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I have been checking out specs across various brands and models and almost every car in its basic form will fail these regs on co2 emissions.
However a lot of models “premium” engine or hybrid set up will scrape through. This will be a boom for manufacturers as it will add $5-10k to each vehicle sold. I predict vehicle manufacturers lobby groups will be very supportive because they care about the “climate emergency”. |
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It will apply to new models from 2025 and all new vehicles from 2028, or whatever the dates were in the release. It's no different from the introduction of euro4 or euro5. No real fanfare. Manufacturers are aware of these changes well in advance and will adjust the tuning and software to adapt. If unable, a new engine will be introduced. Lots of chicken little in this thread.
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the December 2025 deadline for EU 6d and carry through to 2028 when the new regs will probably spell the end of diesel Utes but maybe everyone has moved on by then…… By 2025, we will see both Hilux and Ranger with petrol hybrids /PHEVs to combat any negative publicity. Since 90% of our population lives within 100 km of the coast, I’m betting that the majority of those Ute sales will transition to some form of hybrid or PHEV that takes advantage of short emission free commuting. So yeah, up to 2028, I think very little impact on diesel Ranger/Everest sales unless people fall in love with petrol hybrid versions… Last edited by jpd80; 31-12-2023 at 10:18 AM. |
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Very little will change for any consumer market. Euro6 won't spell the end of diesel. Transport industry is no doubt already euro6 compliant.
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This would have to be the death of the good old big yank utes about then ?
Could lead to a bigger sales rush on new Ram Silverado F150 and Tundras before the deadline or will the manufacturers try and make them compliant too?
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A handful have released all new engines the last few years. But they are all kicking the can down the road by modifying existing platforms to meet more stringent targets while most have committed to going all EV or low emissions. And who would bother to develop new engines when a whole lot of EU countries have aimed to ban the sale of ICEs by 2030. Same story with the heavy vehicle market, most engine platforms date back to the 1990s or early 2000s. No point throwing hundred of millions or billions into R&D when the government of the day can make an emotional change to satisfy the climate doomers by the stroke of a pen and kill their investment dead in its tracks. |
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They will go hybrid. This is the point I was trying to get across. Most cars now in there basic form won’t pass. I’m not talking big V8 or 4wd utes either. But basic cars like a Kia Cerato or Honda Civic will not pass. These are already clean and fuel efficient cars but they won’t pass the co2 emissions test in their current form. However they will pass with their “premium” engine or hybrid set up. Generally these engines come in the top spec models that can cost $15-20k more than the base model. Sometimes the difference is only $5k. So most manufacturers won’t be developing new engines. The systems are already out there. They may just shuffle compliant engine system into more models, at greater cost to the consumer. |
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Much like how the 3.2 ranger engine is now obsolete in favour of the turbo, bi turbo and v6 options.
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Euro 6 took over from Euro 5 in 2014/2015 and diesels weren’t banned under it (other legislation like zero emission zones). All the different versions of Euro 6 have the same emission limits, it’s just the way they are tested. 2.0 Panther diesel and 3.0 Powerstroke/3.0 Lion were used under Euro 6 in Fords and Land Rover the 3.0 v6 being upgraded for US EPA emissions which are much tougher that anything Euro. Last edited by jpd80; 31-12-2023 at 04:22 PM. |
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Just because those base model cars don't comply in their current form doesn't mean they won't comply in the future. With the fuel quality also changing many of these engines possibly won't take much to bring them within target.
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And the big difference between Euro 4 and Euro 5/6 is that the emission gear has to be guaranteed for 160,000 km
Generally, that means servicing the equipment and replacing any malfunctioning items like EGR valve or O2 sensors. The big one for diesels is SCR/adblue injection to lower NOX. With that, most diesels are pretty much ok for Euro 6. |
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I guess its time for auto manufacturers to start refudging, opps sorry re calculating figures to make them fit the emission standards.
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EU have already delayed it from 2025 to 2030. Just like CA and another handful of US states have stalled 100% EV/hybrid new vehicle sales from 2030-2035. |
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It is already happening (Puma).... I don't want a 1 litre, 3 cyl engine which is turbo'd to infinity to make it perform. Might be OK for city burbling, but I am not sure about how long it would take to pass a semitrailer on an Australian country road. Anyhow, don't know why I should care, I won't be around to see the resurgance of the bicycle, and horse and buggy (Amish style) in 2030 or '40 or '50. |
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Given the US military alone uses 48-50 million litres of fuel a day (mostly in Kero & diesel) I doubt any effort I make to save on the 7Litres /day in consumption will make much impact, particularly if we looked at global consumption - Chinese et al. So I won't be writing to my elected member.
Diesel/Fuel will be needed for decades to come, and there is no practical current energy density solution suitable for Australia for the current war machine, airlines, or freight forwarders (trucks, trains) given the tyranny of distance. But the politicians want to be seen to be doing something. By something I mean writing new targets and legislation. I'd also like to be able to say that Australians would be better off trying to grow vegetables, rather then elect them to parliament, But the reality is the only constituents that will lobby, write or share concerns to said politicians will be those that intend to profit, given I suspect most will be in a similar situation to myself, so I can't blame the pollies (as much as Id like to) Happy New Year folks |
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She's got 218,000km on the clock now and its been pretty good aside from heat soak issues because tiny intercooler and crap AC, both of which is prevalent in every Euro Ford. |
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No it doesn’t, you’re confusing EEC /UK government BEV legislation with the EU emission regulations Quote:
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