P Platers could soon be allowed to drive turbo-charged cars.

[kyro_02]

whats to stop a P Plater from modifying a car that is exempt from the list of turbo charged cars?

power to weight ratio will be useless unless they dyno a P platers car??

[XR6Naranja]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

whats to stop a P Plater from modifying a car that is exempt from the list of turbo charged cars?

power to weight ratio will be useless unless they dyno a P platers car??

Even then, if I'm correct, to dyno a car makes wear and tear on a car, so who's responsible if something breaks that usually wouldn't break when the car is driven as a daily driver and not thrashed and such.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Jack960

Fantastic, I'm on my P's for 3 years and my final year they think about this, ripped off lol.

Yeah the XR6 N/A is borderline on the the power to weight ratio. That and the Supra n/a are the most powerful stock p plater cars.

The article stipulates a limit of 130kW/tonne.

BA XR6 N/A = 182kW / 1664kgs = 109.3kW/tonne.
BF XR6 N/A = 190kW / 1707kgs = 111.3kW/tonne.
FG XR6 N/A = 195kW / 1684kgs = 115.8kW/tonne.
FG XT Ecoboost = 179kW / 1648kgs = 108.6kW/tonne.
FG XR6 Turbo = 270kW / 1733kgs = 155.8kW/tonne.
1994 Supra N/A = 164kW / 1460kgs = 112.3kW/tonne.
Ralliart Magna = 180kW / 1470kgs = 122.4kW/tonne.

[BAXR8_Ute]

Haha the price of magnas might go up if this comes in! Every p plater will be trying to get as close to that 130kw mark as possible!

[Rapid05xr6]

i just wish they would change the policy on v8's, i am looking for an 80's f truck and being on my p's makes it hard because it has to be a 6, however doing some research the ute i currently have is a 05 xr6 roughly 1.6tonne, it has 182kw, a 351 v8 only has 162 and in a f truck would be well over 2 tonne (still i would only go for a 302 if i could find one), if they are worried about "high performance" engines, why can i drive the falcon? it has more than enough power to come unstuck very quickly, yet i am banned from driving an old in comparison slow v8, but i suppose a p plater in a v8 means certain death so i'm glad i've only got a year and a half to go

[BEAST260]

if u need the F'y for work u can get an exception. also i think u might be able to get one for driving that car anyway seen as the power to weight would be pretty low anyway. give the RTA a call and find out man.

[AndyXR6T]

Just creating more loop holes! I predict I rise in young driver fatalities

[Bucknaked]

Power to weight is a much better option that a ban on V8's or Turbo's. Power to weight works well for motorcycles. Release a list of whats legal and whats not, and then at least if you want a turbo or V8, then you know the options of vehicles available to you.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

whats to stop a P Plater from modifying a car that is exempt from the list of turbo charged cars?

power to weight ratio will be useless unless they dyno a P platers car??

No power to weight ratio in QLD.

How about this for an idea. If a P plater mods his ecoboost and drives like an idiot street racing etc. then he looses his license and the car is confiscated......

The original idea behind the turbo/V8 ban was to prevent the small minority of P platers who tend to do stupid things in cars and suffer from delusions of grandeur with regard to their driving skill from having access to equipment that was beyond their capability to control.

Of course a percentage of this group will waste huge amounts of money and exploit any loophole possible in a vain attempt thumb their noses the system and drive a vehicle that they probably should not.

It is not so much about driving skill as mental maturity which is quite self evident after even the shallowest of investigations.

[Jack960]

When I bought my XR6 the power to weight ratio was something like 115 of 120kw/tonne.
They can't really do anything about p platers moding there cars, if they pulled over every one with an exhaust they would be pretty busy.
I've been pulled over for random breath checks nd booze busses and they don't seem to care about my mods, it makes 170rwkw and its pretty loud. Most of them just compliment the car and send me on my way.

[MWTB]

Originally Posted by Nic85

The article stipulates a limit of 130kW/tonne.

