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thats the point re this case re mention of stupid people/drivers.
Why would you use auto pilot on in the burbs let alone with tram lines on the streets you frequent.
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Our favorite automotive 'journalist' has put his two cents into this one as well, similar opinion to mine with the naming of 'autopilot'. |
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Too much focus of the use of a term, IMHO. Anyone in the aviation world knows that autopilots have been around for decades but no one interprets that as meaning there's no requirement for a pilot to monitor, and remain in control of the aircraft, even when the autopilot is engaged.
And how is the term 'autopilot' any different to 'cruise control' in the connotations that term ascribes? We only know the limitations of the term from many years of using a vehicle with that function and a decent description of the system's limitations in the drivers handbook. I'd imagine the handbook for the Tesla describes in detail the limitations of the system. Imagine how many pages of warnings there are in the handbook on that function alone! But, who reads handbooks, right? Let's just make our own assumptions around a term that's used and run with that ![]() A quick search on wiki shows that Tesla's 'autopilot' system is only classified as Level 2 under the SAE six levels (0 to 5) of vehicle automation. Even the wiki page highlights that the driver still needs to be monitoring progress of the vehicle (my bold): Quote:
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I reckon its misleading customers, its similar to the Lorna Jane fiasco and the COVID beating pants.
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So 'full self-driving capability', what does that mean to everyone here? To me that means it drives itself - until you use 'autopilot' in the suburbs and it ices a pedestrian getting off a tram. |
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Too many of these Elon worshipping sheep believe the hype, and think it's fool proof. Despite all the evidence of it literally crashing into solid objects it failed to see. The system is a dud. And so are the owners who got suckered into thinking it's so much more advanced than what it is. |
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They can quote whatever they like in their sales pitch as long as they have a disclaimer. They can put in there that the car can fly, as long as they say the only way for it to fly is to launch the car off a cliff, and that this is a dangerous manoeuvre that could result in death, their lawyers could get them off any litigation brought about by anyone trying it. They have it everywhere that the auto pilot can do all these amazing things, BUT, you still have to be observant and be ready to take control. There was a case I remember hearing when I was a kid where a US salesman told a customer that cruise control virtually drove the Winnebago, the customer set it up on a highway and hopped up to make himself a coffee, subsequently crashing the Winnebago, the guy sued the dealership for misleading him in thinking that the Winnebago would drive itself. Pretty sure this is why the include all these warnings now when you buy things, "may contain nuts", "results may not match what is described", "Tesla’s autopilot mode is designed to enable the car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. However, the function still requires drivers to actively monitor their surroundings and keep their hands on the wheel". |
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DIY Tragic
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Are you suggesting that a Tesla may contain nuts?
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Autopilot is not the same as Full Self Driving. They're two different levels of automation under that suite. It's nowhere near being the same thing as the Lorna Jane thing, IMHO. In this case, I think you're focused on one term and applied it to a suite of capabilities that mean different things.
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