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19-09-2007, 01:41 PM | #31 | |||
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My guess is corner cutting Toyota who needed a HUGE profit margin on the car to make it viable do not have strong enough components to handle the power. The Aurion is already stressed enough producing some 200kw at high rpm in a alloy V6. The Typhoon produces 270kw in a lazy power band at 5500rpm in a cast iron straight six. Oh and the Typhoon clutch failure was down to random chance that the engine harmonics destabilised the clutch clips. I think the original clutch was rated at 700nm |
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19-09-2007, 02:06 PM | #33 | |||
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Well the Advertising hasn't stopped , Ad for the "TRD" has just finished on "Austar Sat" , so they can't be real concerned or they'd pull the Ad's immediately ,?
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19-09-2007, 02:21 PM | #35 | |||
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This will help you with the meaning of the word sarcasm. Yes ProDrive/FPV engineers developed this engine but if I had said that plainly then it is possible that a hypersensitive narrow minded V8 zealot might misinterpret it as an anti boss V8 statement and chuck a tanty. Fortunately almost all AFF members are bright enough to realise that events like this, e.g. F6 clutch issue, can have a wider reaching impact than on the specific product involved. So to put it simply so it is not misinterpreted. If the supercharging of an existing engine turns out to be a stuffup then possibly the supercharging of the BOSS 5.4, an engine exclusive to Australia, will no longer be concidered as although it shares some components with the 4.6 & 5.4 supercharged engines found in Mustangs and GT40s it is in fact quite different. Maybe they (FPV) will wait until the next V8 platform, which is a world wide one, before offering said product rather than risk it going boom. That would mean a delay of at least 5 years and possibly cause disappointment within the fan base. |
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19-09-2007, 02:31 PM | #36 | ||
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I heard about this a couple of weeks ago from someone who sells them, apparently one he knew of shot a rod out the side of the block during a drive by a salesperson. They were told to remove all TRD's from showroom floors, but I did see some last week that were still on ther showroom so not sure if that was done or not
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19-09-2007, 02:38 PM | #37 | |||
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19-09-2007, 02:42 PM | #38 | ||
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if Toyota have a failure, they normally learn from the mistake and come back twice as good. I reckon it's just teething problems, or as stated an over zealous salesman.
all makes and models suffer this. A mate of mine knew of several BA GTs that had engine swaps done because of spun crank bearings. Years ago GMH had problems with spun cam bearings. It's one of those things that car manufacturers find out once they release their cars to the public, who 'test' them in some way that was not thought of by the factory, a la ^^ the BA Diff story above. this will be a speed bump in the development road me thinks, but I could be wrong. Won't be the first time. |
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19-09-2007, 02:54 PM | #39 | ||
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Seriously don't they test these new models extensivley before selling them? Are you telling me they never once booted an Aurion in testing to see if a rod would shoot out????
I remember the BA brochure saying how many millions of kilometres of testing that endured but they seemingly didnt pick up the brake squeel, idle problems ect ect.
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19-09-2007, 03:02 PM | #40 | |||
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Toyota quality at work again. :
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19-09-2007, 03:35 PM | #42 | |||
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I think the only other input Prodrive had was in the development of the cars production cells which mimicked that of FPV (looked alot less cluttered in the slideshow presentation pictures compared to what I saw at the FPV open day). |
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19-09-2007, 03:38 PM | #43 | |||
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Hehe, a new slogan for Toyrota:
"TRD... because its not quite a tur-d". Back to selling whitegoods to old farts in bowls hats methinks.
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Bugger to have te issue, but at least Toyate is being upfront, honest and pro active in sorting it out.
That's something to give them credit for.
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19-09-2007, 04:56 PM | #47 | ||
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None of this is surprising. Not to long ago a certain police force within Australia had a problem where an Aurion's DSC system failed during a pursuit and the Aurion promptly made a detour off of the road against the will of the driver. How many Aurion police cars have you seen lately?
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19-09-2007, 04:58 PM | #48 | |||
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I also had some quite interesting discussions with the actual engineers who designed the BOSS a few years ago and one of the things mentioned was how despite there being any engineering issues, marketing have killed and/or changed products before they got released. An example of this was that the original GT-P (2003) was going to be more powerful than the GT but marketing decided to make them the same. When I ordered mine 12/2/2003 I was shown original documentation denoting this. I was told a few weeks later it had changed. Another example was the original F6 had its torque curve lowered so as prevent it from eclipsing the GT. Again this was done by marketing. It was corrected in the interim period between the first release and the re-release after the clutch issue was resolved. Do you remember these events? Were you involved in any discussions or activities at the time? Or are all your opinions just extensions of others in an attempt to achieve peer adulation? |
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19-09-2007, 06:03 PM | #49 | ||
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Looks like Orbital didn't test it thoroughly enough. I'm not surprised it happened though, they did not change a single internal part of the engine even though it was having boost rammed down its throat because TRD wanted to do it on the cheap. :
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19-09-2007, 06:10 PM | #51 | ||
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So at this stage it could be a 1 off complaint, how many Fords have we heard of that themselves within an hour of pre delivery...
Id be waiting to here the outcome before I jump up and down with excitement... I just feel sorry for the poor individuals who buy such a car, they are going to get the poor end of the stick no doubt in the future, as the things certainly wont retain any kind of decent resale as per FPV or HSV.