BA XR6 N/A = 182kW / 1664kgs = 109.3kW/tonne.
BF XR6 N/A = 190kW / 1707kgs = 111.3kW/tonne

Holy **** is the weight difference really that much between the two?

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by MWTB

Holy **** is the weight difference really that much between the two?

Those are figures from carsales, which is in turn what redbook will have, which would have come from Ford Australia's website at the time. So they should be accurate.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by MWTB

Holy **** is the weight difference really that much between the two?

It definately wouldn't be that much. There's very little difference between them.


At the end of the day the turbo/V8 ban or power to weight ban will make f all difference to the road toll of P platers anyway, they can just as easily kill themselves in a Corolla or a WRX for example.

Its the inexperience thats the problem, not the cars they drive, and since proper driver education would cost the government money its easy to see which way they prefer. Better to rake in revenue in fines than spend money on driver training.

[XR6Naranja]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It definately wouldn't be that much. There's very little difference between them.


At the end of the day the turbo/V8 ban or power to weight ban will make f all difference to the road toll of P platers anyway, they can just as easily kill themselves in a Corolla or a WRX for example.

Its the inexperience thats the problem, not the cars they drive, and since proper driver education would cost the government money its easy to see which way they prefer. Better to rake in revenue in fines than spend money on driver training.

I had no professional driving, but luckily I had 2 brothers who had learned from all their own mistakes to teach me what to do in situations, it's a shame others can't have this and crash their car or worse.

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by BAXR8_Ute

I reckon go with the power to weight ratio, same as NSW does with novice rider motor bikes. But would that then include some hi power n/a vehicles?

Ofcourse it would but nothing wrong with that , 50 horsepower brains and 500 horsepower cars have never and will never mix succesfully .

[XR6T0Y]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Its the inexperience thats the problem, not the cars they drive, and since proper driver education would cost the government money its easy to see which way they prefer. Better to rake in revenue in fines than spend money on driver training.

Yeah this is 100% true. I got taught by my parents (who in themselves had bad habits, that I then picked up). No 'professional' teachings were given, but I still passed and got my P's back in 2010(?).
Since then (those who have seen the biuld thread), I wrote off my old El, because someone was impatient and turned off a highway infront of me.
Should I have been shown, it would have made more sense in that (if you were there you would have known what I mean) to slow down to something like 5 under. But as they say, you learn from your mistakes.

As a few have said, the car makes no difference, it's the experiance, which I still have none of and am not afraid to say it

[EDManual]

Its only for NEW models that are being produced. Doesnt include OLD cars, as they are not going to have the new manuafacture plates that state the Power to weight ratio.
So what does that mean? I think you can drive nearly any NA powerful car, and no turbo cars apart from BRAND NEW ONES that have the special plate.

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by Nic85

The article stipulates a limit of 130kW/tonne.

BA XR6 N/A = 182kW / 1664kgs = 109.3kW/tonne.
BF XR6 N/A = 190kW / 1707kgs = 111.3kW/tonne.
FG XR6 N/A = 195kW / 1684kgs = 115.8kW/tonne.
FG XT Ecoboost = 179kW / 1648kgs = 108.6kW/tonne.
FG XR6 Turbo = 270kW / 1733kgs = 155.8kW/tonne.
1994 Supra N/A = 164kW / 1460kgs = 112.3kW/tonne.
Ralliart Magna = 180kW / 1470kgs = 122.4kW/tonne.

Or if you want a car that doesn't look like a dogs breakfast i would pick the
Mk5 Golf R32 184kw / 1530kgs = 120.26kw/tonne

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

they can just as easily kill themselves in a Corolla or a WRX for example.

Yeah, it will just happen a hell of a lot faster in a WRX.

[R1XSTA]

I've read this article over and over a few times. It doesn't actually state "NEW CARS" only, all it merely states is that you need to have this new sticker which states the P2W of your car.

