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Australians when they like something they welcome it into their heart like the Pokies and VB. Same thing with the Territory and Falcon. When its taken away they ask, "why the hell did you take that away? It was nirvana." Unless you sell them another Falcon or Territory and its called such they're not interested. I guess you could say that Australians don't like being conned or tricked and think that they are all of the time. Frankly I'm one to agree with them, that they are being tricked and conned with the offerings by Toyota and Ford because i think they are, as you say the Avalon was a way to trick them. I mean you can't fit a 4 foot fish tank into the back of any of the modern offerings but I'm sure you could give it a go in the back of a Territory. And you can't tow with an Avalon. Plus the Territory looks the part, it looks like a escalade but even better. Who the hell would want an escalade/ford explorer in replacement of a Territory though. |
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You need to consider the general Public and what Ford need to do to get people to test drive their cars. calling it Endura does not help in my opinion. you do know that a lot of cars are sold based on the infotainment systems now. note but there are many 'enthusiasts' on here that would never consider a KIA because if the badge,
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I'm sure if Ford tried it the motoring journos would jump on them pretty hard about bringing in cars from China. Also Chinese market cars are usually built to a very low grade spec. |
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I have no doubt upon Terris demise IF we aussies got the 5th Gen Explorer (that looks great might I add) at the right price it would have been an easy transition imo.
Anyway it never happens, we being a small RHD market keep missing out from way back and whatever did eventuate ex Euro for eg was priced too high. Our achilles heal now in the current economic climate Manufacturers are consolidating and all then our OTT ADR's, were up a creek without a paddle re Ford product range. Yer I wouldn't rate anything ex China car wise, their attempts to date have been woeful Export wise with all the wealth and knowledge they have resourced incl so many OE westerners there ie many Ford Asia Pac management ones from here. Nothing has transpired to date. Ford in China can't even gain a decent footprint there. I suppose we await the invasion and see.
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Explorer looks sharp, especially the Sport pictured above.
but its big, I sat in one in Vietnam of all places.. look up pictures of the Edge ST it looks great too. but Id like to see something in-between both
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I think it's the height that makes it look smaller than it is. |
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The Ford Endura a nice look piece of kit but the price is overs and the name is not ideal IMO but what you get for your hard earned vs what is out there no wonder they move less than mid 100s unit per month which is next to nothing.
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I hope the palisade and its kia twin will make a case for the Explorer. Definitely would prefer it as a territory replacement than an endura or an Everest.
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They will sell for approximately Half of what an Explorer would be if it came here.
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Spot on. Hopefully Ford will release the Manther for men in 30's and up chasing younger women....
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It would have to be one hell of a car to make them look up from their phones for more than 2 seconds.
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Its proper size SUV and they got presence. |
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Why you gotta say such toxic stuff like that, keep it to yourself. Look whos talking. I was thinking of the 90s explorer/00s escalade when I made that comment. I didn't know about the modern Ford Explorer, it looks nice. |
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maybe that's the real reason why it's not comparable to the better value three-row SUVs that buyers want. A vehicle like Endura is all about projecting a sporty perception, a 2.0 litre diesel doesn't do that. It's just another example of us getting a version that was originally intended for Europe that never worked there either. The diesel Edge has failed in Europe so it's original business plan was flawed, how on earth was it ever expected to work in our tiny market. Ford's market research is so out of date that by the time vehicles arrive, the market has already moved on, new Escape and Puma are interesting but again, other manufacturers already have similar products out years in front and covering the segments. Kudos to Ford for trying new things but it's like squeezing diamonds to get products that we take for granted from other manufacturers, maybe that's the tell tale of problems with Ford in Europe, they don't seem to match up well with buyer expectations there either. Last edited by jpd80; 10-09-2020 at 07:29 AM. |
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Try putting a baby seat and two adults in the back seat of an Escape, and then do it in an Endura / Edge. |
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There is a Cadillac Escalade in Rockhampton. Its big !
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I spent last weekend at West beach caravan park and noticed a couple of Endura's there, on the Sunday evening whilst sitting around the gas fire with a bunch of randoms i discovered one of them belonged to a couple and got talking about it as they are a good looking piece of kit.
One of the other people said they'd looked at them but thought they were poor value for money and bought a top of the range Sorento GT Line instead for the same coin as the ST Line, i asked if they needed the extra seats and they said no, but if your paying that kind of money why wouldnt you get them just incase not to mention at resale. Fair points i thought so i did some googling and when you consider you get all the fruit, 2 more seats and the 7yr warranty for 10k less than Endura Titanium d.a. pricing, unless you were a brand snob, its a no brainer. |
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but very few have got their head around looking for an SUV than handles well. I see above example where Everest is mentioned, SUV's are the broadest segment now but some people lump it all into one..
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I can think of a few but never offered here for whatever build/production/management/product planning/NFI reasons. Hipo petrol V6 would have made it more powerful and faster than Kluger, CX-9, Kia and Hyundai. Seven seat version only a China market model. Cannot tow as much as a Territory so where do Terry owners update to? Everest considerably more expensive than what Terry buyers paid, it's not as nice as an SZ and the Everest interior is a Ranger interior. Terry dynamics crap on an Everest and maybe slightly better than an Endura except Terry is RWD biased. And everything else is cheaper or offers more for the same coin... |
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The point I was making is that there's no compelling case for buyers to look at Endura and 100 sales last month seems to confirms that and most of those went to Ford's fleet.... Here's a test for you, try putting a baby seat and two adults in the second row of an Everest or a Ranger, I bet there's no more hip and shoulder room in either of them than an Escape Mid-sized vehicles with the room of a compact,........... Last edited by jpd80; 10-09-2020 at 07:12 PM. |
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This as an olive branch, I fell in love with the 2009 Edge we hired in California.
We had two teenage boys in the back and there was plenty of room between them so I can understand why anyone with a car seat would pick Endura over an Escape. And two car seats would make it doubly so.... |
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Might be some truth to the rumours, as a longer wheelbase 7 seater Escape is apparently in development.
Makes more sense than the Endura, having 7 seats and a much better choice of engines. https://www.caradvice.com.au/882953/...opment-report/ |
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What would have gone down better here was tge three row Edge but that is China only and nit RHD. |
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