acelleration of xr6 compared to NA skyline, supra, soarer

[DivHunter]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Why don't you pull your bloody head in mate!!

This is an open forum and I haven't attcked you so what is your problem??

My comments about Japanese imports comes from experience having owned a grey import motorcycle and having mates who have been burnt through ownership of Japanese imports.

I am simply trying to save other people from being burnt. The attraction of the Falcon is the bang for your buck value. Sure you can spend a fortune on an import and spend a fortune on insurance and a fortune on getting parts from Japan or....you can get a bread and butter Falcon and easily modify it to be competitive with the Japs and still have enough money for your other hobbies like motorcycling and boating.

Ford TE-50's and XR6 Turbos are around 20 grand now that's bloody good value. TX-3's are only a few grand and are bloody quick and most parts are easily sourced.

I'm speaking from experience and it's nothing to do with not liking Japanese cars. I am in fact a diehard buyer of Suzuki and Kawasaki motorcycles and a big fan of Mazda. From my viewpoint buying a Falcon or Commodore just makes so much sense.

Sorry for stating my opinion @$$hole

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Anyway this thread isn't really worth contributing to as no one in their right mind considers buying a NA skyline or supra.

[peter_vod69]

Originally Posted by sleekism

<SNIP>Because I'm 17 and have no idea, buying a Falcon or Commodore just makes so much sense. <SNIP>

Fixed.

[DivHunter]

Could he even drive a Soarer, twin-turbo or V8 there's no NA 6 variant iirc.

[fairBA]

ELs are now 10 years old... and a lot of them do sit in traffic.....

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Sorry for stating my opinion @$$hole

Thats ok, you answered my question.
I await your next nugget of intelligent advice...

[perrys]

Originally Posted by Fairmont99

Could he even drive a Soarer, twin-turbo or V8 there's no NA 6 variant iirc.

from wikipedia,
"[edit] 30 Series Soarer models
JZZ30 - 2.5L 6 cyl twin turbo (1991-1996)
JZZ30 - 2.5L 6 cyl single turbo VVTi (1996-2000)
JZZ31 - 3.0L 6 cyl (US Lexus SC 300) (1992-2000)
UZZ30 - 4.0L 8 cyl (US Lexus SC 400) (1992-2000)
UZZ31 - 4.0L 8 cyl air suspension (1991-1997)
UZZ32 - 4.0L 8 cyl 4ws, active suspension (1991-1996) "

[InSaNeSna1L]

Can't we all just get along......

Anyway to answer the original question....dunno....but I do know a stock 93 model Nissan Maxima inline 6 can beat a vn3.8ltr commo....and keep along side a 4.0lt falcon mid 90s model.

[madmelon]

Here ya go...I use this all the time.Unfortunately no Aussie cars, but most other things are in there (some reason skylines aren't)

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

[perrys]

Spend a few more coins and get the Soarer UZZ31 or UZZ32, they are far superior than the Ford V8s. (No offense)

"The UZZ31 and UZZ32 Soarer models, not sold in the U.S., had more luxury features than the JZZ30 single/twin turbo cars or the JZZ31/SC 300 and UZZ30/SC 400. Features like full leather electrically adjustable seating with seat heaters and memory systems, electrically adjusted auto-retracting steering, and ultrasonic de-misters in the wing mirrors helped distinguish these cars from their sportier versions and from their German competition. The UZZ31 and UZZ32 models were also available with an "EMV" (Electro Multi Vision) package which provided a screen with television, navigation (Japan only), diagnostics, car computer and touch control of all functions in the climate air conditioning system and of the sophisticated 7-speaker (with subwoofer) audio system with digital signal processing.

The UZZ31 model used an air suspension system that had two settings for both ride height and damper stiffness.

The UZZ32 model was the top of the line 30 series featuring four wheel steering and a complex hydraulic computer- controlled active suspension system. This did away with conventional springs and anti-roll (stabiliser) bars in favour of hydraulic struts controlled by sensors that detected cornering, acceleration and braking forces. The system worked well and gave an unusually controlled yet smooth ride with no body roll, but the weight penalty of the system affected straight-line performance somewhat, and the car was costly to produce. As a result, only 873 UZZ32's were made and are now collectors items in the UK and Australia.'

[sleekism]

A Skyline GTS-T is faster than all of them, but not by as much as certain Nissan fanboys would have you believe, and the interior is shitty. The Supra will outhandle the others all by a long shot (but since you're only in year 10, who really cares LOLZ), The Soarer will outcruise them and the Falcon will not really do anything (performance-wise) better, besides maybe single spinner burnouts.

As for Imports "all BEIN peesses of sh** lolz cuase dey all sit in da trafik" well, you obviously haven't had a good look have you? Let alone driven any. :[/QUOTE]

If all your going to do is bag out Falcons then why are you here??

FYI I have been around many imports, driven many and been involved with the building of an RX7.

There are two types of ricer owners:
1)General enthusiasts who use them for competition.
2)Fast and the Furious wannabes who spend all their McDonalds wages on their fully sick R30 Skyline.