So, for any car (new or old) you could go into the dealership (ie ford) and ask them to print the sticker with the necessary details?

Mainly this section

Cars with a power-to-mass ratio (PMR) of less than 130 kilowatts per tonne can now be driven by P-platers, if the manufacturer replaces the standard build plate with one stating the car's PMR falls beneath the threshold.

With that being said, what is the PMR of a BA XR6T

[flappist]

Originally Posted by R1XSTA

I've read this article over and over a few times. It doesn't actually state "NEW CARS" only, all it merely states is that you need to have this new sticker which states the P2W of your car.

So, for any car (new or old) you could go into the dealership (ie ford) and ask them to print the sticker with the necessary details?

Mainly this section

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With that being said, what is the PMR of a BA XR6T

Too much (but only just)....

Actually after reading the article it would not matter even if it was under 130kw/T, the build plate must be fitted by the manufacturer and I am VERY sure Ford have no interest in retro fitting plates to old cars for fear of endangering the exemption that allows them to sell NEW cars.

Of course there will be the smart ***** who will mod an EB4 but the solution is simple, remove the tag for that car and put its VIN on a list similar to the write off list ensuring that no P plater can ever drive it and then endorse their license to restrict them to P plate rules for 5 years from that time even when they get their open license which means they cannot drive their own car anymore (well for 5 years anyway).

Every time they get caught they get fined, the car listed and another 5 years added and if they drive a listed car or one that is just banned then they are unlicensed and cop that one as well.

[brydie76]

Power to weight is the way to go. I still find it ridiculous that a p player in NSW can drive a twin Turbo Diesel Audi but needs an exemption for a Polo TSI...

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by lockieoc

Or if you want a car that doesn't look like a dogs breakfast i would pick the
Mk5 Golf R32 184kw / 1530kgs = 120.26kw/tonne

Bit of a difference in price. Ralliart Magna = $10k. MK V Golf R32 = $30k.

Then there's the cost of all the things that will break on the Golf. Have you owned an older VW? Because I have. Window regulator on a 2002 VW Beetle = $550 + labour. And they fail, as does almost everything else on the old VW's.

[Rockape]

Wow we had none of this crap when i was on P's and i lived

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Bit of a difference in price. Ralliart Magna = $10k. MK V Golf R32 = $30k.

Then there's the cost of all the things that will break on the Golf. Have you owned an older VW? Because I have. Window regulator on a 2002 VW Beetle = $550 + labour. And they fail, as does almost everything else on the old VW's.

You owned a New Beetle

Please tell me it was for a wife or GF, and not yours.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You owned a New Beetle

Please tell me it was for a wife or GF, and not yours.

Was my sisters. What can I say? I'm a nice brother.

[mitsas17]

Originally Posted by Jack960

Fantastic, I'm on my P's for 3 years and my final year they think about this, ripped off lol.

Yeah the XR6 N/A is borderline on the the power to weight ratio. That and the Supra n/a are the most powerful stock p plater cars.

honda s2000 are one of the fastest p plate cars i think..

[nipper575]

S2000 is a quick car period, especially for a NA 4 banger.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by nipper575

S2000 is a quick car period, especially for a NA 4 banger.

Unless its under 6000 RPM, then a Camry complete with cardigan wearer and bowlers hat on the parcel shelf will blow the doors off you.

The problem with those things is that if you drive it like its meant to be driven, by 100,000km its ****ing oil out from everywhere and will soon blow a head gasket.

The even bigger problem is if you're a fat bastard, tall ***** or both, you won't be able to drive it, its too small.

Even worse problem if its a JDM version, they're designed for a 55kg Asian driver.

The amount of times we had those things come in with problems was insane when I was at Honda.

But none the less, I liked them.

[Bunyip04]

TBH... I don't understand the fuss... L platers, P platers, just on opens etc etc, can drive whatever they like in the NT and it's never been a cause for concern...
Just my 2 bob's..