What will be FPV/HSV response to new Nissan GT-R

[Yaw]

Simple answer is they have no need to respond anymore becuase touring car racing turned into group c racing, then turned into group a racing, opening it to international racing, holden and ford were getting a flogging so they made the super v8 series and effectivily closed the door on anything other than Ford or Holden. I personally would love to see it go back to group A racing where the cars they raced were available for sale to the general public, not cars that just look like a flacon or a commodore that we could never actually buy or own.

[FPV8U]

Mmm New GT-R will be very nice im sure, but i would guess it's price and what the buyers it will be aimed at wouldn't really consider a FPV/HSV anyway.

As said the GT-R's have always been in a league of their own, this time will be no different.

[sprjenkins]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Horses for courses, I dare say HSV and FPV couldnt give a toss about Skylines of any era let alone new ones.

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

[fordAU]

Originally Posted by sprjenkins

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

They changed the rules because the last thing Aussie V8 lovers wanted to see were poxy riceburners blurting around the track, we wan't to see home grown race cars, not Jap pocket rockets.

Don't know if the above is true but it sounds reasonable

[Schlimmeh]

To me Nissan is simply Datsun - as Ted Bullpit used to say - "bloody dim sims on wheels"!!

[sprjenkins]

Originally Posted by fordAU

They changed the rules because the last thing Aussie V8 lovers wanted to see were poxy riceburners blurting around the track, we wan't to see home grown race cars, not Jap pocket rockets.

Don't know if the above is true but it sounds reasonable

Sure mate I agree 100%, it had absolutly nothing to do with the fact that they were getting their butts kicked, nothing at all

[Ives]

The GT-Rs are in a different caliber, you simply just cant compare them to FPVs or HSVs.

Originally Posted by Schlimmeh

To me Nissan is simply Datsun - as Ted Bullpit used to say - "bloody dim sims on wheels"!!

Hmmm... Ted Bullpit is a shallow-minded guy.

[needaXYGT]

Holden need to release a GTS-R with LS7 and Ford need a supercharged Boss 5.4

i dont see that happening!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by sprjenkins

HAHA rotflmao, yeah right and they didn't change the touring car regulations either. Funniest thing I've heard all year.

I think your sarcasm has missed the point mate.....

Your comment has nothing to do with "today" and participating in the market segment that FPV & HSV do (eg: Family sized performance cars which are based on home grown product).

Do FPV and HSV respond to the latest M3, or the latest A6, or the latest AMG, or the latest A4, or the latest...............................etc, etc, etc ?

FPV & HSV need to focus on providing a great experience for the customer in vehicle purchase, after sales service, and vehicle dynamics / performance in their intended class. If they do that and get the product to be the best they can (more work to do) using the platform they have then they will be doing a good job.

The GTR is a different market segment - compare it to the cars above.

[Ryan]

Would HSV/FPV really gain anything from competing against the new GTR?

Personally the only Skyline I would own, is the old R31. Might not be the best looking Skyline, but atleast 17 year old douchebags, don't talk them up like no tomorrow.

Sick of hearing. "OMG TEH GTRS BEAT TEH V8S AT BATHURST V8S R TEH SUX OMGWTFBBQ!!!!"

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

People need to remember the new GTR is not at all a relation to the Skyline, it is a car on its own, specially built. It will be a ripper of a car (but still look like crap), competing against one of Germany's finest, the 911 Turbo. Ford and Holden i am sorry to say couldn't build anything close to this, they'd run out of money before it happened. They struggle to make decent family cars let alone sports cars

You are correct in saying the GTR will be an awesome car,like everyone is saying posibly better than the 911 turb.

Just out of curiosity though I was wondering why you are on a ford forum? I dont think iv ever heard you say one positive thing about the ford mo co,im not having a dig,just curious?

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

You are correct in saying the GTR will be an awesome car,like everyone is saying posibly better than the 911 turb.

Just out of curiosity though I was wondering why you are on a ford forum? I dont think iv ever heard you say one positive thing about the ford mo co,im not having a dig,just curious?

I am a Ford fan through and through but very critical, not one eyed, I appreciate other makes.

I have made many comments about FoMoCo that can be taken as very critical but why not? If they're not up to scratch they need to know, they need to understand why I wouldn't fork out the $$ for one of their products until things improve. I mean if I like others kept quiet and let things go the way they are, I mean they'd just keep building low quality vehicles. I would give anything to see Ford up the top competing with the best. I just don't think they're up to the task. I am not expert but I am still able to voice my disgust with the current range of products, as I have said many times they have on paper a fantastic range of cars, it just hasn't been executed right.

I hope they do get it right eventually, they just have to listen to the customer.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

I am a Ford fan through and through but very critical, not one eyed, I appreciate other makes.

