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09-04-2010, 12:01 AM | #31 | |||
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it maybe cheaper to repair instead.
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09-04-2010, 12:50 AM | #32 | ||
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They would be better off making it harder to re-register them rather then to ban them completely.
Have it sent to the RTA inspection rather then Blue slip.
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09-04-2010, 07:23 AM | #33 | |||
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Seem like a lot of people will loose out if this comes into place. I'm sure the insurance companies will band together and fight this.
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09-04-2010, 09:26 AM | #34 | ||
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All that will happen if this happens is this:
Car is assessed as not viable (cost wise or damage wise) to be repaired, Car gets put on a truck and taken to an Auction Yard in another State and put up for Auction. Car is bought in other state, repaired and put back on the road. There is no chance in hell Insurers are going to miss out on the chance of recouping some money (rightfully so too IMO). |
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09-04-2010, 10:58 AM | #35 | ||
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i suppose it'll be good for car breakers. lots more cars for parts (and probably cheaper too, because they can't be sold complete). last night on the abc radio they mentioned it hadn't passed parliment, just the minister going on about 'not apologising' about doing it.
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09-04-2010, 02:23 PM | #36 | ||
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Think you guys are missing the point here
The change is designed to allow the repairer to fix the car at the first incident. This eliminates the black market trade in vehicle ID tags and dodgy repairs The insurers will be forced to repair the cars at the first impact and return them to the original owner - not write them off and get an abnormally high salvage value as it is going to be used to re-birth a stolen car or dodgily repaired and shipped interstate. As a repairer we welcome the change as too many repairable cars have been written off on paper due to ridiculously high salvage values. Apparently 21,000 repairable write offs were registered in NSW last year from 80,000 that were written off by the insurers - who knows where the rest of them went. Right offs for unsafe cars will continue But hopefully write offs to get high salvage values brough about by a black market trade in ID tags or dodgy repairs that are then sold as new in another state, will hopefully come to an end and the cars that can be repaired will be returned to the original owner in a pre-accident condition by a licenced qualified body repairer!!!! |
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09-04-2010, 06:58 PM | #37 | ||
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So there might be less shifty looking characters at Pickles now?
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09-04-2010, 07:06 PM | #38 | ||
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We can only hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The NSW RTA confirmed today that all cars will be noted as Stat write offs on the register nationally - so they will not be registerable anywhere in Australia. Lets hope the other states follow very quickly to get it to a national consensus this year !!! |
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09-04-2010, 09:02 PM | #39 | |||
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/64435/ns...f-legislation/
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09-04-2010, 09:54 PM | #40 | ||
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[QUOTE=LTDHO]Is re-birthing really that bad in NSW? ]
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09-04-2010, 09:56 PM | #41 | |||
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09-04-2010, 11:17 PM | #43 | ||
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you have to provide evidence of all parts you replaced when you get the wov certificate removed, they check all repairs as well,so i dont know what makes anyone think dangerouse dodgy cars are been put on road, thats the whole idea of the repairable write off list ,to stop rebirths,and dodgy repairs,
Maybe in NSW (crime capitol of Australia)they have corruption in the transport authority as ive never seen evidence of what Panelcorp and a few others on here are talking about.the words SELF INTEREST spring to mind
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10-04-2010, 08:47 AM | #44 | |||
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Again you are poorly informed Have a look on the links below to give you an idea of the extent of what I was referring to http://www.ivic.com.au/auctions.htm http://www.ivic.com.au/rebirthed.htm I am only looking to have the good name of Autobody Repairers re-instated to being respected like the other members of the automotive community I have personally seen several vehicles that have been brought to us after an accident that have clearly been repaired poorly previously. We simply refuse to work on them, as I will not be held liable if the vehicle is involved in an accident and found not to be roadworthy Would we like to repair more cars - of course we would - its our income and our industry Would we like to see less cars stolen and less instances of dodgy repairs - of course we would - this is what has tarnished the industry and seen many good repairers grouped in with the bad!!!! |
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10-04-2010, 09:16 AM | #45 | ||
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I've been thinking about this thread before putting my 2 cents worth in.
Someone said they would think that the insurance compaines would band togther to oppose this. I am not so sure about this. It seems to me from what I see when looking at salvage values in most cases salvage on a write off is not that great anyway. So therefore it stands to reason if these cars are now stat write offs there is suddenly a much larger market of 2nd hand parts to use for repairs. Hence making 2nd hand part prices lower, hence making costs of repairs lower. Seems to me insurers will not want to oppose this since its benifit out wieghs the loss.
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10-04-2010, 11:33 AM | #47 | ||
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I've been to plenty of damaged vehicle auctions here in Melbourne.
Some of the cars there that are repairable write offs you'd think should be statutory and vice versa. I've also been surprised at just how high some of the wrecked cars go for. Such as a badly damaged N/A BA XR6 that went for $7000 when you could buy a perfectly good ones from $9,000. Bidding wars are rife through there, but I suspect that some of the highest bids on auctions are not to repair the cars legitimately.
