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16-01-2008, 04:40 PM | #31 | |||
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16-01-2008, 04:52 PM | #32 | ||
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But is this a demotion for him, I cant imagine Ford Australia being as critical as Canada?
And by the sounds of it Gorman is going to Rio Tinto/BHP
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16-01-2008, 04:57 PM | #33 | ||
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he looks like a nice guy i bet he is a great father as well but the thing i am mainly concerned about is his skill in making some nice falcons for the future so when those kids are old enough to put the pedal to the metal they have a sweet ride which not only has the looks to let others know that they mean business but also the grunt to get past a coal truck or maybe a slower car that should be in the slow lane when they are towing a large van up the north coast on holiday.
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16-01-2008, 04:59 PM | #34 | |||
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16-01-2008, 05:14 PM | #35 | ||
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Here's hoping he has some passion for Aussie Fords, I'm guessing he's just another bean counter.
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16-01-2008, 05:21 PM | #38 | |||
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16-01-2008, 05:36 PM | #39 | ||||
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16-01-2008, 05:55 PM | #40 | |||
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16-01-2008, 06:12 PM | #41 | ||
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Good riddance, did not like him since the day I saw him speak at the territory launch. Sugar coated everything and waffled on like a marketing manager. Let's hope the new guy can turn the sales figures around from the lowest they have been in 80years!!
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16-01-2008, 06:51 PM | #42 | |||
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16-01-2008, 07:30 PM | #43 | ||
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He was heavily involved in the V6 Duratec development, so that's good news as they'll want to ensure that replacement of the I6 is done properly. If they stuff that one up, Falcon may well be stuffed!
I hope he squeezes stacks out of it, from what we know of the V6, it'll need some very good tweaks to match the I6 torque. But heck, I'd much rather eat my words if the V6 turns out to be one absolute cracker of an engine. Here's hoping. All the best to him, may he bring prosperity to the market, that we all benefit. GK
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16-01-2008, 08:36 PM | #44 | ||
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I suspect that Ford HQ sees more then a couple of things in the appointment of Bill Osborne.
The V6 development into the Aus Falcon will be something that they will wish to see happen as smoothly as possible (especially in light of sales trends, and the amount of investment they have put into the region) The next couple of years sees Ford HQ at another turning point. With the all new Falcon replacement, and the replacement in the US of the Mustang, and Ford / Lincoln large car platforms within the next five years. There is a lot of work needing to be done in a relatively short timeframe. There are a few new technologies, like Ecoboost, starting to become real production possibilities. It is possible that they may be looking at providing the Ecoboost donks for our Falcons. The Ecoboost looks like it will hit the streets before the end of next year. The Ecoboost is direct injection (fuel injected straight into the cylinder rather then intake runners) and designed to work in conjunction with a turbo(s). The 2009 Lincoln MKS looks set to be launched with a 3.5l twin turbo charged V6(esimated 340hp, & over 340ft lb). |
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16-01-2008, 09:44 PM | #45 | ||
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Yep, i think this could show that we are becomeing more significant to Ford as a global brand, who knows...
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16-01-2008, 10:06 PM | #46 | |||
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16-01-2008, 10:37 PM | #47 | ||
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Well, to me it seems a positive move.
Bill Osborne has some very good experience that is relative to us! * Worked on the upcoming V6 * Boss of Ford Canada, the only place Ford Nth America still makes RWD * Boss of Ford Canada, used to leading a major subsidiary. * He has an engineering background. He seems to be the ideal candidate, a motivated, engineering person with the relevant experience! It seems pretty clear that Ford under Allan Mullaly is making great strides and looking at GM & GMH and saying, "Well, if they can do it, why cant we? Why don't we do it better too!" The move is on inside Ford to reduce vehicle weight, increase technology, improve performance and reduce emissions. If you look at all their recent press releases, this is where Ford are focussing. So, with that in mind. Even if Ford do end up creating a World Car platform (with Ford Aus doing a large part of the engineering), don't worry that it will end up bloated. It won't. We will end up with a better Falcon, for less. Oh, and if Osborne hasn't already driven a Falcon yet. Compared to the Crown Vics he is used to, it will be an amazing revelation. NB Geoff Polites was probably the best person to have led Ford Aus to date. Nothing to say that Bill won't be better...