I have made many comments about FoMoCo that can be taken as very critical but why not? If they're not up to scratch they need to know, they need to understand why I wouldn't fork out the $$ for one of their products until things improve. I mean if I like others kept quiet and let things go the way they are, I mean they'd just keep building low quality vehicles. I would give anything to see Ford up the top competing with the best. I just don't think they're up to the task. I am not expert but I am still able to voice my disgust with the current range of products, as I have said many times they have on paper a fantastic range of cars, it just hasn't been executed right.

I hope they do get it right eventually, they just have to listen to the customer.

Was just curious,but i dont think rubbishing fords on here is going to get you anywhere as far voiceing your complaints to ford mo co,maybe you should voice your opinions to ford themselves,it would probly get you further.

I dont realy think you could call them low quality vehicles, ford and holden offer better bang for bucks cars than anywhere in the world.

When you say competing with the best, who are you refering to? bmw,audi,mercedes? Ford australia are all about making affordable family cars and if they were competing with the cars i just mentioned they wouldnt be what they uniquely are.

I find it hard to believe you are ford through and through,if you are disgusted with there current range, the BA,BF series are arguably the best cars ford have ever made,wheels car of the year for the BA,f6 typhoon best australian performance car.It wouldnt matter what ford did some people would never be happy, compare the last 5 years to the hell that was the AU.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I dont realy think you could call them low quality vehicles, ford and holden offer better bang for bucks cars than anywhere in the world.

No... ford and holden offer better bang for your bucks large 4 door family sedans than anywhere in the world.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

No... ford and holden offer better bang for your bucks large 4 door family sedans than anywhere in the world.

Geez im sorry mate, I thought you might have got the jist........ :

[XD427]

I recently went for a drive in an R32 GTR with minor mods and had ben in a R33 GTR and to tell you the truth i wasnt impressed at all, Id heard they were killers and could pretty much distroy any HSV FPV and around the track im sure they probably would being 4wd and lighter vehicles but in a straight line i honestly feel my mildy moded Ba XR8 would disgrace them from standing start to 200 even at 100km/hr roll ons they dont have the pull i expected they would and for vehicles that cost 34,000 (R32) and 52,000 (R33) maybe it was the drivers ???

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by XD427

I recently went for a drive in an R32 GTR with minor mods and had ben in a R33 GTR and to tell you the truth i wasnt impressed at all, Id heard they were killers and could pretty much distroy any HSV FPV and around the track im sure they probably would being 4wd and lighter vehicles but in a straight line i honestly feel my mildy moded Ba XR8 would disgrace them from standing start to 200 even at 100km/hr roll ons they dont have the pull i expected they would and for vehicles that cost 34,000 (R32) and 52,000 (R33) maybe it was the drivers ???

I don't think they were ever really known for their drag racing abilities, even though from factory they were still quick down the 1/4 mile.

[sexr6tasy]

Personally i reckon the v8 super cars suck! A bit more variety wouldn't go astray.

Originally Posted by Ryan

I don't think they were ever really known for their drag racing abilities, even though from factory they were still quick down the 1/4 mile.

They do low 13's, the R32 GTR's got into the very high 12's stock I think, but they were are be lighter to.

[freaky]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

I find it hard to believe you are ford through and through,if you are disgusted with there current range, the BA,BF series are arguably the best cars ford have ever made,wheels car of the year for the BA,f6 typhoon best australian performance car.It wouldnt matter what ford did some people would never be happy, compare the last 5 years to the hell that was the AU.

I'll share my feedback on this. Having driven an F6 for the last year, it certainly is a great performance car, but not without its problems. In many areas I feel my Vy Berlina I drove for 4 years prior to the F6 was better put together. Some may call me crazy for thinking this.

I sit on the fence. I am not a die hard Holden or Ford fan. The biggest area of dissapointment I have experienced with owning the F6 is the aftercare and service. I have lost confidence in this regard to have issues rectified by multiple dealers. I have to pay out of my own pocket to get things fixed that should be covered under warranty.

I have not let this slide, I have constructively emailed Ford and FPV stating my disapointment. I will not in the forseable future purchase another Ford/FPV until the dealer service and aftercare changes dramatically. I don't care how good their product is. I expect issues to arise with cars, it's how I am loooked after that counts. And I feel Ford has let me down.

I found Holden to be better during my 4 year period with the Berlina, and I think HSV are heading in the right direction with the new CEO and his comments with customer care etc.

Just my 2 bobs.