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19-09-2007, 06:18 PM | #52 | |||
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You'd think if the problem was as widespread as that article indicates they could have found better examples. I mean one person claims they did change the oil, but it wasnt at a toyota dealership and they didnt keep reciepts? No manufacturer is going to warrant an engine gumming up on the basis of that. the next line says... "With the new agreement, consumers need only show reasonable maintenance in terms of oil changes" but that customer cant show anything?!? and having engine repairs at 144,000 miles (232,000km) is not unexpected in any product. comparing that to a major manufacturing error like clutch failure in a typhoon or piston slap in an LS1 is rediculous. Ford never had a recall over EVERY EA-EL DOING A HEAD GASKET/HEAD BEFORE 232,000km, but then again that why toyota has a better name for quality. and just so you know, I do work in a toyota dealership, Im not relying on google like steffo. I cant say much about TRD though as we arent the dealer for them.
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19-09-2007, 06:32 PM | #53 | ||
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Someone told me a tale about when the LS400 was introduced it had a problem with the RHMSL burning out due to high temperatures. The person telling me the story reckoned that Toyota (Lexus) had a fix sorted within a day. Me being cynical I thought that a) Toyota released the car knowing it was only 99% and were going to fix this problem at the first service, b) Toyota must have skimped on the pre-release testing c) Toyota deliberately released the car with a fault (and with an easy fix waiting in the wings) so that they could deliberately crow about how swift they were to rectify faults. The guy telling me the story reckoned that it illustrated Toyota’s quick response time and customer first attitude. We never saw eye to eye on this issue.
If they did manage to sort out the Lexus problem in a day they could be very quick with this fix (although I doubt it). This sucks because it casts doubts over the abilities of the Aussie engineers involved with the car. Q. how many cars have been released and had faults that the general public doesn’t know about? A. heaps of them. Flappist – I’ve heard about various Fords that were ball-tearers in pre-production and had to be de-tuned for either emissions, marketing or fuel quality – Mondeos, Laser Turbos (the original), Ford I6T, etc. Can you please PM with the original kw/torque figure for the GT-P and F6 (do they match up with what the media is quoting for the Orion release)?
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19-09-2007, 07:02 PM | #55 | ||
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OK, anyone who is bagging out Toyotas needs thier head re examined. Toyota for one, is almost the biggest car manufacturer in the world, over yes FORD and GMH. And they wont be by accident, they have a great product.
Go back a decade, the RZ twin turbo Supra, its 2JZ can produce with standard internals over 1000hp, and almost be reliable. The almighty 1.6ltr 4AGE in our 1986-1994 powered SX corollas, unbreakable and not to mention the 4AGZE supercharged versions which came standard with forged pistons. Toyota along with Honda are one if not, biggest producers of the most reliable cars in the world. Ford have alot of issues and GMH, I have an BA XR6T, lets not even start with their probs, a gearbox that was a mistake by Ford to put in (T5's, shame shame), drive shafts that are weak, some of them have rough idle issues (like mine did), and a handbrake that makes a swishing sound as sound as you first use your handbrake. Front brakes that shudder on some (i have new rotors and pads and it still does it), But all in all, the XR6T has potential, when money is spent on strengthing those parts with aftermarket gear. This is a first for Toyota Australia to make a car liek this, you honestly cant expect it to be perfect from word go, if Ford built cars like Toyota in the sense of reliablity, maybe we wouldnt be visiting our service departments to have stupid little issues fixed. And yes, I do have a Toyota, a 1981 corolla with a 4AGE in it, modded up with standard parts from other model Toyotas(Celica diff,corona struts etc) and it will be my drift pig. Im not bagging Fords out completely, but compared to what the Toyota product can offer in reliable as a whole across the range, both Ford and Holden have alot to live up too.
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19-09-2007, 07:12 PM | #56 | |||
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might i dare mention, Lexcen, Avalon and now Aurion... :togo: Perhaps they should stick to what they know best, making dull small cars for the masses! :eclipsee_ |
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19-09-2007, 07:15 PM | #57 | |||
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Just about every post you make tries to defend the decision you made to buy a Typhoon. We don't care which vehicle you bought. Just stop pushing your choice onto everyone else. Move on. |
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19-09-2007, 07:23 PM | #58 | ||
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XRDRIFT - sad but true. Toy Motor Company DO make more reliable and better tested and assembled products than anything that ever comes from Ford Australia or GMH.
But I'd still never buy one. Not just Toyota, any Jap car that is. I'm a patriot at heart and would rather put up with a lesser product that buys jobs for Aussie kids than see my money buying jobs for Japs! Yep, I am racist. At least in this regard. |
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19-09-2007, 07:37 PM | #59 | |||
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19-09-2007, 07:51 PM | #60 | |||
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Where have I mentioned anything about F6 other than an issue with the early ones. This thread is about the TRD recall and now if there might me any affect on possible future FPV models. I have, however, mentioned hypersensitive narrow minded zealots. Ok so that is what you are upset about. Why is it that a small group on here almost always take any post that does not start and finish with "GT IS WONDERFUL" as a personal afront? If you don't like what I say and do not have enough intelligence to rebuke using logic, reason or evidence then put me on your ignore list. I am sure many have. If you are just going to get bitter and twisted and see "anti GT" in any thingand everything I write then I suspect it is you who may need help. |
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