land you speak off?

Even though it has already been answered, I'll answer again. NSW.


Even ACT has "most" speed cameras signposted 3 times with NSW spec signs. I believe only the red light/speed cameras are still using ACT spec signs.

[XW_GS]

just get more police on the road.. it worked in the old days

[tapeworm]

Pretty sure doing 3 kp/h over on a 3 lane straight piece of road is far from dangerous. However many people can easily roll over the limit by a couple on this style of road = more $$ for the government. I can understand people ripping the things out, the garbage bag idea is good though.

[vztrt]

So how long till we go from this to the next "safety device", and then the next one. This is starting to get ridiculous.

[opto]

If it wasnt a revenue raising tactic, why dont they drop the fine and just hit you up for demerit points ?

Mind you I have never been done by a speed camera, manned radar yes..

[Rob's 76 Effy]

They must be pretty hard up knocking off someone for doing 3k's over the limit, thought there was a 10% leeway, i know years ago i got pinged doing 111k's in a 100 zone, the coper that pulled me over said i was just unlucky, they gave the 10% and had the radar set at 111kph, i was on a retricted licence (1 month to go) at the time and this fine would of had it cancelled, but he stunned me by saying don't pay the fine wait till they send me a reminder, that way i had my full licence back and only lost a few points
Check this out, makes these guy's pretty tame LOL
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FSguQg_bK38

[73XBGT]

Originally Posted by Pedro

"Speed Cameras" are revenue raisers pure and simple.
Here's what they do to them in England ... http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso.htm

I Like the way those brits take action!!! :hihi:

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by Pedro

"Speed Cameras" are revenue raisers pure and simple.
Here's what they do to them in England ... http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso.htm

hmm maybe somone got onto that site now that they have started here in australia..

good job i say.


probably only a matter of time before someone gets smart and gets a few mates together to organise weekly hits on cameras in known revenue raising postions

[ehast13]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I know it is wrong (like slapping Rick Kelly in the back of the head and running away)

I know it is childish (like playing golf with cane toads)

Perhaps that is why I find it so funny, not inspite of it.

[dom_105]

It's high time that grafitti "artists" gave something back to the community.

A can of matt black would be a good start.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by hannem

Does anyone remember the speed camera that got shot?? It was down my way in Werribee (Melbourne suburb)

It was located on a bridge overpass on the main freeway, if I remember correct it was either about to get turned on or had been just turned on.

Cheers M

Happened at the Altona (Grieve Parade overpass) camera site, heading westbound.

The camera in Box Hill North at Eastern Freeway was also shot at.

Originally Posted by XR6_661

To the people that did it. Complete idiots. And it just goes to show the utter disrespect that people have these days.

If you have that much of a problem with speed cameras, etc. Then don’t bloody speed. Simple as that. And if you are up in the air over revenue raising, once again, no speeding = no contributing to revenue raising.
Totally uncalled for going to those kind of extremes.

You don't understand that cameras are notoriously unreliable and cannot be trusted.

There's currently some noise about faulty cameras on the newly opened Eastlink Tollway.

[500SEC]

Oh. My. God.

[500SEC]

Since returning to Australia last year, I've noticed a major 'dumbing down' of the Australan motorist. Having spent the last ten years living in Europe and the UK, it's a great source of amusement to now listen to fellow Australian motorists applauding the existence of speed cameras, and the stupidity of speeding. Purlease, let's see a little more rebellion... travelling 10kmh over the limit or (shock horror) 50km/h is regarded in this nanny state as a crime greater than armed robbery. In the UK, most motorway users travel at around 130-140km/h depending on conditions, and loss of license happens at 160, a speed which most motorists don't exceed.

Hey, it even gives me a strange pleasure to see hoons doing their thing, especially in sterile Canberra where I'm now stationed during the working week. This society needs them. Long live the hoon.

I am dumbfounded at how our nation has become obsessed with 'speed' (or lack of it) all in the name of our personal safety. What have we become? A little more rebellion please.

[vanman_75]

yer my brother inlaw struggles with that as he goes back and forth to europe so often ,our signs he does in miles and when he gets there he clicks why everyone is flashing and passing him .it should be reverse as our roads and weather are much more accepting of this way of driving.he laughs at it but is concerned for his licence ,as habit is a hard thing to change

[gtxb67]

i personally have never been fined by a speed camera for something i did not do. in fact a couple of times i have passed one when exceeding the limit and not got pinged

maybe we should all go out and destroy things we do not like. the holdens in my street, my bosses/workplace is a good place for me to start - my next door neighbour looked at me the other day, i might have to have him whacked

[ebxr8240]

Take it on my speed camera's !! I'm sure I have paid for a few of them over the years !!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by loftie

Bah humbug....

Borderline Speeding is not a crime - and it shouldn't be treated that way...

True - Nobody would have an argument if we all didn't speed... But we do, so lets move on..

Here here

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

Why doesn't the government put money toward catching the real criminals? Oh wait, spending money on speed cameras and giving out fines to motorists 3km/h over the limit takes less effort...

Not only does it take more effort... catching criminals is a revenue sink hole.
Catching motorists doing 3km/h over the limit not only takes NO effort once the camera is installed, it is a revenue bonanza.... hmm.. I wonder why they keep putting in more cameras?

I think the real issue, as has already been picked up on earlier in the thread, this new camera design is more accurate... so they're acknowledging existing cameras may not be accurate - yet the government (in particular Vic, with their 3km/h "tolerance") is happy to collect hundreds of millions of dollars per annum.... there should be outrage.