[RS500]

Originally Posted by XD427

I recently went for a drive in an R32 GTR with minor mods and had ben in a R33 GTR and to tell you the truth i wasnt impressed at all, Id heard they were killers and could pretty much distroy any HSV FPV and around the track im sure they probably would being 4wd and lighter vehicles but in a straight line i honestly feel my mildy moded Ba XR8 would disgrace them from standing start to 200 even at 100km/hr roll ons they dont have the pull i expected they would and for vehicles that cost 34,000 (R32) and 52,000 (R33) maybe it was the drivers ???

don't know where your getting those prices from, Standard 32 GTRs are around the 15 - 25K and 33 GTR's are 25 - 35K. Now that the market has been flooded with imports (ask anyone trying to sell one privately)

what year is your XR8 as you comparing it to a 89-94 32GTR. there are plenty of GTR's that are "killers". The Kelly boys drive my mates 32GTR around PI and were faster than the current V8's. Its set up for track work and can still do a low 10 pass (650hp at wheels helps). It all comes down to what your loking for and how its set up

the fact that they are 202KW's (or close enough) standard and are able to lap faster than most "performance cars" tends to support their strengths.

as it has been said a few times the GTR isn't aimed at the same market as the FPV's/HSV's. They will continue to make "moderately priced" performance luxuary vehicles not top line performance vehicles.

then again i'm baised as i drive a skyline

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by RS500

the fact that they are 202KW's (or close enough) standard and are able to lap faster than most "performance cars" tends to support their strengths.

shouldn't it be "202kw"....




...i thought they had more but were rated at 202kw because opf the silly JDM rule...?

[volcom20]

Ford and Holden, plain and simpley, haven't got a chance...

[RS500]

yeah they were at the 202Kw due to the JDM rule, luck for tuning companies

all the GTR's and late model GTT's so far have been rated at the 202Kw and are still able to lap faster at the nurburgring than most porsches

[EB 2 XR8]

why is their a thread like this? They have never repsonded in the past ur not gunna see a Ford Falcon FPV V8 Twin Turbo which can beat rice.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by RS500

yeah they were at the 202Kw due to the JDM rule, luck for tuning companies

all the GTR's and late model GTT's so far have been rated at the 202Kw and are still able to lap faster at the nurburgring than most porsches

Thats because they Don't have only 202kw, they simply state that to comply, its been proven that they actually have more KW at the wheels, then the quoted 202kw at the fly, which is of course impossible

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Was just curious,but i dont think rubbishing fords on here is going to get you anywhere as far voiceing your complaints to ford mo co,maybe you should voice your opinions to ford themselves,it would probly get you further.

To be honest I agree on that but then there is only so many times you can talk to a brick wall. I think Australia need a lemon law in place, maybe then we'd get something done.

I dont realy think you could call them low quality vehicles, ford and holden offer better bang for bucks cars than anywhere in the world.

This is true to an extent, they do offer great value for money, BUT I would have thought after making cars for a long time they could you know make the doors align, paint underneath them, possibly keep the interior together, etc, etc. Mercedes had a shocking run of quality recently but they actually did something about it and now they're back up there.

When you say competing with the best, who are you refering to? bmw,audi,mercedes? Ford australia are all about making affordable family cars and if they were competing with the cars i just mentioned they wouldnt be what they uniquely are.

Why can't they make a solid car? That's what I am trying to get at. How hard is it to improve the quality? Hyundai have even taken steps to improve and it has shown, they have rave reviews a lot of the time. I know they won't do anything innovative, they make cars that's it. All the new tech i expect only to see from Mercedes, BMW, Lexus or Audi.

I find it hard to believe you are ford through and through,if you are disgusted with there current range, the BA,BF series are arguably the best cars ford have ever made,wheels car of the year for the BA,f6 typhoon best australian performance car.It wouldnt matter what ford did some people would never be happy, compare the last 5 years to the hell that was the AU.

I don't expect you to believe me, after all we are discussing this via the net, an anonymous (to some extent) medium. I could be anyone. You can believe what you want, yes I am a Ford man and it does pain me to see the local product isn't what it could be. Look maybe you're not understanding what I am trying to get at, I said the local product line up is decent. It has variety, NA 6, T6 and V8. I love the NA I6, i think its a great motor. It is good BUT where it all went wrong is the build quality, very shoddy workmanship. To me i pay 40k+ for a car, I expect it to be decent. I have a BA that I can only describe as being a lemon, fair enough it is my car. A family member has bought a brand new BF 2 XR8, the day it is picked up the following issues were found, Leather on drivers seat unstitched, petrol nozzle misaligned with a broken flap, making it very difficult to fuel up, no paint underneath the doors, i mean this is just on the first day. There have been other nigglies as well. C'mon for 50k car I expect better and realise this it is the 4th gen of the BA too. How much longer do they need to get it right? I hope for the sake of FoA that they get Orion right.

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by RS500

all the GTR's and late model GTT's so far have been rated at the 202Kw and are still able to lap faster at the nurburgring than most porsches

if you mean the R33 GTR it actually wasn't at all stock, it had more boost, the rev limiter taken off, suspension mods and others as well.

[Bossxr8]

The new GTR has been rumoured to sell for around $180-200k. See todays Herald Sun CarsGuide. It will be bloody expensive if they do sell it here. Anyone who thinks someone would compare a HSV or FPV to that is a moron. Nissan have designed it to compete with the 911. :

[jdg]

Completely different class of car designed to serve a completely different purpose. FPV/HSV offer family sized sedans/gt's which are quick in a strait line. GTR is a total performance package...but then again, it seems to be almost twice the price of an FPV/HSV.