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16-01-2008, 10:41 PM | #48 | |||
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16-01-2008, 11:10 PM | #49 | |||||
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Canada produces the DOA Crown Victoria and some of Ford's engine capacity. This guy's experience is perfect to come here as we transition to the Global Duratec/EcoBoost V6 engines and the new Hurricane V8's And contrary to what you believe, engineering the base product is FAR more important that just running the plants that build the end product. Let's not forget that both the current Fiesta sedan for the sub-continent, the current Focus Sedan, Next Fiesta and Ranger replacement all were developed or engineered here to some extent or another yet aren't manufactured here. We do more than just build Falcons and Territories. Way back to the late 70's we also styled the original 323/Laser twins (Wayne Draper did the Mazda version here too) and FoA Design and Engineering have been playing well above their weight for many years. It's only the sales and marketing side of the company that sucks here. Quote:
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This is like a breath of fresh air, with common sense finally breaking out at Ford after years of stupidity. this is the best utilization of resources we could possibly hope for and the new US CAFE standard has even helped our case with Explorer now looking to go unibody from a separate body/chassis. So the next generation 2013 Falcon/Territory platform suddenly becomes vitally significant for Ford if you allow for engineering it for LHD. Mustang can be built on a SWB version of the Falcon platform (does this make Falcon mid-wheelbase?) Crown Victoria built on LWB platform and spawning a renewed Fairlane (probably an imported Crown Vic rebadged but not your granddads Panther platform Crown Vic, that's for sure) AWD Territory version of the platform forms the basis of next gen US unibody Explorer. All these cars potentially share the same range of direct-injection & EcoBoost V6's and Hurricane V8's in various forms and specs, plus the wildcard diesel option as long as Gorman didn't shitcan it for Territory before he left. So off the one platform you could get; Mustang V6 Mustang V8 Falcon V6 Falcon V6T Falcon V8 Crown Victoria V6 Crown Victoria V8 Fairlane V6 Fairlane V8 Territory V6 Territory V6T Explorer V6 Explorer V6T or V8 plus any Diesel models plus many potential mix and match derivatives. Perhaps something like a Shelby Mustang GT500KR driveline in your next Falcon GTHO?
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16-01-2008, 11:19 PM | #50 | ||
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I hope you are right JR.
The guy looks to have some good experience in engineering and development with a splash of business. I hope he is as good as his CV says so. I trust Mr Mullaly, he seems to have put his foot down to turn Ford around. FoA really need someone with a clue, hopefully Mr Osborne is the man!!
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16-01-2008, 11:20 PM | #51 | ||
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and also Holdens over here in Adelaide have appointed a new boss it is in this weeks local news paper
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16-01-2008, 11:29 PM | #52 | ||
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What's not to like about an an engineer who has looked after the F-Trucks!
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16-01-2008, 11:44 PM | #53 | ||
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Also, with Bob Lutz announcing the death of Monaro and the likely importation of a RHD Camaro a factory RHD Mustang to compete would be very appropriate
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17-01-2008, 03:27 AM | #54 | ||
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He needs to bring the F series back to Oz. I have driven the 6.4L V8 twin turbo F350, and its quieter than the 7.3, sounds like a petrol engine, no turbo lag, and instant torque like you would never believe - but you would expect that with nearly 900Nm. It puts the old 7.3 and 6.0 diesels to shame. Also F150 would do well there, especially with new 4.4L V8 diesel coming out.
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17-01-2008, 09:43 AM | #55 | |||
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i agree osbourne should be a really good addition to the team, i don't reckon he could do any worse that tommy
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17-01-2008, 09:44 AM | #56 | |||
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There are apparently no RHD plans for the new 2009 F-truck previewed at the NAIAS in LA so it looks like it's back to the low volume niche importers for the foreseeable future. This is another US led decision I don't understand. I know our F-series volumes were minuscule by world standards, but surely it doesn't cost that much money in overall terms to engineer the F-truck for RHD markets? Ford had no trouble selling all the F-trucks it could get its hands on, and you've only got to look at the resale on them to know how they're valued by potential owners.
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17-01-2008, 02:52 PM | #58 | ||
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So if they will make the crown vic and falcon off the same platform will the vic be narrower or will the falcon be wider.I know the wheel base can be altered on a platform, but what about the track?
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17-01-2008, 04:18 PM | #59 | |||
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18-01-2008, 12:43 AM | #60 | |||
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Ford US do not have track figures on the web (that I could find) but the front shoulder room the CV is 25mm more, and rear is 30mm more. This is near enough to the same size in my books. Although the exterior dimentions are 5-10 times this difference |
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