My guess is you fall under category two.

If you think a Soarer is good for cruising than your obviously an idiot. The only Soarers I see around are the ones circling the highschools. A better cruising car would be a BMW or an old school V8.

Really I don't know why you bother posting here and your personal attacks don't work because I know your probably some acne faced 16 year old who thinks his mums Kia Rio is a "fully sick" V8 killa.

[perrys]

Cruising? Maybe we should learn a bit more about Toyota's UZ V8s.

"
The all-alloy 1UZ-FE debuted in 1989 in the first generation Lexus LS 400/Toyota Celsior with an output of 191 kW (256 hp) and torque of 353 N·m (260 ft·lbf). The engine was progressively released in a number of other models across the Toyota/Lexus range and proved to be a strong, reliable and smooth powerplant with features such as 6-bolt main bearings and belt-driven quad-camshafts.
Initially running 10:1 compression, the engine was slightly revised in 1995 with lighter conrods and pistons and an increased compression ratio to 10.4:1 resulting in peak power of 195kw and torque of 363nm.

In 1997, Toyota's VVT-i variable valve timing technology was introduced along with a further CR increase to 10.5:1 bumping power and torque to 216 kW (290 hp) and 407 N·m (300 ft·lbf).

The 1UZ-FE was voted to the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1998 through 2000.
"

More knowledge won't hurt, will it?

[broken_suave]

IMO for a young man, (I'm asuming you're young, apologies if im wrong) the smartest choice would be the Falcon for a few simple reasons:

The Falcon is cheaper to insure

Parts are cheaper and readily available

The Falcon would attract less of the the blue fuzz, although the big P doesnt help

The Falcon can more than meet power demands for a younger driver

The Falcon is worlds more versatile (Towing, travelling, cruising with friends, Back seat shinanigans, I mean, can you imagine parking somewhere quiet with your girl and trying to have some quality time in curled up bucket seats and tiny rear benches?)

I also find the Falcons to be more comfortable. Now, I know there will be people up in arms over simple comments like that, but put simply; Skylines (and others) are meant to go fast, so they have hip hugging seats that hold you firmly into place, so yes, they're still comfy, but you're confined. The Falcon however holds onto your bum, yet theres room to move around, to assume your own more comfortable position, to lounge in.

To a lesser extent The Falcon is also cheaper to service.

Its the way I would go, The XR6 is a hot looking car, its powerful and its versatile. It ticks all the boxes in my book.

[gazza750]

Originally Posted by fairBA

you sure the gts-t is only had 184? which year? happy to be corrected though.
either way is got more power and less weight than the EL.

Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-t (1993-1998)




• Transmission:


5 Spd Manual / 4 Spd Auto

• Weight:


1370 kg

• Engine:


RB25DET (2.5L, Straight 6)

• Power:


184 kW

• Torque:


294 Nm

• 0-100 time:


6.2 secs

• Quarter mile:


14.4 secs

• Factory Extras:


- Power Steering
- Power Windows
- Air Conditioning
- ABS brakes
- SRS Airbag

http://www.imports101.com.au/reviews.php?id=8

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by perrys

The 1UZ-FE was voted to the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1998 through 2000.
"

More knowledge won't hurt, will it?

Oh the Wards list hey?? Twice??

You mean like how the Ford Modular V8 (found under the bonnet of the "inferior" BA/BF Falcon) has been on the list NINE times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

More knowledge won't hurt, will it :

[Hybrid34]

well my old Xr6 Auto kicked the $h!!T outta a non-turbo r-33, n a non tubro r31,
but what FairBA said is 110% correct, your comparing two totally different cars...your comparing oranges with apples.....like a diesil turbo X5 BmW with an old school toyota landcruiser..
lets compare apples with apples.... commos n falcons

[XR8Master]

Im surprised by a few of the posts in this thread which condone the view that the falcon is simply a old family man's car.

Sure, a R33 can do 14 second 1/4 miles stock, many others have heightened reputations and somehow have the Aura of a 600hp V8 supercar, I think people forgot that cars that are turbocharged stock are easier/cheaper to mod... Did someone say VL ?

I would like to point out though that unlike our 900cc import demigod's the 6 cylinder Falcon has a 4 litre OHC longstroke engine with a Cast Iron block, Forcefeed it to the tune of 14 PSI and then see where it sits on the preformance pendulum.

[gazza750]

to get back onto topic
buy a ford its cheaper for parts and to buy and lets face it any car over 10 years old gonna have thing either worn out or wearing out and for a young person it is by far the best option for any young person

[TEaaron]

Steffo?

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by gazza750

to get back onto topic
buy a ford its cheaper for parts and to buy and lets face it any car over 10 years old gonna have thing either worn out or wearing out and for a young person it is by far the best option for any young person

Agreed,

This may be a Ford zforum so there is obvious bias but a Falcon offers great bang for your buck especially considering how cheap late model XR6 Turbos and XR8's are getting.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by TEaaron

Steffo?