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10-04-2010, 12:41 PM | #48 | ||
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the mta ( motor traders association ) has been trying to to push this legislation through for a while now, and looks like they have succeeded. i agree with your statement panelcorp its good news. it gets rid of alot of the criminal element which inturn makes our performance cars safer to be left while we duck into the shop, and it will get rid of the backyard bob who buys the cars and is clearly way out of his depth in repairing the car to its pre-accident state, then on-sells it to some unsuspecting person on internet auction sites. clearly a good decision
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10-04-2010, 03:02 PM | #49 | ||||
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my XP if it has any panel damge, will most likely have reapairs exceeding the car value -so i assume it will be written off then what ? no body can reapir and reegister it in NSW so another old classic bites the dust..? lucky i live in VIC... |
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10-04-2010, 03:36 PM | #50 | ||
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what if say i bought a Repairable Write off a few weeks ago and all thats wrong with it is that it was keyed all over.... can i register it or would i have to scrap it??
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10-04-2010, 04:25 PM | #51 | ||
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In 2001 my mother crashed her then 93 model mitsu lancer and was at fault and didn't have insurance (silly her). After weighing the costs of whether to repair or not, we decided that it will be just better to sell the car to a wreckers. This i did, selling it to a 'reputable' wreckers in Brisbane.
A year later the police arrive at my front door asking a lot of questions about the car and it turns out that it was involved in a re-bitrh racket.
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10-04-2010, 04:28 PM | #52 | ||
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Finally!
When I was looking for a 2nd hand car about a year ago (ended up with an AU series 2), I reckon I saw at least 10 cars that were batantly cut and shut - terrible workmanship and so obvious. So badly done! The of "owners" who denied the car had been recently re-registered. "Nah bro, I just changed da plates cause dey were faded bro", or "i picked it up in Melbourne cause I'm selling it for my uncle who had to go back to (insert country of origin here)." I just feel so sorry for the average Joe with no knowledge of cars at all... some of these cars were so dangerous! |
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10-04-2010, 05:53 PM | #53 | ||
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Maybe it will slow down re-birthing, and anybody can do a bad fix up and sell on, you,ll never stop that.
What about old cars like 9triton,s XP for example? And the old tradition of getting a crapped out oldie or newer car, and fixing it up for yourself, which is what i want to do. I,m mainly talking about light to heavy panel damage, not structural. After all, a light to heavy panel damage repair isn,t really going to affect the outcome of an accident is it?? However with a structural repaired car, it may be a different story. Its all very nice for those people with money, that can go out and buy a XR6 or whatever, I am "back yard Bob" and i do the best with what i have, so i'll get my XR6 another way. I,ll go and buy a wrecked one, and fix it. Now where do i go for a damaged car now? Can,t the re-birth problems be fixed another way? |
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10-04-2010, 07:47 PM | #54 | ||
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The other side of the coin I guess is the NSW auction houses will suffer. I can see insurance companies trucking their cars intersate to get more profits. I hope as previously stated that once they are written off in NSW they cannot be registerted anywhere in Oz. I can also see it affecting the insurance premiums in NSW. If it means that the insurance company has to fork out for repairs that would cause a smaller net return to them than if they were to write them off I can see people in NSW paying higher premiums. Also in regards to second hand parts being cheaper and lowering repair costs that would only be true if your insurance company fitted second hand parts to damaged vehicles. Yes, some do but you can usually I believe check this in your insurance policy. Personally I would be upset to have second hand parts put on my late model car if new parts were available just so the insurance company could save a buck. As usual there are pros and cons for both here. I think it is a great thing for reputable repairers.Personally I agree it would be wiser for vehicles that have been recorded as written off but repairable to then be subject to a full RTA inspection and the inspections should be completed by the RTA so there can be no "backyard blueslips" written out. The regulations for this inspection should also be very thorough. I don't think anyone who is legitimately repairing a write off would have a problem with it. Just my two cents worth. :
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10-04-2010, 08:22 PM | #55 | |||
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10-04-2010, 10:52 PM | #56 | ||
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The RTA has confirmed that all vehicles will be listed on the Stat write Off register - so no moving them interstate by insurers, dodgy repairers or sellers They will be listed just like a car that has money owing on it is listed on REVS Old cars will be fine as the majority of insurers who have them (shannons) will not let them be written off This is a law to stop illegal activity - not remove classics from the road Salvage values should drop meaning more cars are repaired and returned to the road - classics will always be OK as they normally have agreed value cover and are over insured (I know mine are), because of the rarity of them. |
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10-04-2010, 11:35 PM | #57 | |||
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i certainly take exception to all the raving about back yard bodgy repairs alluded to by several people on here as being the norm,we on this forum restore and repair cars all the time and ive seen lots of photo's as proof of that good work by the back yarders with stunning results,just look at the projects section, then tell me that we are all substandard and putting dangerous turds on the road as Panelcorp and a couple of others keep alluding to. sounds like the stuff of nightmares down in NSW so if it is so dishonest with corrupt inspectors everywhere ,then maybe its understandable whats been changed, as for us back yarders several also alluded to us being a pack of car thieves too,who rebirth cars for a dishonest living,ive never stolen a car in my life GOOD ON YOU
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10-04-2010, 11:39 PM | #58 | |||
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so i buy an FG that had a minor tap in the front new bar cheap, airbag's not so cheap.
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11-04-2010, 03:25 PM | #59 | ||
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The outcome of this law MIGHT be that insurance companies will start their own large panel shops and have like a production line to keep cost down forcing smaller panel shops out of businesses if they cannot afford to update their equipment and get good employees that have some type of work ethics.
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NSW goes it alone on anti-car theft bans
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