He seems to be MIA so i'll jump in for him.

toyotas are crap, buy a golf, toyotas are crap.

[TKFRD-6]

I have a manual ELXR6 and my mates non turbo supra (manual) is definatly not quiker then my car just thought id let use know that =).

[TKFRD-6]

and has for non turbo skylines, they are buckets of , Soarers are boats.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by TUFEL-6

and has for non turbo skylines, they are buckets of , Soarers are boats.

f@rrk the ricers :

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by TUFEL-6

I have a manual ELXR6 and my mates non turbo supra (manual) is definatly not quiker then my car just thought id let use know that =).

Your EL will do a quarter in under 15 sec??? Is it stock?

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by ken2903

Your EL will do a quarter in under 15 sec??? Is it stock?

Mate my overweight Fairmont with competition exhaust and intake has just nudged into the 14's.

See if I can dig up the slip.

Cheers!

[beepbeep]

damn sleekism, cant you get it in your thick head! stop comparing family cars to a sports car. your 17 year old mates with the so called "crappy" rice cars obviously havent had them checked before they bought it as they were too excited to thrash the living crap out of them because they wanted to be the wanna be fast and the furious crew. and then when something goes wrong, they cant afford to get them fixed on their maccas wages.
do some more research if the forum members havent helped you enough, or is research too much for you and just want to see the forum members bicker between them?

[blue sleeper]

Hmm boat huh? I'd take a boat that get's close to 12's for ten grand including the car but each to their own huh....

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by broken_suave

IMO for a young man, (I'm asuming you're young, apologies if im wrong) the smartest choice would be the Falcon for a few simple reasons:

The Falcon is cheaper to insure

Parts are cheaper and readily available

The Falcon would attract less of the the blue fuzz, although the big P doesnt help

The Falcon can more than meet power demands for a younger driver

The Falcon is worlds more versatile (Towing, travelling, cruising with friends, Back seat shinanigans, I mean, can you imagine parking somewhere quiet with your girl and trying to have some quality time in curled up bucket seats and tiny rear benches?)

I also find the Falcons to be more comfortable. Now, I know there will be people up in arms over simple comments like that, but put simply; Skylines (and others) are meant to go fast, so they have hip hugging seats that hold you firmly into place, so yes, they're still comfy, but you're confined. The Falcon however holds onto your bum, yet theres room to move around, to assume your own more comfortable position, to lounge in.

To a lesser extent The Falcon is also cheaper to service.

Its the way I would go, The XR6 is a hot looking car, its powerful and its versatile. It ticks all the boxes in my book.

HEAR, HEAR..

[paule11]

Originally Posted by streetracer23

Hi
I was wondering does anybody know a site which gives you details about the car's specs. Im after specifically 0-100 times of the following vehicles.

Ford probe
non-turbo toyota supra
falcon XR6 EL/EF (high 14s?)
skyline gts r33 (the non trubo one)
lexus sc300/toyota soarer (the NA 3.0 straight 6 engine).

i ask this basically because im about to buy a EL xr6 relatively soon and while i kno the tt supra or gts-t skyline would have faster accelleration im wondering how it would stack up against the non turbo variants which I still haven't completely eliminated from my list of possibilities.

Also are there any other 6 cylinder NA similar age and price cars that I may be missing? (forget commodore, and rare cars in australia like the a31 cefiro)

Thanks for your help.

A couple of blokes at work had very fast skylines I liked the looks of them but when I sat in the drivers seats there wasnt enough rooom for someone my height and size.
When I look at a car thats the first thing sit in it if its cramped uncomfortable walk away.
You will be a lot happier with a car thats comfortable and a half a second slower to 100km than something thats designed for a 5 foot 2 Japanese that you feel like a sardine in.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by TUFEL-6

I have a manual ELXR6 and my mates non turbo supra (manual) is definatly not quiker then my car just thought id let use know that =).

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in a straight line,

My BA xt (intake, 4495's, cat back, 5 speed and LSD) >
> my mates NA supra (5 speed and LSD)
> his EL gli (5 speed, cam, intake, 4495's and cat back).


He owns both cars and would tell you the same thing. Actually he would say that his supra is faster than my ba, which is debatable, but its definitely faster than his el.
For the record, once these cars get moving the supra will kill them, the falcons are as aerodynamic as bricks and i won't even bother comparing their cornering abilities.



To the original poster, unless everywhere you want to go is 400m away on a dead straight, level road i wouldn't be too concerned with quarter mile times and such. If your on your P's (or will be when you get your license back) and can't get a V8 or turbo, you aren't going to notice a huge difference in straight line speed anyway.

If you want something different, relatively speaking, get a supra or skyline etc..., if you want something cheaper, comfy, and easier get the falcon. If i was your age and coming off a suspension, i'd definitely get the falcon.

As others have said, it isn't really fair to compare a falcon with the other cars. Also if it was my 10K to spend i would have a hard time finding a supra or soarer that i was happy with for that. I'm not agreeing with sleekism's opinion that imports are all crap, just that from what i've seen, the decent ones are selling for more than your budget.